Campbell Rose Embarrassed by so called Supporters

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I'm not going to go into detail about the reasons why I haven't renewed. That's between me and the club. I intend renewing this year, by the way.

However, having said that, I think it's bit rich for some to claim that they're embarrassed. Not winning a match in the last seven last year is a BIG reason that many have not renewed. If it's good enough for the club and some supporters to get stuck into supporters, then they should also also accept that they, the team, and football department, were a big part of the problem.

Cam is an amazing bloke. I feel for him. Last year I bought my membership, my son's and another I donated back to the club. One of the reasons I have not this year (so far) is that I"m doing it tough. Yes, I know about the monthly payments ....

Cheers, CK.
Rose and his team have worked their butts off to get the off field into order, the team has only lost one match, yet we have so called supporters out there that won't buy a membership. Don't tell me they can't afford it. They are still turning up to games and paying the entrance fee. So dissapointing to be down on membership numbers from last year. Rose says he is embarrassed by this, to be last on the membership list in the AFL.

If you look at the West Coast game there was over 30,000 there and probably about 1000 West Coast supporters. Brisbane game nearly 40,000 at the G, maybe 5000 Lions supporters.

Come on guys Monday is the cutoff to buy a membership.
 

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Plonker? ME! Sheesh.

If I could only find the bloody link to prove you wrong. Smorgan said last year that as far as fickle members go we are the best in the league. Most clubs have a turn over of around 6,000 where as we are around the 3/4 thousand average. This was stated last year. I think 5,000 haven't signed up again this year which still puts us in the better then average retention rate. What little members we do have are the loyalist, not the sookiest as you claim.
Have another go your rationale is flawed

5K off a lower base is a higher per capita churn ... we have the historically lowest base in the AFL ..We have a lot of sooks
 

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I'm not going to go into detail about the reasons why I haven't renewed. That's between me and the club. I intend renewing this year, by the way.

However, having said that, I think it's bit rich for some to claim that they're embarrassed. Not winning a match in the last seven last year is a BIG reason that many have not renewed. If it's good enough for the club and some supporters to get stuck into supporters, then they should also also accept that they, the team, and football department, were a big part of the problem.

Cam is an amazing bloke. I feel for him. Last year I bought my membership, my son's and another I donated back to the club. One of the reasons I have not this year (so far) is that I"m doing it tough. Yes, I know about the monthly payments ....

Cheers, CK.
This really annoys me. We have won 11 from 13 and its only loss was by three points. What more do people want?

True supporters stick by their club through thick and thin and if people still won't renew their membership because of last year's finish then they can get nicked as far as I'm concerned.
 

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There always seems to be a one year lag effect between your on field performance and membership figures. For instance, if you have a crap year then your next years membership will take a tumble, whilst on the other hand if you have a great year, your next years membership should go through the roof. Not sure why this is the case but it is.

That being said, we should see the benefit of our remarkable 2008 performance(touch wood we keep it going) with our 2009 membership figures.

I just had a look at Geelong's membership figures as case in point. They had a crap 2006 and their 2007 membership was 30,000. In 2007 they won the premiership and their 2008 figure so far is 38,000 and climbing.
 

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Not being a trouble maker but didn't you get your membership for your birhday Boydsno1?


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well im picking up my membership next week for mah b'day so you can add one more
thats the plan. am still waiting for my mother to go with me to the club. told her monday is the latest.
 

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I'm not going to go into detail about the reasons why I haven't renewed. That's between me and the club. I intend renewing this year, by the way.

However, having said that, I think it's bit rich for some to claim that they're embarrassed. Not winning a match in the last seven last year is a BIG reason that many have not renewed. If it's good enough for the club and some supporters to get stuck into supporters, then they should also also accept that they, the team, and football department, were a big part of the problem.

Cam is an amazing bloke. I feel for him. Last year I bought my membership, my son's and another I donated back to the club. One of the reasons I have not this year (so far) is that I"m doing it tough. Yes, I know about the monthly payments ....

Cheers, CK.
A membership is not just a ticket to a game its being part of the bulldog community like Big Footy, or talking to your mates, family etc about the games, watching them on TV at home or a pub. Buying a membership shows that you are part of that community and you support the team and the club.

For those that are financial, its not a lot of money to part with and to say you are part of the Club and part of the Bulldogs community, something you can be proud of.
 

