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Not a great reflection on the Tigers if Campbell wins it again, and Richo and Coghlan finish 2nd and 3rd after only playing half a season each.
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Originally posted by moomba
In my opinion, the fact that Campbell will go down in history as one of Richmonds most decorated players is a sad indictment on the club.
Moomba
Originally posted by sandeano
Well, you know what they say about opinions...
Originally posted by moomba
You're happy to have Wayne Campbell as a four time b&f at your club?
Moomba
Originally posted by Richmondfan#1
To the Campbell baggers, is he really THAT bad?
Originally posted by sandeano
Yes, he won one less, but Matthew Larkin picked up 3 at North and he would have to rate among the most useless club captains of all time.
But of course you have a serial sex offender co-leading your B&F count...and no, I don't mean Barry Cable.
Originally posted by moomba
Nothing wrong with Matty Larkin. I'd take three of his b&f years over four of Campbells anyday.
Larkin was slower than the Bundoora Tram running through Smith Street during peak hour. And believe me, that's slow.
Do we. Maybe you should check your records. And if you are referring to who I think you are referring to, not only is is not co-leading our B&F count, but I wasn't aware that having an extra marital affair was an offence.
According to the Roos' website...
MOST BEST AND FAIRESTS
4 Noel Teasdale (1963, 1964, 1965, 1966)
4 David Dench (1971, 1976, 1977, 1981)
4 Wayne Carey (1992, 1993, 1996, 1998)
3 Les Foote (1945, 1949, 1950)
3 Allen Aylett (1958, 1959, 1960)
3 Matthew Larkin (1985, 1987, 1988)
My apologies....for some silly reason I thought having the same number of B&Fs as two other players meant you were "co-leading". My mistake. I learn something new everyday. Okay, I stand corrected, he is not a 'serial' sex offender, but was once found guilty of going the big grab and later made left a lot of fans disillusioned, due to his rampant libido.
Besides, no need to be so sensitive, if you are happy with Wayne Campbell as a 4 time B&F of your club then you shouldn't be bothered by other peoples opinions.
Moomba
PS - For what it's worth I'll never be ashamed that Wayne Carey played for and was a three time B&F of my footy club. I am more than happy to reflect on the Carey years and the successes it brought. I hope you are equally happy reflecting on the Campbell years and the Richmond successes that came with it.
Originally posted by sandeano
Larkin was slower than the Bundoora Tram running through Smith Street during peak hour. And believe me, that's slow.
He probably appeared a lot slower than Campbell because he actually stopped to get the ball once every now and then. Pretty easy to look pacy when you are skirting the packs for 95% of your football career.
According to the Roos' website...
MOST BEST AND FAIRESTS
4 Noel Teasdale (1963, 1964, 1965, 1966)
4 David Dench (1971, 1976, 1977, 1981)
4 Wayne Carey (1992, 1993, 1996, 1998)
3 Les Foote (1945, 1949, 1950)
3 Allen Aylett (1958, 1959, 1960)
3 Matthew Larkin (1985, 1987, 1988)
My apologies....for some silly reason I thought having the same number of B&Fs as two other players meant you were "co-leading". My mistake. I learn something new everyday.
You are of course correct, and I apologise. The same website lists Anthony Stevens as the 1998 winner when he was in fact runner up. Good of you to take the time to check for me.
Okay, I stand corrected, he is not a 'serial' sex offender, but was once found guilty of going the big grab and later made left a lot of fans disillusioned, due to his rampant libido.
Such is life. I am sure if there was a competition for good honest decent humanitarians Richmond would win each year. I have a greater interest in the football that our players play, not what they do in their own private lives.
I'll tolerate a guy who has given his best during his time and will be remembered never among the Tige greats, but if at all, as a decent, hardworking player during a lean time.
I am very happy for you.
Conversely Carey will ALWAYS be first remembered as THAT footballer who had THAT affair flushed down the toilet all that 'Shinerboner spirit, stick by your mates during the hard times, love of the jumper, club comes first' crap.
I choose to remember the great things that Wayne Carey did for the club. The premierships, the night premierships, the "four" best and fairests, the many games won off his own boot. By the way the rest of the stuff was there before Carey and as shown this year it will be there long after Carey. You never know, if someone showed a bit of pride in the Tiges jumper in the last 20 years you may be able to throw a football related comeback to me.
Actually, in decades to come the only point that will need clarification will be whether it was Carey or Pagan thqat first sold that ethos down the drain. Then someone will check the records and see that it was Carey first, pagan a few months later.
Oooh, catty. Just for clarification are you talking about the same Carey that Clinton Casey put on the silver service for, so he could become a Tiger. Interesting that out of all this only one of our clubs actually wanted Carey to play for them knowing what he had done.
Good also to know that you're only comeback for what was an innocently made post on the footballing merits of one of your players is to bring up non-football matters. Larkin was a start, but it all went downhill from there.
Moomba
Originally posted by noodle
definatly the best player for the tigers this year.
Originally posted by moomba
He probably appeared a lot slower than Campbell because he actually stopped to get the ball once every now and then. Pretty easy to look pacy when you are skirting the packs for 95% of your football career.
You are of course correct, and I apologise. The same website lists Anthony Stevens as the 1998 winner when he was in fact runner up. Good of you to take the time to check for me.
Such is life. I am sure if there was a competition for good honest decent humanitarians Richmond would win each year. I have a greater interest in the football that our players play, not what they do in their own private lives.
I am very happy for you.
I choose to remember the great things that Wayne Carey did for the club. The premierships, the night premierships, the "four" best and fairests, the many games won off his own boot. By the way the rest of the stuff was there before Carey and as shown this year it will be there long after Carey. You never know, if someone showed a bit of pride in the Tiges jumper in the last 20 years you may be able to throw a football related comeback to me.
Oooh, catty. Just for clarification are you talking about the same Carey that Clinton Casey put on the silver service for, so he could become a Tiger. Interesting that out of all this only one of our clubs actually wanted Carey to play for them knowing what he had done.
Good also to know that you're only comeback for what was an innocently made post on the footballing merits of one of your players is to bring up non-football matters. Larkin was a start, but it all went downhill from there.
Moomba
Originally posted by sandeano
More than likely I did a poor job of articulating my thoughts. But I hope you get my drift.
In my opinion, the fact that Campbell will go down in history as one of Richmonds most decorated players is a sad indictment of club in recent times.
Originally posted by moomba
When your young Tiger goes through his history books he will see that one of your greatest individual players in history (going by B&F's) is Wayne Campbell, and IMO there would be well over a hundred players in your history more deserving.
Moomba
Originally posted by sandeano
Yep...could not agree more.
Out of curiousity (and because I'm too lazy to check) how many B&Fs did Schimma win at North?
Originally posted by wagstaff
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Originally posted by sandeano
Well, if that is the case I think we can see that such an accolade can often be an unreliable indicator of a player's quality (when one reads a club's history in years to come).