Society/Culture Can we please stop equating the risk posed by left wing extremists with that of right wing extremists?

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France has become the enemy of the Islamists due to President Macron's defence of cartoons that depict the Prophet Mohammed.

Three more dead in an incident in Nice. An elderly woman beheaded in a church, a man has his throat cut, another man dies of multiple stab wounds.

Two further attacks took place on Thursday morning, one in France and one in Saudi Arabia. A man was shot dead in Montfavet near Avignon after threatening police with a handgun. And a guard was attacked outside the French consulate in Jeddah.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called for a boycott of French goods.

 

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Lets be clear here. I denounce extremism and terrorism in all its forms. Islamic, ethno-nationalist, left wing and right wing. You name it.

But I am getting sick to death of the usual crew trying to play down the threat posed by right wing extremism. We've seen recent examples of far right wing extremism time and time again in Christchurch, Norway, Calgary, Oklahoma, Charleston, El Paso, Poway etc etc. Right wing extremists and neo-fascists, radicalised online (via social media sites like 8kun, 4chan, Stormfront, and increasingly twitter, Facebook and Youtube).

Mosques, Churches, Synagogues, Government buildings and employees and other sites targeted by radicalised right wingers. Mass shootings. Bombings. Car attacks. All the hallmarks of Islamic terrorism, replete with internet radicalisation of disenfranchised angry young men (and it's always men) convinced of some sort of 'clash of the cultures' and the need to kill civilians, women and kids 'for a greater good'.

And the problem of radicalised RWNJ's is growing at a rapid rate.

In Australia, Right wing extremism accounts for 40 percent of ASIO's counterterrorism efforts:



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-22/right-wing-extremists-asio-islamic-state-tactics/12690002

In the USA, far right wing terrorism accounts for the majority of all terrorist incidents since 1994, committing 2/3 of all plots and attacks in 2019, and over 90 percent to May 2020:



https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states

And the irony of the above, is you always see the usual flood of right wingers storming in to defend the above, or downplay it. The very same people that were prepared to denounce all Muslims on account of Islamic terrorism, and called for draconian laws and banning of radicalised Islamic extremists and preachers, are now pushing for the Lauren Southerns and similar far right wing agitators of the world and their 'freedom' to spruike their sh*t, and radicalise even more people.

Even worse, they try and label loosely aligned anti-fascist groups as 'terrorists' and draw this false equivalency between them and the radicalised neo-fascist mass murderers from the Right or from the Islamic extremist variety (none of whom I'll name here, may they all rot in Hell).

It's about time that false equivalence was called out for what it is. A deflection and a denial by right wingers and neo-fascists about the evils of the very far right wing ideologies they hold so dear.

Instead of downplaying and deflecting, the real question is: What can be done about the surge in neo-fascist and far right wing terrorism?
Any idea when was the last time a right-wing person beheaded someone?
 

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France has become the enemy of the Islamists due to President Macron's defence of cartoons that depict the Prophet Mohammed.

Three more dead in an incident in Nice. An elderly woman beheaded in a church, a man has his throat cut, another man dies of multiple stab wounds.

Two further attacks took place on Thursday morning, one in France and one in Saudi Arabia. A man was shot dead in Montfavet near Avignon after threatening police with a handgun. And a guard was attacked outside the French consulate in Jeddah.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called for a boycott of French goods.

That’s what hardline extremist religious conservatives will do.
 

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Lets be clear here. I denounce extremism and terrorism in all its forms. Islamic, ethno-nationalist, left wing and right wing. You name it.

But I am getting sick to death of the usual crew trying to play down the threat posed by right wing extremism. We've seen recent examples of far right wing extremism time and time again in Christchurch, Norway, Calgary, Oklahoma, Charleston, El Paso, Poway etc etc. Right wing extremists and neo-fascists, radicalised online (via social media sites like 8kun, 4chan, Stormfront, and increasingly twitter, Facebook and Youtube).

