Can Richmond still be a contender this season?

Where will Richmond finish at the end of the H&A season?

  • 1-4

    Votes: 26 19.8%
  • 5-8

    Votes: 60 45.8%
  • Miss Finals

    Votes: 45 34.4%

  • Total voters
    131
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She’s going to be a pretty rough ride in the immediate sense but I’m supremely confident we will be going much better at the end of the season than the start. Thought that all along but obviously this start is a lot more challenging than anyone would have envisaged.
Just get ourselves to about round 15 without being too badly knocked about and anything could happen. Even about 8-7 would be ok.
The ladder will look a whole lot different this year I think in terms of how condensed it will look. At about that round 15 point I think it’ll be about a handfull around 10-5 or 11-4 at the top to about 5-10, 6-11 sitting about 14th. Just a big ugly traffic jam jostling for spots at the business end where I expect we will be at our best.
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remember we were 5-4 in 2017
after the st.kilda loss....no one rated us
after the swans game....same old tiges

2017 we were no chance......premiers
2018 we were gonna crumble ............minor premiers
2018 we were locks for the flag.................lose prelim

enjoy the ride
Yeah but were gonna be 1-8 at the same point
 

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The question is whether the wheels fall completely off and we get to 3-8 by the middle of the year, or if we can keep them slightly on and scratch our way to 5-6 then build momentum in the back half.

Our lack of depth hurts, Dimma got complacent with our list. I don't reckon we have enough guys to fill the big holes.
 

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Slight chance we’ll fall into the 8 but I don’t see us as a realistic premiership chance this season.
New rule changes and our luck with few injured players finally running out has stuffed up the synergy
 

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One-flag wonders? Don't write off the Tigers just yet
By Wayne Carey
April 11, 2019 — 3.32pm





Stand-in skipper: Shane Edwards.Credit:AAP
Often the best team doesn't win the premiership. Richmond, last year, are a prime example.
With the greatest respect to West Coast and Collingwood, the Tigers were the strongest team of 2018 but fell short thanks to one bad performance.
Again, this year, many people – me included – had Damien Hardwick's men as the flag favourites.
That confidence has certainly been tested in recent weeks, because of injury. As we approach round four, this group is heading into what is uncharted territory in recent years at Punt Road.

For the past few years they've had a great run with injury and their so-called big four have hardly missed a game.
So just what will the absence of Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Jack Riewoldt and Alex Rance mean for the Tigers this week and beyond?
Can we write them off as one-flag wonders, or will the Tigers still add to their premiership triumph of 2017?
When you think of teams who deserved more success it's hard to go past the Essendon side of 1999-2001.
While they won the flag in 2000, many of those Bombers will openly admit they should have achieved more.

That's not to diminish how tough it is to win a premiership, but simply acknowledging how dominant they were during those years under Kevin Sheedy.
The same thing can be said about the North Melbourne side of the mid-to-late '90s, at least until we backed up our '96 premiership by pinching one in '99 – a year in which Essendon were probably the best team but lost after that tackle from Fraser Brown in a preliminary final against Carlton.
Some in footy seem pretty keen to declare Richmond's season is done, particularly given there's no coming back for Rance.
But while Saturday's clash against Port Adelaide and the matches to follow will be tough, it might also be the making of them. I wouldn't be putting a line through them just yet.
With every injury or suspension comes opportunity.

Clearly any replacements will not be like-for-like in terms of talent, but they'll be incredibly hungry knowing they have got two or three weeks to impress before most of the big guns return.
Another bloke who must stamp himself as a leader over the next month ... is one who’ll be watching from the stands this weekend.​
Yes, the Tigers have had to give away a bit of depth in the off-season, as most successful clubs do, but those who come in will still know if they play well enough there are spots for the taking.
Likewise, it gives the Tigers' middle rung a chance to make the step up from role-players to genuine leaders.
Guys such as acting captain Shane Edwards, Kane Lambert, Nick Vlastuin, Dylan Grimes and David Astbury have all shown they are very handy players in their own right.

Now, they've got the chance to prove they're even more valuable as leaders.
Despite being new to the club, Tom Lynch can do the same given his experience as skipper at Gold Coast.

Sidelined: Dustin Martin is suspended for one match.Credit:Eddie Jim
Another bloke who must stamp himself as a leader over the next month, albeit without the title, is one who'll be watching from the stands this weekend.
Dustin Martin might not offer what some perceive as leadership qualities, but there's no doubt his teammates will walk taller with him back to his best.

