Umm no, was not conflating anything, just pointing out that the view of say an antifa member and a neo nazi are at complete odds. Which is relevant to today's discussions, not nazism and fascism in their intended forms per se.It was because you were conflating socialism and communism with nazism and fascism. They're at completely different ends of the political spectrum.
You're aware Antifa and the Nazis were fighting each other in the 30's on the streets of Germany (in scenes eerily similar to what we're seeing in contemporary USA) right?Umm no, was not conflating anything, just pointing out that the view of say an antifa member and a neo nazi are at complete odds. Which is relevant to today's discussions, not nazism and fascism in their intended forms per se.
In other words was highlighting the horse shoe theory as the bullsh*t that it is.You're aware Antifa and the Nazis were fighting each other in the 30's on the streets of Germany (in scenes eerily similar to what we're seeing in contemporary USA) right?
Antifa lost that one. Hitler rose to power. Then he rounded up all the Socialists and had them shot.
Then he invaded Russia to truly stamp out the Socialists for good, which... did not end well:
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In the end Antifa had the last laugh.
If there were no fascists, there would be no need for anti fascists.
No I dont agree.Sure both antifa and neo nazi (if to use an example) are equally 'extreme' but that's where the similarity begins and ends. < Surely you agree.
In other news, water is wet and the sky is blue.If there were no fascists, there would be no need for anti fascists.
The only way to get rid of anti fascists, is to destroy the fascists.
Everyone who isn't a fascist, should be an anti fascist by default.
I hope this helps.
I'm not advocating for either the left or right here, or antifa v fascism, which you seem to be confused with.No I dont agree.
How many acts of Terrorism have Antifa sympathizers been done for in the name of the cause? Zero.
How many acts of Terrorism have the pricks they're fighting committed in the name of theirs? Dozens in the last few years alone, and rising.
There is a reason ASIO are focusing nearly half their efforts on Neo Nazis and Far Right wing groups, and Antifa hardly rates a mention.
Yet you keep leaving out pertinent bits of my posts.
No, they're forced into extremism, because Nazis dont listen to anything else.Antifa's sentiment is noble if you purely look at their underlying objective - unfortunately 'forced' into extremism to get the message across.
Allow me to be clear.OK, two can play at the reply to the bit you only want to reply to game.
Where did I disagree with this?
Clearly I've stated exactly what you've stated here.
Yes, the validity is the extremism at both ends, may not be exactly equal in the extremism. None the less extremism at both ends. None the less that's where the similarities begin and end.There is some validity in it actually. Stalins version of Marxist Leninism was (in many ways) not that dissimilar to Fascism.
Of course, I'm not a Communist. Not all anti-fascists are.
They sometimes meet in the moshpit at punk rock gigs.Can we come to the conclusion, from where all this began, the point I'm making is the horse shoe theory - apart from the extremism - is bullshit. There is no known universe where fringe left and fringe right share the same views?
That's not the point I'm making and you know it.Allow me to be clear.
Antifa are not as extreme as the Fascists they oppose. Not by a long shot.
Do you agree, yes or no?
You'd think so, but that's sadly not the case.This is a very simplistic statement, just about everybody apart from fascists are antifa (not 'members' but the sentiment is the same)
The views are different, but the methods and reality is the same. Id probably go further in that there are a fair few similarities in the far right (Fascism) and far left (Communism). Pogroms happen, tyranny is created, freedom is stifled.Can we come to the conclusion, from where all this began, the point I'm making is the horse shoe theory - apart from the extremism - is bullshit. There is no known universe where fringe left and fringe right share the same views?
And all of them are noisy minority groups, not a reflection of wider society. Important to realize that.Antivaxxers, Proud Boys and other Far Right groups, and Qanon people are all arguing that a 'cabal of banking families, international financiers, Hollywood and media elites, Soros, Zuckerberg etc (so - the Jews) are behind a secret plot to (impose communism/ socialism/ great reset/ universal credit on us) or (eat and rape our children) or (both).
And that's where it begins and ends.The views are different, but the methods and reality is the same
You think what happened in 1920-33 in Germany, wont happen elsewhere?Even more importantly is to realize that extreme minority groups will NOT dictate to the centred majority.
Ahh! you're talking about exceptions to the rule.You think what happened in 1920-33 in Germany, wont happen elsewhere?
Here is one for you:
''A decaying Republic, faced by economic hardship, is beset by street battles between growing armed fascist groups and anti-fascist opponents on the other side.
Young men don uniforms and rifles stand guard at protests, ready to beat down any Socialist or sympathizer they see.
The fascists are convinced that there is a secret plot by 'international banking cabals, financiers and Media elites' to (cannibalize and rape children/ impose global socialism on us all) and that the Left and the 'financiers' are seeking to undermine and replace the White race via a 'great replacement.'
A failed coup by the fascists on the Government is thwarted, and their leader is removed. From his exile, he writes a novel about his struggles and his vision for the future.'
Am I talking about the USA or Germany here?