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- Sep 13, 2000
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Fair call. If it was my club [ and you picked the same player as Port did with the pick you gave them] I'm taking a 21 year old Duursma and 24 year old Burton over a 28 year old Wingard in a heartbeat. Of course when you did the trade you didn't expect to miss finals 3 years running and consecutive bottom 6 finishes . You thought [ and I don't just mean the club] but the vast bulk of supporters as well that you would be contending. In hindsight, a bad mis-read of the list . And no you weren't the first and will not be the last club to do this.
And yep, Burton when I've seen him is more than handy , but if you looked at some of the Hawk postings 3-4 years ago, he was going to be a superstar. Scrimshaw is a good player . Like him, and imagine most Hawk supporters would to - and why not. I'll try and put this in perspective. We picked up Callum Wilkie now 25 as a mature age rookie. Hasn't missed a game in 3 years , now in the leadership group, Think 4th and 7th in last two b and f counts. Has put Reiwoldt , Gunston even Franklin when he had to play full back last year out of business. Terrific player for us. Similar type to Scrimshaw as the 6'3 creative or lock down back flanker. Couple of years older than Scrimshaw - played 60 games to 50 games. Wilkie's career has been better to date Some Saints fans may disagree but I don't think Wilkie is a superstar or a star. One of the first picked mind you. Bloody dependable and has defeated opponents far more talented than himself.
For the next 3-4 years if he could mantain his last 3 year standard I would be chuffed. But if the club is going to contend .it's the Max King's. Jayde Gresham's, Hunter Clarke's . Rowan Marshall's who need to join Steele as bona-fide A graders.
I remember Clarko describing Harry Morrison and Jarman Impey as potential A graders a couple of years ago. Well he was the coach , so you would expect him to pump up his players. I do think Hawk fans over recent years have tended to over-rate the talent on the list. [ like the club did] I think Burton was very much an example. I'd be interested who you think are potential A graders on the list . IMO the Sants have one - Jack Steele over the past 2 seasons . And that probably explains why we have been stuck in the middle band of sides, over the past 2 seasons.
That’s my take. Hawks lost three champion movers if not full time mids after 2016. Trading in better than average (who still have a few years to finish their reputation) as few years younger but not raw balanced up the list which was still quite balanced for better than average players at each end.
I now see a list which is quite well balanced age and position wise but lacking enough game changers like you say. If things go well from here the recent draftees can have the luxury of honing their craft in the reserves, or make the seniors if they warrant it. Setting up competition for spots too.
Why wouldn’t hawthorn expect to over achieve in finals? 1991 2001 and 2008 are probably some of the weakest finals sides ever from hawthorn but they hit 2 flags and a prelim. Also played but rarely won finals 1992 1993 1994 1996 2000
plenty of teams would take 2 flags 18 years apart in an 18 team comp, asterisks and all
Cyril not leaving, Mitchell and Sicily not missing a season each, one or two good free agents and who knows. We now know it wasn’t to be but wouldn’t it havebeen derelict not to try?
we could have done without the vickery, Patton and Scully issues there’s probably been as many others taking up list spots who were less high profile, indeed there were a few just before and after the threepeat.