Can Pies beat Dees?

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Can the Pies beat Melbourne and make it 4 in a row? Your thoughts please...
 

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It will be a great game, you alway manage to match up well against us.
just waiting to see some responses of how confident u guys are, as 1 kangaroo supporter was over cocky and i gave it to him not all of them and i got banned from their forum.

Well i wont say god luck for monday as i dont want you to win so, let the best team win.
 
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hmmmm, i honstly think we will be lucky to get over the dees, we have definetely been in good enough form, but to beat the 3 top teams within a month is a big ask. should be a good one though, and if ill definetely tip the boys, lets all just hope for the best
 

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We obviously CAN win. It will be about playing the same game we've played in the past 3 weeks. If we do that, I think we're almost likely to win.

Both teams tend to start out well, and so if that's negated by it being a strength for both teams, Melbourne also tend to fade out late in games. We tend to finish games well, so we might be looking at a come from behind victory.
 

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it's all a matter of if we can shut down melbourne's forward line. their forward line is quite possibly the best in the afl at the moment and our backline is quite possibly the best at the moment. so if we can stop them here, and our midfield is up and running, we should be able to exploit melbourne's defence which is not one of their strengths and hopefully our forwards can kick a bag of goals.
 

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Their backline isn't their strength but they should get Rivers back. Nicholson, although not as bad as they think he is, will struggle to match up on any of T.Cloke, Rusling and Tarrant so unless Miller goes back we should take advantage of that.
 

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solid recent record against them, except for last year, i dont see any reason why they would be greatly confident they will smash us

im looking forward to a close game
 

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We generally play awesome against the Dees and should have killed them last year except for a brain melt.
Best defence vs the best attack in my opinion.
Our forwards are better than their defence so we should be able to put a fair score on the board.
It's all gonnacome down to the midfield.
 

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not going in as confident as i was against the hawks or cats but then again had no confidence going into the west coast game so who knows. but i tell ya what, if the pies win, and with conviction, we are over the hill, all downhill from here. go pies
 

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Their backline isn't their strength but they should get Rivers back. Nicholson, although not as bad as they think he is, will struggle to match up on any of T.Cloke, Rusling and Tarrant so unless Miller goes back we should take advantage of that.
Nicholson would have no trouble with the first 2. Remember he kept an in-form Richardson to 1 goal so I think you are under-rating him slightly. I personally think we will win by about 30 points.

We beat geelong by 10 goals and West Coast are one of the worst teams at the mcg that fall across the line against average teams like Richmond.

If you beat us then I will start to give you some credit, till then you are simply another bottom four team in form, like Hawthorn was in a few weeks ago and Carlton were in in the wizard cup.

The only way we can lose this game is if we if it pours with rain and we kick 5 goals 25 behinds or something similar.
 

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Nicholson would have no trouble with the first 2. Remember he kept an in-form Richardson to 1 goal so I think you are under-rating him slightly. I personally think we will win by about 30 points.

We beat geelong by 10 goals and West Coast are one of the worst teams at the mcg that fall across the line against average teams like Richmond.

If you beat us then I will start to give you some credit, till then you are simply another bottom four team in form, like Hawthorn was in a few weeks ago and Carlton were in in the wizard cup.

The only way we can lose this game is if we if it pours with rain and we kick 5 goals 25 behinds or something similar.
Don't underestimate our ability to dirty up a clean midfield.

If we make the middle scrappy, then we have an advantage up forward and down back. You're main goal should be to run us off our feet and use it cleanly, so our tough tackling and pressuring tactics slack off.

Can someone please tell me what happened to Johnno and if he'll be back??
 

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Nicholson would have no trouble with the first 2. Remember he kept an in-form Richardson to 1 goal so I think you are under-rating him slightly. I personally think we will win by about 30 points.

We beat geelong by 10 goals and West Coast are one of the worst teams at the mcg that fall across the line against average teams like Richmond.

If you beat us then I will start to give you some credit, till then you are simply another bottom four team in form, like Hawthorn was in a few weeks ago and Carlton were in in the wizard cup.

The only way we can lose this game is if we if it pours with rain and we kick 5 goals 25 behinds or something similar.
but nicholson is a bit of a one trick pony plus Melbourne played richmond and richardson pretty well, zoned back and ensured they always had someone helping Jack out

with the pace of Tarrant, nicholson will struggle there, rusling is quick also, while Trav would kill Nicholson

tarrant and rusling would just have to do what they did against Scarlett, get on their bike with big long searching leads, and Nicholson will be null and void
 

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Don't underestimate our ability to dirty up a clean midfield.

If we make the middle scrappy, then we have an advantage up forward and down back. You're main goal should be to run us off our feet and use it cleanly, so our tough tackling and pressuring tactics slack off.

