Society/Culture Can we please stop equating the risk posed by left wing extremists with that of right wing extremists?

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Malifice

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Are you trying to say that because an African American is poor they are not an African American ?
What?

No im saying that when ethnic crime stats are adjusted for socio economics (education levels, poverty etc) ethnic disparities in those stats vanish.

Poverty causes crime. Not race.

Im also saying 'men' as a demographic are far more dangerous than any other demographic (religious, ethic or age) when it comes to murders and the like.
 

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No. I am saying serious crime including homicide is more prevalent in demographics who strongly favour the Democrats not the Republicans.
Youre full of sh*t.

Men favour voting republican, and as already proved they're the demographic that has the most prevalence of homicides.
 

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Men favour voting republican, and as already proved they're the demographic that has the most prevalence of homicides.
That doesn't prove anything when it's such a comically wide category with many demographics within it, and such a small minority of men who are murderers, plus a relatively minor gender gap in republican voters.

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Doesn't that tell you that they blame the Republicans for the serious crime in their demographic?
Some might and some might take the view that the Democrats are softer on crime than the Republicans. I suspect most vote Democrat for non crime related matters.

Regardless the people responsible for serious crime are the ones who commit the serious crime.
 

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What?

No im saying that when ethnic crime stats are adjusted for socio economics (education levels, poverty etc) ethnic disparities in those stats vanish.

Poverty causes crime. Not race.

Im also saying 'men' as a demographic are far more dangerous than any other demographic (religious, ethic or age) when it comes to murders and the like.
Your argument that socio-economics causes crime which I half agree with (race does not cause crime) still does not change the fact that people in this demographic vote overwhelmingly for the Democrats.

African American males from low socio-economic inner city areas vote mostly for the Democrats.
 

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Youre full of sh*t.

Men favour voting republican, and as already proved they're the demographic that has the most prevalence of homicides.
People who live in inner city suburbs more likely to commit homicide

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Younger people more likely to commit homicide
African American males more likely to commit homicide

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People of low socio-economic status are more likely to commit homicide

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We can debate the cause but the fact remains these demographics strongly vote Democrat.
 

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Some might and some might take the view that the Democrats are softer on crime than the Republicans. I suspect most vote Democrat for non crime related matters.

Regardless the people responsible for serious crime are the ones who commit the serious crime.
You suspect, or you've realised that would be the only way what you said makes any sense?

Go ahead, twist yourself into some more knots trying to make it stick.
 

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You suspect, or you've realised that would be the only way what you said makes any sense?

Go ahead, twist yourself into some more knots trying to make it stick.
Your argument that you made without the support of facts that demographics that most frequently commit serious crime vote Democrat because they blame Republicans for serious crime does not deserve a serious response.

The only people responsible for committing serious crime is the people who commit the serious crime.
 
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Malifice

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That doesn't prove anything when it's such a comically wide category with many demographics within it, and such a small minority of men who are murderers, plus a relatively minor gender gap in republican voters.

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Now adjust that slight balance in favour of rhe republicans by men with the fact that 7 times more men than women are murderers.

You'll discover that Republicans commit murder at a much higher rate than do Democrats.
 

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People who live in inner city suburbs more likely to commit homicide

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Younger people more likely to commit homicide
African American males more likely to commit homicide

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People of low socio-economic status are more likely to commit homicide

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We can debate the cause but the fact remains these demographics strongly vote Democrat.
How can demographics support that when:

Men are 7 times more likely than women to murder.
Men are more likely than women to vote Republican.
 

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Now adjust that slight balance in favour of rhe republicans by men with the fact that 7 times more men than women are murderers.
7 times more doesn't mean much when we're working with such tiny percentages. It could be that murderous men who make up less than 1% of total men, are more likely to vote against the slight inclination of their gender just as young men, or educated men, are more likely to vote one way or the other. Murderers are normally younger, are three times more likely to be black, and so forth. They're not just a random cross section of men from which you could project the voting habits of a gender.
 

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7 times more doesn't mean much when we're working with such tiny percentages. It could be that murderous men who make up less than 1% of total men, are more likely to vote against the slight inclination of their gender just as young men, or educated men, are more likely to vote one way or the other. Murderers are normally younger, are three times more likely to be black, and so forth. They're not just a random cross section of men from which you could project the voting habits of a gender.
It could do.

But the same equally applies to what Borinia67 was claiming above also.
 

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How can demographics support that when:

Men are 7 times more likely than women to murder.
Men are more likely than women to vote Republican.

African American young inner-city men on low incomes are far more likely to commit murder than white middle age suburban men on middle to high incomes.

African American young inner-city men on low incomes are more likely to vote Democrat.
 

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What has Trump and the Republicans done for working-class people lately?

Cut unemployment? It was going down before Trump took office.

Keep jobs in America? He still outsourced many of them.

Tariffs on China? Did fu** all.

End the wars? The bombings continued.

Tax cuts? The wealthy received the hugest chunk of those.

What am I missing here?
He got Biden elected, through his own sh*t campaigning, doesn't that count for something?
 

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How does this tie into extremist activity exactly?

Right wing extremists seem to be overwhelmingly white, young (20's) and exclusively male.
Does it matter if killing a person ticks the box of being a terrorist activity or the individual ticks the box of being an extremist ?

The definition given to left wing extremism/terrorism is very very narrow and outdated.
 

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Does it matter if killing a person ticks the box of being a terrorist activity or the individual ticks the box of being an extremist ?

The definition given to left wing extremism/terrorism is very very narrow and outdated.
A left wing extremist was jailed in NSW yesterday. His crime?

Peacefully protesting against coal.

 

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Your argument that you made without the support of facts that demographics that most frequently commit serious crime vote Democrat because they blame Republicans for serious crime does not deserve a serious response.

The only people responsible for committing serious crime is the people who commit the serious crime.
I made no such argument.
The argument I did make was that people (as distinct from people who commit serious crime) who live in high crime areas vote Democrat because they blame Republicans for the high crime rates.

How TF would you know how people who commit serious crime vote?
You wouldn't know.
You're just making sh*t up.
 

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