With Cotchin and co. sidelined, Dusty can lead with his actions rather than words. That's staying disciplined and attacking the contest.
Footy can be a fickle caper. He's been rightly pumped up as the best player in the game at different stages, but more recently his critics have also been quick to emerge.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-embrace-challenge-of-playing-without-stars-20190411-p51d3r.html
Richmond embrace challenge of playing without stars
There's no doubt he would be a little embarrassed by what went on against Greater Westen Sydney last weekend. Anyone who thinks Dusty won't be hurting is kidding themselves.
While there might be a perception he doesn't have the same level of care factor as other footballers, you don't get to that level without a strong commitment.

For most champions such as Dusty, your biggest critic is yourself and nothing fires you up more than your own pride. I've got no doubt that will be burning inside him, and he'll come out firing next week.
Until then, and until Richmond gets most of their best 22 back, those who run out in yellow and black simply need to scrap and fight.
Grinding out a few ugly wins over the next month will be invaluable come September.
So the challenge is there for the Tigers: are they a good team who, like many others, claim just the one flag? Or are they a great team who can really seal their place in history?
When you retire you realise how quickly those premiership windows pass you by, so the time for Hardwick's men is now.

We're about to find out what they're really made of.
 
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One-flag wonders? Don't write off the Tigers just yet
By Wayne Carey
April 11, 2019 — 3.32pm





Stand-in skipper: Shane Edwards.Credit:AAP
Often the best team doesn't win the premiership. Richmond, last year, are a prime example.
With the greatest respect to West Coast and Collingwood, the Tigers were the strongest team of 2018 but fell short thanks to one bad performance.
Again, this year, many people – me included – had Damien Hardwick's men as the flag favourites.
That confidence has certainly been tested in recent weeks, because of injury. As we approach round four, this group is heading into what is uncharted territory in recent years at Punt Road.

For the past few years they've had a great run with injury and their so-called big four have hardly missed a game.
So just what will the absence of Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Jack Riewoldt and Alex Rance mean for the Tigers this week and beyond?
Can we write them off as one-flag wonders, or will the Tigers still add to their premiership triumph of 2017?
When you think of teams who deserved more success it's hard to go past the Essendon side of 1999-2001.
While they won the flag in 2000, many of those Bombers will openly admit they should have achieved more.

That's not to diminish how tough it is to win a premiership, but simply acknowledging how dominant they were during those years under Kevin Sheedy.
The same thing can be said about the North Melbourne side of the mid-to-late '90s, at least until we backed up our '96 premiership by pinching one in '99 – a year in which Essendon were probably the best team but lost after that tackle from Fraser Brown in a preliminary final against Carlton.
Some in footy seem pretty keen to declare Richmond's season is done, particularly given there's no coming back for Rance.
But while Saturday's clash against Port Adelaide and the matches to follow will be tough, it might also be the making of them. I wouldn't be putting a line through them just yet.
With every injury or suspension comes opportunity.

Clearly any replacements will not be like-for-like in terms of talent, but they'll be incredibly hungry knowing they have got two or three weeks to impress before most of the big guns return.
Another bloke who must stamp himself as a leader over the next month ... is one who’ll be watching from the stands this weekend.​
Yes, the Tigers have had to give away a bit of depth in the off-season, as most successful clubs do, but those who come in will still know if they play well enough there are spots for the taking.
Likewise, it gives the Tigers' middle rung a chance to make the step up from role-players to genuine leaders.
Guys such as acting captain Shane Edwards, Kane Lambert, Nick Vlastuin, Dylan Grimes and David Astbury have all shown they are very handy players in their own right.

Now, they've got the chance to prove they're even more valuable as leaders.
Despite being new to the club, Tom Lynch can do the same given his experience as skipper at Gold Coast.

Sidelined: Dustin Martin is suspended for one match.Credit:Eddie Jim
Another bloke who must stamp himself as a leader over the next month, albeit without the title, is one who'll be watching from the stands this weekend.
Dustin Martin might not offer what some perceive as leadership qualities, but there's no doubt his teammates will walk taller with him back to his best.

With Cotchin and co. sidelined, Dusty can lead with his actions rather than words. That's staying disciplined and attacking the contest.
Footy can be a fickle caper. He's been rightly pumped up as the best player in the game at different stages, but more recently his critics have also been quick to emerge.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...of-playing-without-stars-20190411-p51d3r.html
Richmond embrace challenge of playing without stars
There's no doubt he would be a little embarrassed by what went on against Greater Westen Sydney last weekend. Anyone who thinks Dusty won't be hurting is kidding themselves.
While there might be a perception he doesn't have the same level of care factor as other footballers, you don't get to that level without a strong commitment.

