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I don't disagree that it should have been dealt with at the time, but if I was getting slammed by anecdotal accounts from "sources" by the media, to the extent that it was affecting my bottom line, I'd be getting on the front foot about it. The club needs to get on the phone to Gil, the AFLPA, Caro and McClure and sort this sh*t out. Even bloody Essendon arent still being held to ransom by the media. Where's the ongoing reporting of the ill effects of that drug program?
I smell a bloody rat in all of this. It is not normal behaviour for a major organisation to continually let all this stuff go through to the keeper.
The other thing that puzzles me is the use of a talking stick. It is a pretty stock standard group work technique used in schools and based, from my understanding, in native American Indian culture. It is even detailed in the Queensland Curriculum with an indigenous Australian perspective. As a non indigenous Australian, I struggle to appreciate the intricacies of indigenous culture but it is my understanding that with the vast number of different groups, each has differences in how traditional objects are used. Unfortunately it appears that there was a lack of cultural sensitivity at the time, and while it is NO excuse, in my experience of teaching indigenous students, they can be quiet and not immediately speak up if offended.
Just hope the investigation isn't finalised until after the draftI doubt that. Under the act the workplace is not limited in any way geographically. If you think you can interpret the below in any other way I'd like to hear your reasonings.
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Yeah jenny61_99 so misleading he is quoted as saying "a lot worse camps".he didn't say that at all.
Marshall said on AA this morning it is out if our State's jurisdiction as it was ran out if state by a company based out of SA.I doubt that. Under the act the workplace is not limited in any way geographically. If you think you can interpret the below in any other way I'd like to hear your reasonings.
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He sounded quite sheepish in that interview. Hopefully its the end of. Make you so angry that this thing wont just go away. The club need to get some help and find a way to make it right - and move fwd.Marshall said on AA this morning it is out if our State's jurisdiction as it was ran out if state by a company based out of SA.
He probably hasn't read that though.
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He sounded quite sheepish in that interview. Hopefully its the end of. Make you so angry that this thing wont just go away. The club need to get some help and find a way to make it right - and move fwd.
It‘s almost funny just how wrong the club has been on every decision they‘ve made both on and off field over the last few years... the Club needs to do a collective George Costanza. Whenever faced with a decision, do the complete opposite of what your instincts tell you to do. We will be Premiers in no time.I genuinely think it's just gross incompetence.
With every hit we take (and we've had plenty in the last 2-3 years), I'm convinced more and more that one of our biggest failings has been in public relations and communications management.
Some of the decisions we've made around messaging and communications in regards to so many things - not least of which relating to the camp - just beggar belief. We've stayed silent when we absolutely should have been controlling the narrative, and we've talked when we should have just stfu.
Don't get me wrong, there's issue in most corners if or club at the moment. But the perception and impact of these things could have been much different if we just had a semblance of a professional and disciplined comms and PR framework in place to manage them.
Even now, given the club's brand is probably at it's lowest point in our history, I'm astounded we haven't engaged a top flight agency to come in and do some hardcore damage control.
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So what did he say?he didn't say that at all.
As mentioned above, the problem is we don't say anything, we just let the media bash away. I don't know where this directive of shutting up shop came from (did it start when Fagan arrived?), but it's not working anymore.
We all loved it a first not giving Rucci et al anything, but over time, media have just decided to make up their own agenda, due to our lack of communication.
Then when we try, we wheel out Burton and Pyke, in one of the worst excuses for a presser i've seen. That backfires, so we shut up shop again.
How about just getting someone that is competent out in front of the mic?
I was under the impression that SafeWork SA were only able to investigate incidents that took place in SA, which would make sense.I doubt that. Under the act the workplace is not limited in any way geographically. If you think you can interpret the below in any other way I'd like to hear your reasonings.
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I genuinely think it's just gross incompetence.
With every hit we take (and we've had plenty in the last 2-3 years), I'm convinced more and more that one of our biggest failings has been in public relations and communications management.
