Can Hawthorn succeed while ignoring the elite end of the draft?

[HairyO]

I think this year that he has mainly wanted low scoring pressure games.

This year we had no real forward structure, so he set up low scoring pressure games. You can be sure that with a better forward line you would see a lot more goals being kicked.

We are a couple of goals a game average behind the last couple of years, and about half a dozen goals a game behind our average from 2008 to 2015.

 

[stfan]

This year we had no real forward structure, so he set up low scoring pressure games.

Yes adapted his gameplan for the players and quality that he had available. I don't think it was just the forwards though and was more based on the whole team and who is available.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

In Geelong's 3 premierships they had 17 All Austrlian's

Hawthorn in their 3 premierships from 2013-2015 had 8

And Hawthorn were more dominant remembering Geelong were most dominant in 07 and 08 (non premiership year).

Geelong had 7 AA's in 2008 to Hawthorns 2 and Geelong had 6 AA's in 2010 to Hawthorns 2.

Geelong were a team of stat padding whores though.

Isn't AA named prior to the end of the season? Geelong were a more dominant regular season side over that period so it's perfectly reasonable they had more AAs.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Now that Carlton have landed Coniglio, where does that leave hawthorn in its quest to bolster its midfield?

 

[ChappyUK]

Now that Carlton have landed Coniglio, where does that leave hawthorn in its quest to bolster its midfield?

Officially?

 

[Gavin Excell]

Officially?

Officially?

Yes - from official ITK Carlton posters

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Now that Carlton have landed Coniglio, where does that leave hawthorn in its quest to bolster its midfield?

It's a good question. I guess they might consider another down year to stock up and then go again for Whitfield next year.

It's a bit of a concern that their better targets keep spurning them. There are only so many broken down players like Scully you can pick up.

 

[Slysh]

Reminder to people that Coniglio hasn't actually announced his decision though aye...

 

[hawkman]

Now that Carlton have landed Coniglio, where does that leave hawthorn in its quest to bolster its midfield?

Less concerned than a couple of months ago with the emergence of Worpel and Wingard looking good as a mid over the last month.
Coniglio would still be very handy though

 

[Sirlemsip]

Less concerned than a couple of months ago with the emergence of Worpel and Wingard looking good as a mid over the last month.
Coniglio would still be very handy though

Not only Worpel/Wingard improving, but Mitchell comes back in 2020 and it is looking like we'll grab Finn who is also an inside mid in this years draft...

I'd love Cogs, obviously, but he isn't as much of a 'need' as he was at the start of 2019.

I would think that the need to get another 'A grade' midfielder is somewhat diminished, and the focus will be on a Frawley replacement.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Hawthorn supporters have started backpedaling on Cogs very quickly.

 

[rei154]

Hawthorn supporters have started backpedaling on Cogs very quickly.

improvise, adapt, overcome!
Though I'm not convinced that he's locked and loaded to head to Carlton, I think we have the systems/talent in place to compensate for us not gaining him. I'm still thinking we could end up going quite hard into the draft this year, and I think that'll be more likely if Cogs heads to Carlton or stays a Giant.

 

[hawkman]

Hawthorn supporters have started backpedaling on Cogs very quickly.

Would be great to get him and would push our midfield into the top group. Not convinced he is locked to go anywhere yet either.
But from a couple of months ago to now I think the need in the midfield is less than in other areas in the team

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Hawthorn supporters have started backpedaling on Cogs very quickly.

Not really.
Just saying it isn't the end of the world if we dont (particularly due to the recent development in our side)

 

[matey]

Hawthorn supporters have started backpedaling on Cogs very quickly.

The recent emergence of a young gun bull with a Brownlow medalist coming back next year has made a big difference. However if Cogs chooses Hawks ..... oh boy.

 

[Slysh]

Another 34 disposals - 13 clearances - 2 goals - 7 tackles - 20 contested possessions for Worpel last night.

Reminder that some still rate Dow as a better prospect.

 

[Pessimistic]

Yes - from official ITK Carlton posters

What is that exactly?

 

[The Chad and I]

Another 34 disposals - 13 clearances - 2 goals - 7 tackles - 20 contested possessions for Worpel last night.

Reminder that some still rate Dow as a better prospect.

Don't tell them about Walker and Ross just yet

 

[TheFourPillars]

Walker aka Tony Hall and Scrimshaw aka Grant Birchall

 

[Judd2Sewell]

If we can continue to draft and develop young players like Worpel and Lewis with late picks, and steal undervalued talent like Scrimshaw then we have a chance.

The odds are against us though.

 

[HairyO]

Another 34 disposals - 13 clearances - 2 goals - 7 tackles - 20 contested possessions for Worpel last night.

Reminder that some still rate Dow as a better prospect.

Worpel was a mid to late draft pick, therefore not as good as Dow.

 

[Pessimistic]

... and scrimshaw was an early pick in his draft , but is not as good because "well just because"

 

[matey]

Another 34 disposals - 13 clearances - 2 goals - 7 tackles - 20 contested possessions for Worpel last night.

Reminder that some still rate Dow as a better prospect.

How did this gun slip through the elite end of the draft ....... embarrassing.

 

[Pessimistic]

How did this gun slip through the elite end of the draft ....... embarrassing.

Clubs aren't doing the right thing by hawk head effd posters and media types everywhere

 

[Leeda]

Clubs aren't doing the right thing by hawk head effd posters and media types everywhere

And I thought you had no feelings..no more witty retorts