Can someone please tell me what happened to Johnno and if he'll be back??
agree with that call Figjam, we bring melbourne down to our level in the midfield then we will be on top and be able to dictate terms

Johnno had a corkie and will be back this week
 

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You are full of it. It is not possible to stop all of Bruce, Yze, Neitz, Davey, Robertson, Green through your so-called midfield pressure. There is about 17 goals from that list! And we always have help from guys like Holland, miller, Sylvia, Johnstone, White who can bob up and kick 1 or 2. Your backline is in for it. Im telling you now.

You will have to have about 10 individual goal kickers to beat us. Good luck.
 

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You are full of it. It is not possible to stop all of Bruce, Yze, Neitz, Davey, Robertson, Green through your so-called midfield pressure. There is about 17 goals from that list! And we always have help from guys like Holland, miller, Sylvia, Johnstone, White who can bob up and kick 1 or 2. Your backline is in for it. Im telling you now.

You will have to have about 10 individual goal kickers to beat us. Good luck.
Neitz and Davey are not a problem, we have them covered. Green will have a holiday next weekend so thats one less problem for us. That leaves Bruce Yze and Robertson to contend with, and the best way to beat them is to choke their supply. Our defence is the best in the AFL.

At the other end we have Tarrant T Cloke Didak Caracella and Rusling to contend with along with Burns Fraser C Cloke and others who can bob up for a goal.

Should be a cracking game.
 

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Can the Pies beat Melbourne and make it 4 in a row?
Yes, we certainly can!

The team that uses the ball better kicking into forward 50 will definitely win the match, and lately we have used the ball pretty well. The small forwards (Didak & Caracella) all have to play blinders, because the tall forwards wouldn't have as much of an impact if it is going to rain.

Trust me on this.. Our back line > Melbourne's forward line.
 

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We can beat the Dees, but we need to play at a high level of intensity all day. Melbourne are a very classy side who run away with games if the opposition is not 100% at them, but I think they are fundamentally not a tough side so applied pressure will see them wilt.

Melbourne has a lot more skill and class out there on the park ATM. We'll need to run our backsides off to keep a lid on them like we did vs Geelong.

Melbournes midfield is a lot more vulnerable to pressure than the Cats, so we know we can shake them up if we're prepared to run and tackle hard.

However the Dees forwards area lot more dangerous (they kick goals more easily-they're not constipated like the Cats forwards) so our backline will need to step up again-when the Cats midfield began winning the ball in the second half they nearly got up and pinched it.

Melbourne won't be as wasteful as the Catters were if we let them acquire uncontested balls in the centre so we'll need to stay on top all day to hold them.

Like I say, if we play hard all day we should win, but if the Dees get their run going we'll go under. Should be a good match.
 

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You are full of it. It is not possible to stop all of Bruce, Yze, Neitz, Davey, Robertson, Green through your so-called midfield pressure. There is about 17 goals from that list! And we always have help from guys like Holland, miller, Sylvia, Johnstone, White who can bob up and kick 1 or 2. Your backline is in for it. Im telling you now.
Well it's how we beat West Coast (Cousins, Fletcher, Kerr etc) and Geelong (Ling, Bartel, Kelly, Enright, etc).
 

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oooze said:
You are full of it. It is not possible to stop all of Bruce, Yze, Neitz, Davey, Robertson, Green through your so-called midfield pressure. There is about 17 goals from that list! And we always have help from guys like Holland, miller, Sylvia, Johnstone, White who can bob up and kick 1 or 2. Your backline is in for it. Im telling you now.
Now that you mention it, I can't believe you're not undefeated!!
 

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Melbourne are as soft as Jeff White. I am not sure we are good enough yet but they are certainly gettable. MM should give Cameron Cloke a good old fashioned order. Give White a hard time. It all starts there.
 

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IF we are hard at the ball all day and keep the pressure up for 4quarters. We will definatly win. Melbourne are a soft team they will ******** their dacks when the pressure is applied.
If we don't put on pressure we will struggle
 

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Umm..I dont think Miller would mind any of that hard stuff. Either would Mclean or Sylvia or half of our side. Do you read the newspaper..we are deemed by many as the new bad boys of the competition. Every week there are narrow-minded supporters like the kangaroos, or richmond who hit form and then think that they are a really good side until we beat them.
I dont care if the pies get priorities this year because they need them. Desperately due to their severe lack of talent.
 

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Umm..I dont think Miller would mind any of that hard stuff. Either would Mclean or Sylvia or half of our side. Do you read the newspaper..we are deemed by many as the new bad boys of the competition. .
No you're not. You're deemed to be a lot of things, but tough isnt one of them. The fact you've named two second year players amongst your most physical players just merely serves to illustrate how soft the rest of them are.

Miller is just a loose cannon.
 

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Haha Miller. He's not tough , he's just a cheap sniping bastard. Like to see how he stands up after a scotty burns hit.
 
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