Can Hawthorn succeed while ignoring the elite end of the draft? - Part 2
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Others generally think Day and DGB will be as ‘early’ picks
no reason one at least of 2021 draftees couldn’t be the same
no reason one at least of 2021 draftees couldn’t be the same
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I know for a fact he chooses Scrimshaw over Burton, who we got for massive unders when we paid overs for Wingard.
I also dont think we need another defender in Duursma vs a small forward/mid who we need badly.
Wingard may have 5 or 6 more years in him meaning he definitely plays finals.
The 5th live pick. Ignore the bids buddy.
I really don't get the kudos on Scrimshaw
He is a nice footballer gets a few possessions off half back but that's about it
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Maybe watch him more closely. He is better than Birchall at the same age.
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Scrimshaw is Birchall but has a right peg (an elite one) and can mark very very well. Will be a super talent.
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No he isn't. That is selling Birchall way short
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Maybe not by production, maybe. But he shits on Birchalls talent and ability. Birchall was an elite left foot kick, had absolutely no right foot and couldn't intercept half as good. Was a pretty good defender and was good in the zone defense but Scrimshaw is a tall 193cm, dual sided elite by foot really good marking player who if we look at getting him in the guts, get him forward to use his hands and kicking inside 50 (time and space inside) and to get him to float back to help, he'll be a star.
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I dont know where to start with this post holy s**t. Let me just say this then instead if i had to choose between birch and scrimshaw. Birch everyday you dont get line breaking half back flankers everyday of the week with skills like his and Birch was tough as nails
Edit: forgot to mention his durability birch hardly missed a game until his late career knee issue. He started as an 18 year old
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He is everything Birchall was at that age but can also take contested marks.
And Im not selling Birchall short. Scrimshaw is that good.
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Clearly. I’d give it to Birchall through production but ceiling and talent I’d take Scrimshaw, which means * all to be fair.
Hawks did miss finals for 5 straight till 2007. Can’t see more than 2 more without
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The answer has proven to be no.
Thankfully we have done the bare minimum and gone to the draft over the last few years, though we haven't exactly loaded up on picks like other teams.
Through some luck we have had a few extra second rounders over the last few seasons, thanks to a F/S (Maginess in 2019), NGA (Downie in 2020) and a trade (Butler in 2021).
Though in 2019 we didn't have our own second round pick anyway, so it's five second rounders over the last three drafts.
2019:
1st rounder - 13) Day
2nd rounder - 29) Maginess, F/S
4th rounder - 57) Morris
Rookie - 9) Jeka
2020:
1st rounder - 6) DGB
2nd rounder - 29) Mitchell
2nd rounder - 35) Downie, NGA
3rd rounder - 46) Brockman
Rookie - 4) Saunders
2021:
Supp. Draft - Bramble
MSD - 2) Newcombe
MSD - 17) Callow
1st rounder - 7) Ward
2nd rounder - 23) Butler
2nd rounder - 26) MacDonald
4th rounder- 53) Jai Serong
Rookie - 5) Ned Long
We need these first and second rounders to become quality players for us. Day has done that already thankfully.
Thankfully we have done the bare minimum and gone to the draft over the last few years, though we haven't exactly loaded up on picks like other teams.
Through some luck we have had a few extra second rounders over the last few seasons, thanks to a F/S (Maginess in 2019), NGA (Downie in 2020) and a trade (Butler in 2021).
Though in 2019 we didn't have our own second round pick anyway, so it's five second rounders over the last three drafts.
2019:
1st rounder - 13) Day
2nd rounder - 29) Maginess, F/S
4th rounder - 57) Morris
Rookie - 9) Jeka
2020:
1st rounder - 6) DGB
2nd rounder - 29) Mitchell
2nd rounder - 35) Downie, NGA
3rd rounder - 46) Brockman
Rookie - 4) Saunders
2021:
Supp. Draft - Bramble
MSD - 2) Newcombe
MSD - 17) Callow
1st rounder - 7) Ward
2nd rounder - 23) Butler
2nd rounder - 26) MacDonald
4th rounder- 53) Jai Serong
Rookie - 5) Ned Long
We need these first and second rounders to become quality players for us. Day has done that already thankfully.
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Burton hasn't come in leaps and bounds though has he. Is a solid role player with decent foot skills. That's his ceiling. By 24 you kinda know what your getting unless they play ruck or Key position which take a few more years potentially . He doesn't have the tricks or X factor Chad has. Isn't as versatile either. There's also the element of his personality which rubbed a few of the boys the wrong way and has shone through at times when asked about his trade to Port when discussing the Hawks. Put it this way we paid a price for Chad but it's not really hurting us ATM because his output has been better and will continue to be so. If he actually puts a whole season together like his last 6 weeks of 2021 watch the narrative change around the trade. It will be labelled a stroke of genius.
I’m coming to the opinion that success in list management could be as simple as being in the bottom six when there’s an abundance of ‘Generational talent’ in the early picks
OR
Picking when there’s a strong abundance of talent later in the draft and taking more than usual draftees. Obviously there’s the issue of prediction here, it could easily be wrong, or miss by a year. Especially hard in covid affected seasons
I still advocate taking mature talent every year if the deal is right. Premiership team usually are in the top average age bracket
OR
Picking when there’s a strong abundance of talent later in the draft and taking more than usual draftees. Obviously there’s the issue of prediction here, it could easily be wrong, or miss by a year. Especially hard in covid affected seasons
I still advocate taking mature talent every year if the deal is right. Premiership team usually are in the top average age bracket
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I’d say bottom 4
The top 4 live picks each year seem to be a level above heading into the draft
Ward is exactly what we needed. Would've taken him at 2 if we landed there.
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He'll play finals, because finals really aren't that far away. Flag not so sure.
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