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We would be far better off asking how our long term strategy to develop future members is going? Do we have targeted strategies for different areas and is it yielding results? Like is Darwin producing huge increases in members? Does having players visit schools actually result in new members? I'd like to see figures to show that what we are doing for the long term is actually working....and at a rate that is faster than our competitors.

Another review is needed on HOW to grow our supporter base....and to see which areas have stagnant growth and which areas we can grow the fastest. Berating members who have not re-joined is not the answer to our long term problems.
Post of the thread. Of course a proportion of our supporters will be casual members and johnny come latelys. This is the case in every club. What we need to do is grow our raw support and then the numbers of people who are represented by our dedicated membership-buying % will grow.

It will take a long time to come to fruition. But the club better be working their @ss off trying to find new and innovative ways to grow support. Because to be frank, our club's survival depends on it. In 5-10 years we'll be needing 35,000 members to survive. In LEAN years. You can count on it.

Whingeing about sooks won't make that happen. The Bulldogs continuing to innovate will.
 

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I think Campbell has the right strategy, overall. If, though, people think that admonishing those who have not joined up (".. go and get nicked") is theway to boost membership then you can say goodbye to your (and my) club.

I've been a member for longer than most of you have been alive. I've fallen on tough times, yet found it within me to donate memberships. How dare you suggest I "go and get nicked".

I'll buy a membership this year, and next, and the year after. All I was suggesting that it is human nature to blame others for our misfortune. Some supporters will fall off, some will join because of this year's success. Some, like me, find it tough. Come and have a beer with me, and if you think I'm not a sook then YOU can buy my membership, and I'll donate mine to the club.
 

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I would of thought we could of picked up a few bandwagoners this season, seems they've been burnt a few times, why have a membership cut off anyway, we get to the finals and the bandwagon might be in full swing.
 

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Rose should only be embarrased if it's his fault, we've always been on the lower end of the scale of memberships, We will continue to build next year, we've conolidated at the least. I would hope that a smart man like Cam wouldn't budget for more than last years amount.
 

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Yeah, that's another pack of smokes a month people will be missing out on!!!:D
It always amazes me when you see a report on TV how hard up a family is there is always someone who is smoking. They can't afford to put food on the table but they can afford cigarettes.
 
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More members is good for the club but our poor stadium deal is a bigger issue. A lot of people are forced to live week to week and they go to the footy if/when they can afford it. These people feel they are supporting their club by going to the footy a few times a year but the stadium deal doesnt allow the club to benefit the way they should. I would prefer to see home games at western oval and a profit for the club than playing at TD.
 

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More members is good for the club but our poor stadium deal is a bigger issue. A lot of people are forced to live week to week and they go to the footy if/when they can afford it. These people feel they are supporting their club by going to the footy a few times a year but the stadium deal doesnt allow the club to benefit the way they should. I would prefer to see home games at western oval and a profit for the club than playing at TD.
I agree. Management should consider playing two or three games at the Whitten Oval against the interstate sides (i.e. Fremantle and Port Adelaide). It could be dubbed "family day" or "community day" or the like. It would bring a lot of people back who might not otherwise attend the game.

It would be fair to say that an attendance of 20,000+ would generate a healthy profit (although one would have to consider the expenses associated with preparing the ground, lack of corporate and seating facilities etc).
 
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Look I don't want to cause trouble however it is very poor form for people to comment on how people should live their lives which is effectivley whats going on here. If a person chooses buy a membership it is their choice, if a person decides that they can't afford to by a membership due to financial restrictions its their choice.

Though it may only cost a small amount of money in the pay by month method their are some people out there that just can't afford that amount because they are living so close to the edge it isn't funny. I see this day in and day out as I work at a bank and see people bleeding because they have no money in theor account because their pay was delayed and they have sent their kids to school without any lunch and its not an isolated incident as I have a freind who is a teacher at a school in the west and the school has to provide some children with lunches as their parents sent thier kids there with nothing to eat because they are broke. Also I am not saying that everyone is in this position but people are doing it tough.

Yes it may only cost a small amount to have a membership but when you factor in the cost of parking, petrol or even a train ticket your probably looking at spending at least $30 a match. so that small figure for a membership jumps significantly for some people. Now I am lucky enough to be able to have a membership this year and I even upgraded to a higher level then normal but for people to take the moral high ground just because they have a membership over someone that doesn't because of financial restraints is just bloody rude and insulting.
 