Some of the decisions we've made around messaging and communications in regards to so many things - not least of which relating to the camp - just beggar belief. We've stayed silent when we absolutely should have been controlling the narrative, and we've talked when we should have just stfu.
Don't get me wrong, there's issue in most corners if or club at the moment. But the perception and impact of these things could have been much different if we just had a semblance of a professional and disciplined comms and PR framework in place to manage them.
Even now, given the club's brand is probably at it's lowest point in our history, I'm astounded we haven't engaged a top flight agency to come in and do some hardcore damage control.
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That would make more sense, I think that would be right.Marshall said on AA this morning it is out if our State's jurisdiction as it was ran out if state by a company based out of SA.
He probably hasn't read that though.
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The Sunday Footy Show talking about it with Mclure.
I think you're absolutely spot on about the PR being completely botched...i know Mclure is public enemy no.1 here, but he also mentions in this video that if the Crows had just been more open and honest when this first came out we wouldn't still be talking about it 3 years later. This is true.
The fact the club has been so secretive and kept denying it was an issue is the reason why journalists like Mclure felt the need to start digging and no doubt certain players felt aggrieved that the club wasn't admitting any fault which would motivate them to leak it to the press...for some form of justice since the club just ignores their concerns internally.
I know some here hate him for seeming to have an agenda against AFC with McGovern & the camp, but part of the media's role IS to dissect big events like this (i mean it's one of the main reasons AFC has gone from a GF to bottom of the ladder) and to expose cover ups. That might be a bit of a strong phrase but it's essentially what AFC's leaders tried to do. They constantly denied it was an issue to the media, seemingly denied it was an issue to their own players since they were going to stick with Collective Minds initially (remember the 100 point thumping to Melbourne when news broke AFC were thinking of continuing with CM?), their answer to the concerns from the indigenous players was simply to remove them from the program, Burton apparently telling the players the club signed NDA's on their behalf so they couldn't talk about the camp, players being instructed not to tell teammates from other groups what happened to them, intentionally leaving out the doctor and welfare people at the club, telling unqualified third parties confidential and sensitive info about the players to use against them...
This sh*t should be exposed and arguably it's a good thing for AFC that Mclure is doing this. Keep in mind that if it wasn't for pressure from the media, guys like Burton/Pyke/Campo would probably be still at the club. The club only acted eventually because they were forced too under severe criticism from the media - which then of course spilled to supporters and members. Hopefully the more details come out, the more likely guys like Chapman & Roo get moved on for the betterment of the club.
Those running our club are very similar to the CCP and the clubs members/supporters are very similar to the Chinese people. There's * all either can do about a corrupt leadership. The Afl wants our money but have never genuunely wanted a strong Afc onfield. We are seen by them as an idiot club run by fools. Afl couldn't care less about us as long as our moronic supporters keep turning up to clap at mediocrity.Why would the club need to improve communications? They've got a large cohort of the most critical supporter group convinced that the camp is a messaging problem.
No, your employer is still responsible for providing a safe workplace when you travel, so that would still sit under SafeWork SA jurisdictionI was under the impression that SafeWork SA were only able to investigate incidents that took place in SA, which would make sense.
Or is is because we are a South Australian entity ??
Even so, I welcome an investigation.
It might have been run by another company, but the players are still AFC employees and working fro AFC at the timeThat would make more sense, I think that would be right.
I'm pretty sure the Premier would know.It might have been run by another company, but the players are still AFC employees and working fro AFC at the time
Yeah thats been my thinking as well. Whilst the AFL has dismissed reopening the camp issue if the State Gov decides to act and finds major issues that might force the AFL's hand. Anyway the concern for me is that the AFL might decide take away our draft picks. On the other side of the ledger if the AFL did decide to reopen then it looks bad for them as it would appear they didnt do due diligence in the first place.Just hope the investigation isn't finalised until after the draft