For most champions such as Dusty, your biggest critic is yourself and nothing fires you up more than your own pride. I've got no doubt that will be burning inside him, and he'll come out firing next week.
Until then, and until Richmond gets most of their best 22 back, those who run out in yellow and black simply need to scrap and fight.
Grinding out a few ugly wins over the next month will be invaluable come September.
So the challenge is there for the Tigers: are they a good team who, like many others, claim just the one flag? Or are they a great team who can really seal their place in history?
When you retire you realise how quickly those premiership windows pass you by, so the time for Hardwick's men is now.

We're about to find out what they're really made of.
Is Wayne on the train?
 

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One-flag wonders? Don't write off the Tigers just yet
By Wayne Carey
April 11, 2019 — 3.32pm





Stand-in skipper: Shane Edwards.Credit:AAP
Often the best team doesn't win the premiership. Richmond, last year, are a prime example.
With the greatest respect to West Coast and Collingwood, the Tigers were the strongest team of 2018 but fell short thanks to one bad performance.
Again, this year, many people – me included – had Damien Hardwick's men as the flag favourites.
That confidence has certainly been tested in recent weeks, because of injury. As we approach round four, this group is heading into what is uncharted territory in recent years at Punt Road.

For the past few years they've had a great run with injury and their so-called big four have hardly missed a game.
So just what will the absence of Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Jack Riewoldt and Alex Rance mean for the Tigers this week and beyond?
Can we write them off as one-flag wonders, or will the Tigers still add to their premiership triumph of 2017?
When you think of teams who deserved more success it's hard to go past the Essendon side of 1999-2001.
While they won the flag in 2000, many of those Bombers will openly admit they should have achieved more.

That's not to diminish how tough it is to win a premiership, but simply acknowledging how dominant they were during those years under Kevin Sheedy.
The same thing can be said about the North Melbourne side of the mid-to-late '90s, at least until we backed up our '96 premiership by pinching one in '99 – a year in which Essendon were probably the best team but lost after that tackle from Fraser Brown in a preliminary final against Carlton.
Some in footy seem pretty keen to declare Richmond's season is done, particularly given there's no coming back for Rance.
But while Saturday's clash against Port Adelaide and the matches to follow will be tough, it might also be the making of them. I wouldn't be putting a line through them just yet.
With every injury or suspension comes opportunity.

Clearly any replacements will not be like-for-like in terms of talent, but they'll be incredibly hungry knowing they have got two or three weeks to impress before most of the big guns return.
Another bloke who must stamp himself as a leader over the next month ... is one who’ll be watching from the stands this weekend.​
Yes, the Tigers have had to give away a bit of depth in the off-season, as most successful clubs do, but those who come in will still know if they play well enough there are spots for the taking.
Likewise, it gives the Tigers' middle rung a chance to make the step up from role-players to genuine leaders.
Guys such as acting captain Shane Edwards, Kane Lambert, Nick Vlastuin, Dylan Grimes and David Astbury have all shown they are very handy players in their own right.

Now, they've got the chance to prove they're even more valuable as leaders.
Despite being new to the club, Tom Lynch can do the same given his experience as skipper at Gold Coast.

Sidelined: Dustin Martin is suspended for one match.Credit:Eddie Jim
Another bloke who must stamp himself as a leader over the next month, albeit without the title, is one who'll be watching from the stands this weekend.
Dustin Martin might not offer what some perceive as leadership qualities, but there's no doubt his teammates will walk taller with him back to his best.

With Cotchin and co. sidelined, Dusty can lead with his actions rather than words. That's staying disciplined and attacking the contest.
Footy can be a fickle caper. He's been rightly pumped up as the best player in the game at different stages, but more recently his critics have also been quick to emerge.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...of-playing-without-stars-20190411-p51d3r.html
Richmond embrace challenge of playing without stars
There's no doubt he would be a little embarrassed by what went on against Greater Westen Sydney last weekend. Anyone who thinks Dusty won't be hurting is kidding themselves.
While there might be a perception he doesn't have the same level of care factor as other footballers, you don't get to that level without a strong commitment.

For most champions such as Dusty, your biggest critic is yourself and nothing fires you up more than your own pride. I've got no doubt that will be burning inside him, and he'll come out firing next week.
Until then, and until Richmond gets most of their best 22 back, those who run out in yellow and black simply need to scrap and fight.
Grinding out a few ugly wins over the next month will be invaluable come September.
So the challenge is there for the Tigers: are they a good team who, like many others, claim just the one flag? Or are they a great team who can really seal their place in history?
When you retire you realise how quickly those premiership windows pass you by, so the time for Hardwick's men is now.

We're about to find out what they're really made of.
We are made of chicken shit at the moment
 

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The Duck loves us. He’s a Richmond man at heart. Probably spewing he wasted all those years at Norf and that’s why he plowed Stevo’s missus. Was trying anything to get to Punt Road. Good fella is Duck.
 

