Can Hawthorn succeed while ignoring the elite end of the draft? - Part 2

[Scotland]

The rebuild ladder: Where does your club sit?

Which club has taken the most first and second-round picks over the past six years

www.afl.com.au

First and second-round picks taken

CLUB	2015	2016	2017	2018	2019	2020	TOTAL
GWS	3	4	3	5	2	3	20
Brisbane	3	4	3	4	3	1	18
Gold Coast	3	4	1	4	4	1	17
Adelaide	2	1	1	3	4	5	16
North Melbourne	3	3	2	1	3	4	16
Carlton	4	2	3	2	2	2	15
Essendon	4	3	0	1	2	4	14
Fremantle	2	3	2	2	3	2	14
Sydney	1	2	2	2	4	3	14
Melbourne	2	0	3	2	3	3	13
Port Adelaide	1	4	0	3	4	1	13
Collingwood	1	2	1	2	1	5	12
Richmond	1	1	4	2	3	1	12
West Coast	2	2	4	4	0	0	12
Western Bulldogs	3	2	2	3	1	1	12
Geelong	0	2	3	1	3	2	11
St Kilda	1	2	3	2	0	1	9
Hawthorn	2	0	0	0	2	3	7

Gives a reality how far back Hawthorn are starting from, particularly compared to other rebuilding sides Adelaide & North.

This is kind of a nothing table because number of picks doesn't correlate to number of good players still on the list.

Hawthorn are last on 7, but the 2 from 2015 are no longer there so really it's 5. But you'd have to offset that against Scrimshaw (2016) so it's 6. And most of them haven't even played yet.

Geelong drafted Kelly and Fogarty who are gone. We used 12 and 11 are still there (inc. Venables who probably won't play again). Etc.

 

[WWSD]

How about that Duke Newcombe kid.

 

[Psicosis]

How about that Duke Newcombe kid.

Good win.

Personally, that win had nothing to do with talent though. Hard work, desperation & excellent coaching.

The question marks still remain for mine & they’re gonna be the most fascinating club this offseason.

Ps thanks for Jason Horne

 

[Slysh]

Good win.

Personally, that win had nothing to do with talent though. Hard work, desperation & excellent coaching.

The question marks still remain for mine & they’re gonna be the most fascinating club this offseason.

Ps thanks for Jason Horne

Meh Horne looks great but history suggests he won’t be the best from the Draft even if he goes 1

 

[xmarksthespot]

Good win.

Personally, that win had nothing to do with talent though. Hard work, desperation & excellent coaching.

The question marks still remain for mine & they’re gonna be the most fascinating club this offseason.

Ps thanks for Jason Horne

Christ almighty. Sometimes it's ok to admit a win is a win. There was enough from the youngsters tonight to see where the team is heading. Is it there yet? No. Do we need more talent from the 'elite end' of the draft? in my opinion, yes.

Pouring over every win from now on probably isn't going to move the needle from the above. Time to close this thread I think.

 

[WWSD]

Good win.

Personally, that win had nothing to do with talent though. Hard work, desperation & excellent coaching.

The question marks still remain for mine & they’re gonna be the most fascinating club this offseason.

Ps thanks for Jason Horne

Thanks for Grainger-Barras.

 

[HeHateMe]

How about that Duke Newcombe kid.

I like the elite end of the Mid Season Draft!!!

 

[threesixpio]

Can still mathematically get pick one

 

[hk89]

How about that Duke Newcombe kid.

14 tackles! I reckon that might almost be more than the entire Sydney midfield back in the 2014 grand final.

Our side today had an average age 6 months younger than Sydney's (despite Burgoyne being out there). Reckon we have a pretty decent base to build on. Way better than what many on this thread have suggested. More holes than many above us, which is why it is only our third win for the year, but nothing a couple of years of decent picks at the pointy end of the draft can't fix - alongside a couple more years of development into our 22 and under brigade (9 of who were out on the park today).

 

[hawkman]

Can still mathematically get pick one

Can also mathematically still win the flag

 

[Cursed Cat]

Christ almighty. Sometimes it's ok to admit a win is a win. There was enough from the youngsters tonight to see where the team is heading. Is it there yet? No. Do we need more talent from the 'elite end' of the draft? in my opinion, yes.

Pouring over every win from now on probably isn't going to move the needle from the above. Time to close this thread I think.

seconded, after that concession.

 

[Beerfish]

Christ almighty. Sometimes it's ok to admit a win is a win. There was enough from the youngsters tonight to see where the team is heading. Is it there yet? No. Do we need more talent from the 'elite end' of the draft? in my opinion, yes.

Pouring over every win from now on probably isn't going to move the needle from the above. Time to close this thread I think.

 

[WWSD]

The answer is still no.

No an in he won’t make it, or no as in Hawthorn can’t succeed without going to the draft?

 

[Beerfish]

No an in he won’t make it, or no as in Hawthorn can’t succeed without going to the draft?

Yes.

 

[WWSD]

Yes.

I already came to that realisation about halfway last year.

 

[Gavin Excell]

A good job interview that for Clarkson

 

[WWSD]

A good job interview that for Clarkson

He’s not leaving Hawthorn to go to Collingwood who are also in the midst of a rebuild. It makes no sense.

 

[HairyO]

He’s not leaving Hawthorn to go to Collingwood who are also in the midst of a rebuild. It makes no sense.

Collingwood will have 1 draft pick in the next 2 years. Daicos.

We have at least 3 picks this year alone.

Not sure if you can rebuild with no new players.

 

[sydney_gws]

Collingwood will have 1 draft pick in the next 2 years. Daicos.

We have at least 3 picks this year alone.

Not sure if you can rebuild with no new players.

Also if daicos has a first year as good as say joel selwood or Chris Judd, he might lift them up to finish 13th rather than 16th, getting them say pick 6 rather than pick 3 where the elite talent usually is.

 

[Great8]

Collingwood will have 1 draft pick in the next 2 years. Daicos.

We have at least 3 picks this year alone.

Not sure if you can rebuild with no new players.

Yeah, he ain’t leaving yet. Mitchell is going to need to leave if he wants to prefers his career

 

[nineteen eighty]

Can still mathematically get pick one

Haha Melbourne and Carlton administrations said the same thing years ago. That worked out well for them...

 

[Gavin Excell]

He’s not leaving Hawthorn to go to Collingwood who are also in the midst of a rebuild. It makes no sense.

Actually you are probably right.
His comments midweek were pretty strong about staying at hawks

 

[Gavin Excell]

He’s not leaving Hawthorn to go to Collingwood who are also in the midst of a rebuild. It makes no sense.

Actually you are probably right.
His comments midweek were pretty strong about staying at hawks

 

[WillHayward]

If I was Hawks list mgr Id be in for Narkle with my 2nd round pick.
Exactly what Hawks need right now.

 

[Ambrosia]

If I was Hawks list mgr Id be in for Narkle with my 2nd round pick.
Exactly what Hawks need right now.

Get the feeling Narkle may have been dropped because he’s already got a foot out the door at Geelong