Mosques, Churches, Synagogues, Government buildings and employees and other sites targeted by radicalised right wingers. Mass shootings. Bombings. Car attacks. All the hallmarks of Islamic terrorism, replete with internet radicalisation of disenfranchised angry young men (and it's always men) convinced of some sort of 'clash of the cultures' and the need to kill civilians, women and kids 'for a greater good'.

And the problem of radicalised RWNJ's is growing at a rapid rate.

In Australia, Right wing extremism accounts for 40 percent of ASIO's counterterrorism efforts:



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-22/right-wing-extremists-asio-islamic-state-tactics/12690002

In the USA, far right wing terrorism accounts for the majority of all terrorist incidents since 1994, committing 2/3 of all plots and attacks in 2019, and over 90 percent to May 2020:



https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states

And the irony of the above, is you always see the usual flood of right wingers storming in to defend the above, or downplay it. The very same people that were prepared to denounce all Muslims on account of Islamic terrorism, and called for draconian laws and banning of radicalised Islamic extremists and preachers, are now pushing for the Lauren Southerns and similar far right wing agitators of the world and their 'freedom' to spruike their sh*t, and radicalise even more people.

Even worse, they try and label loosely aligned anti-fascist groups as 'terrorists' and draw this false equivalency between them and the radicalised neo-fascist mass murderers from the Right or from the Islamic extremist variety (none of whom I'll name here, may they all rot in Hell).

It's about time that false equivalence was called out for what it is. A deflection and a denial by right wingers and neo-fascists about the evils of the very far right wing ideologies they hold so dear.

Instead of downplaying and deflecting, the real question is: What can be done about the surge in neo-fascist and far right wing terrorism?
I don't get the thread title. Stop "equating the risk of left wing extremism with right wing extremism "? Are you saying right wing extremism poses a higher risk than left wing terrorism or is your main point that people downplay right wing extremism? Islamic terrorism etc is extreme right wing.. communism is extreme left wing - imo its all shades of sh*t at the extremes.
 
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Any idea when was the last time a right-wing person beheaded someone?
He's going to pick up on the mention of Islamo-facism in the article I linked to and claim it was another example of right wing extremism.
 

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That’s what hardline extremist religious conservatives will do.
Islamists are certainly hardline, extremist and religious. I'm guessing the elderly woman about to get her head separated from her neck by a sharp knife didn't get the chance to ask "would you consider yourself a Muslim radical or a conservative?"
 

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Islamists are certainly hardline, extremist and religious. I'm guessing the elderly woman about to get her head separated from her neck by a sharp knife didn't get the chance to ask "would you consider yourself a Muslim radical or a conservative?"
And yet here we are.

“Radical” and “conservative” aren’t mutually exclusive, depending on your perspective.
 
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Bullshit.
Erm no I don't think so.

This was doing the rounds on twitter today.


See the hatred being spewed by Yousaf. More than 96% of Scotland is white. Yes, 96%.

Imagine thinking that a handful of posts you mention as being occupied by "w-hite" people means that Scotland is racist. Yousaf is a complete fruit loop and emblematic of the far-left.

 

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He literally said that was the aim of the new laws.


why should this not be prosecuted. It would if you did so down the pub but not in your house?
No he didn't. Why is it always the same people in threads defending white supremacy and hating on the coloured folk? Or disagreeing with science. Must be something in their wiring.
 

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Our PM has offered his condolences, he won't tolerate anything other than an Evangelical theocracy. Same end just different means.
 

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Erm no I don't think so.

This was doing the rounds on twitter today.


See the hatred being spewed by Yousaf. More than 96% of Scotland is white. Yes, 96%.

Imagine thinking that a handful of posts you mention as being occupied by "w-hite" people means that Scotland is racist. Yousaf is a complete fruit loop and emblematic of the far-left.

He’s not happy about representation of minority groups. He could do himself a favour by not sounding so angry though. It gives the bot farms too much to work with.
 

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