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Some pretty significant challenges getting our game going with losing important players consistantly.
I think we’re at 35 different players by this week.
I think the FD department needs to bite the bullet and settle on the FWD structure they want to play for the next 4-5 games. Most teams start rusty and start building continuity after rnd 3, unfortunately we haven’t as yet.
We need to start building our season and the way we want to play, it feels like we’re still warming up the motor.
If we don’t slip into gear within the next two weeks we’ll be too far back with too much to do.
 
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Without Rance, we go from a fringe top one type team to somewhere outside the top four I would think. Also without Martin contributing strongly we are suddenly in the mid table pack. These two players in particular were a big point of difference in our premiership season, and especially in the big games that season. The coaches came up with, or stumbled upon great gameplans that year, and 2018.

If you look at what the club has had to deal with, there have been some great difficulties so far this season which makes me believe our level of performance is below what we should expect as we go further into the season, unless the key absences keep occurring.

In 2019 you have the rule changes altering the landscape and mitigating against our previously successful gameplans to some extent. So this alone brings major change to your gameplan, which brings the risk of loss of dominance. Then you add the recruitment of Lynch and his effect on how the forward line operates and the expected teething problems with that. Then you add the fact he was clearly underdone to start the season. You would expect any negative impact from these issues to reduce week by week as we get deeper into the season.

Then you get in short order, Marsh is stolen off us just before the season, Rance goes down and Grimes misses a week and the next most obvious replacement Garthwaite is clearly underdone and surprise surprise, GWS key forwards destroyed us. Further to that the player who might have offered some alternative there if he'd shown some pre season form, Miller, had also missed a chunk of weeks so was completely out of calculations. Chol, CCJ and Balta had all been training as forward/ruck options so they were not realistic solutions. With Grimes back we shouldn't get opened up like that again and even if there is an injury later, Garthwaite should be more match ready to step in, and perhaps Miller as well though he looks to be developing a lot more slowly. So whilst the loss of Rance affects us acutely, with any luck it should never be quite as damaging as in the GWS match.

Another clear issue has been some of the most experienced players missing and in many cases these players are recognised leaders in Rance, Riewoldt, now Cotchin. But beyond that, Grigg, Caddy, Houli and for the GWS match Grimes have missed and they are hardened established players who understand the structures etc well.

I don't give us much hope of beating Port away with all the key absences. So likely 1-3 after that. But then you get a run of more winnable matches, hopefully with Martin, Riewoldt, Caddy, Houli, Grimes and at some point Cotchin all back and in decent form. Sydney at home, Melbourne, Bulldogs and Freo away, Hawks, Bombers, North away. All loveable matches but all winnable as well.

We can possibly make the 8 with 12 wins but 13 should get you in this year. So we have seven more losses to spend. There are only a handful of fixtures we don't look up to winning at this stage though things can easily change in our favour in those, Pies and Eagles at the MCG, Cats at MCG. If we lose those, then of the other 15 matches we need to win 11 at least. Say you pencil in Blues, Saints and Suns as wins. If we were good enough to win at least 8 of the other 12 then you would think we would enter finals as some sort of threat.

In short, I think we don't look a realistic threat for the flag as matter tand. We can definitely make the 8 though we wouldn't want much more to go wrong and that will also be beyond us. But any team that makes the finals and has a list in good shape and playing well late season is a threat these days with the week's break leading into the finals. You couldn't rule us out of that possibility just yet.
 

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Some pretty significant challenges getting our game going with losing important players consistantly.
I think we’re at 35 different players by this week.
I think the FD department needs to bite the bullet and settle on the FWD structure they want to play for the next 4-5 games. Most teams start rusty and start building continuity after rnd 3, unfortunately we haven’t as yet.
We need to start building our season and the way we want to play, it feels like we’re still warming up the motor.
If we don’t slip into gear within the next two weeks we’ll be too far back with too much to do.
yes..
Instead it feels like DH is hoping some of the players out-of-form will play into form by playing them every week...
And at the same time, because of circumstances out of his control, injuries/suspensions, play some form young players from the ressies to see what's on offer and keep us in the running...
And then bring the 2017 GF team home in the final games at the 'G'...
 

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The Duck loves us. He’s a Richmond man at heart. Probably spewing he wasted all those years at Norf and that’s why he plowed Stevo’s missus. Was trying anything to get to Punt Road. Good fella is Duck.
Happy he didn't get to Punt Rd. Bloke keeps stuffing up and is so flawed but is forgiven and gets to keep plum media roles. And for the record Royce was better.
 
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