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I agree. Management should consider playing two or three games at the Whitten Oval against the interstate sides (i.e. Fremantle and Port Adelaide). It could be dubbed "family day" or "community day" or the like. It would bring a lot of people back who might not otherwise attend the game.

It would be fair to say that an attendance of 20,000+ would generate a healthy profit (although one would have to consider the expenses associated with preparing the ground, lack of corporate and seating facilities etc).
I would love to see games played at Whitten Oval as well but I dont think the ground is up to the new, space age standards required of the AFL.

I could be wrong but cant see it happening.
 

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I always find this amazing.

People whinge about not being able to afford stuff, yet smoke two packs of cigarettes a week, averaging out to about $11 a packet, or $22 a week, or $88 a month, or roughly $1,100 a year.

Why would you do that for something that doesn't give you any apparent benefit?

Instead spend it on something worthwhile that isn't slowly killing you, like a membership, or a trip somewhere, or an instrument, or a night out (maybe a couple of nights out).
Perhaps none of the people who haven't bought a membership due to financial hardships are smokers.
 
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Perhaps none of the people who haven't bought a membership due to financial hardships are smokers.
Not likely that all of them are not smokers. Not likely that all of them don't eat take away. Not likley that all of drink too much. Not likely that all of them are not able to reduce spending in another area to afford the 3/4 bucks per week.

Prehaps you are being silly to suggest none of them are smokers!!
 

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Contact the club, read your bulldog MAg, listen to talk back, show up to an AGM read a newspaper its all out there
Where is this bloody research your talking about ??????

Stuffed if I can find it ??

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p5....David Smorgon
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Not likely that all of them are not smokers. Not likely that all of them don't eat take away. Not likley that all of drink too much. Not likely that all of them are not able to reduce spending in another area to afford the 3/4 bucks per week.

Prehaps you are being silly to suggest none of them are smokers!!
Obviously there are a few in each boat but really we are only down 1,000 members on last year and considering that most of them were charity memberships from other clubs I wouldn't be too disenchanted with our membership numbers.

1 thing the club can do better is explain the memberships available.

Using Stefoid as an example. He has said he is going to 4 games this year. Saints, Tigers, Pies, Blues. 3 of these are home games (or could be - Saints home and away)

He could get the Family Interstate/Country ticket for $200. I was buying this (Adult not Family) when I was in Japan but had it sent to my address in Australia and the club had no idea I was not in Melbourne.

Would this not be better value for a family who are planning to go to 3-4 matches per year?

The multi 3 game package is a blatent rip off and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
 

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i think tht we are down on memberships this year for a simple reason actually

2 years ago, the footy show and other media outlets went on this plea to support the dogs and for other club's members to buy a 2nd membership as we were struggeling financially .. and because the dogs are everyones 2nd favourite team, many opposition supporters got a dogs membership, thus , boosting ours to over 28 thousand last year

however, at the start of this year, north melbourne were the team that the media said were struggeling and about the merge, so everyone has felt sorry for North and bought a 2nd membershio etc - and thats why their membership is over 33 thousand

i think you will find that norths membership will fall next year as its inflated at the moment

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Obviously there are a few in each boat but really we are only down 1,000 members on last year and considering that most of them were charity memberships from other clubs I wouldn't be too disenchanted with our membership numbers.

1 thing the club can do better is explain the memberships available.

Using Stefoid as an example. He has said he is going to 4 games this year. Saints, Tigers, Pies, Blues. 3 of these are home games (or could be - Saints home and away)

He could get the Family Interstate/Country ticket for $200. I was buying this (Adult not Family) when I was in Japan but had it sent to my address in Australia and the club had no idea I was not in Melbourne.

Would this not be better value for a family who are planning to go to 3-4 matches per year?

The multi 3 game package is a blatent rip off and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
How much is the adult interstate one (my family not interested). Actually I didnt know / consider that option.

The thing about only $X a week for the membership is that you arent trying to save only $X a week, youre trying to save say, $500 a month so that you can continue to pay your mortgage and not get deeper into debt on your credit card every month to pay for everyday living expenses. So you look at a long list of non-neccessities, and you just keep cutting back until you have cut enough. Cambell Rose would be all to well familliar with this process at the dogs.
 
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