Society/Culture Can we please stop equating the risk posed by left wing extremists with that of right wing extremists?

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I reject the deliberate attempts to conflate the right wing and Islamist terror threat.
So do I.

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The thread is actually about far-left vs far-right violence, where there is no comparison. Far-right violence is more prevalent than far-left violence and the OP remains correct.
 
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So do I.

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The thread is actually about far-left vs far-right violence, where there is no comparison. Far-right violence is more prevalent than far-left violence and the OP remains correct.
"Attacks and plots". That's rather vague. Can you offer a breakdown that includes the dozens of deaths that occurred in protests concerning George Floyd?
 

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anarchism is placed on the far-left of the political spectrum

No, it doesn't say that. Anarchism exists on both the left and the right side of politics:

Left and right anarchism

The term left anarchism, or left-wing anarchism, has been used to distinguish social anarchism from anarcho-capitalism and anti-state right-libertarian philosophies. The term left anarchism is sometimes used synonymously with libertarian socialism, left-libertarianism, or social anarchism. Anarchists typically discourage the concept of left-wing theories of anarchism on grounds of redundancy and that it lends legitimacy to the notion that anarchism is compatible with capitalism or nationalism.

Syndicalist Ulrike Heider categorized anarchism into left anarchism, right anarchism and green anarchism. The term right anarchism, or right-wing anarchism, has been used to refer to schools of thoughts which are not generally considered part of anarchism, including anarcho-capitalism and national-anarchism.

Issues in anarchism - Wikipedia

Left wing anarchists believe that anarchism removes hierarchies (namely the State, and hierarchies it supports and allows to prosper). Right wing anarchists seek removal of the State to allow those very hierarchies to flourish (in the same way that 'libertarians' argue for 'small Government' so they can freely racially abuse people and be free of regulations that stop them acting unscrupulously).

I'm left wing, and I oppose anarchism because I think the libertarians and right wing anarchists are onto something. If the State is removed and we're reduced to a state of anarchy (the Zombie apocalypse hits), the State is simply replaced with 'Mob Rule' and a 'Dog eat Dog' mentality, meaning the disadvantaged in society (women, ethnic minorities, religious minorities, homosexuals, the disabled, the poor etc) cop it in the neck.

'Every man for himself' does nothing to remove hierarchies; it just allows them to flourish.
 
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Well looks the the far left, specifically the BLM movement fostered by the media just cost Eddie McGuire his job and will gradually tearing this nation apart.

What? He was the President of an organization that's fostered a culture where calling black men 'Chimps' and wearing black face was accepted, while ignoring complaints about this behavior and deflecting them with spin, while he himself referred to an Aboriginal man by comparing him to 'King Kong'.

Like seriously? You see nothing wrong with that?
 
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Nazism is despicable as is Stalinism and other extreme right or left wing positions. But neither is something to be getting your panties in a bunch about in Australia.

Tell that to Tarrant. The only reason he didn't do what he did in NZ here, is because we tightened our gun laws after Port Arthur.

Nearly 40 percent of all current terrorist investigations in Australia are directed at plots by Far Right Wing extremists, only narrowly behind Islamists.

It seems to me that whenever someone goes postal and murders a bunch of people, they're invariably either a Salaffi Islamist, or a RWNJ/ incel/ AWM.
 
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What? He was the President of an organization that's fostered a culture where calling black men 'Chimps' and wearing black face was accepted, while ignoring complaints about this behavior and deflecting them with spin, while he himself referred to an Aboriginal man by comparing him to 'King Kong'.

Like seriously? You see nothing wrong with that?

Yes he has made some dumb comments but to say he "fostered it" is a bridge too far IMO.

This is the same man who has done for countless work for charities and assisting other clubs in the AFL, particularly mine. He simply does not deserve this.
 
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Tell that to Tarrant. The only reason he didn't do what he did in NZ here, is because we tightened our gun laws after Port Arthur.

Nearly 40 percent of all current terrorist investigations in Australia are directed at plots by Far Right Wing extremists, only narrowly behind Islamists.

It seems to me that whenever someone goes postal and murders a bunch of people, they're invariably either a Salaffi Islamist, or a RWNJ/ incel/ AWM.
So you can read the mind of that POS T********?

All you do is assist these folk, when the NZ gov were intelligent enough to not spread his name.

You are utterly obsessed with an issue that doesn't exist. If you had any respect for yourself or your community you would delete this crap or at least begin being honest!
 

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Well looks the the far left, specifically the BLM movement fostered by the media just cost Eddie McGuire his job and will gradually tearing this nation apart.

I don't necessarily feel that a lot of the racial allegations against him are justified, but he definitely did exhibit, on countless occasions, an unrivalled ability to stick his foot in his mouth. He was incredibly clumsy - like the proverbial elephant in a china shop, yet he seemed to consider himself beyond reproach.

And that to me, is and will be the undoing of Ed - he just would not and will not accept responsibility for his actions. Any sort of contrition from him was only about the optics.

Like Icarus, Edward flew a little too close to the sun a little too often. There was no option but for him to resign. Not for himself, but for the good of the Collingwood football club.
 
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Yes he has made some dumb comments but to say he "fostered it" is a bridge too far IMO.

He's the President mate. The buck stops there. It happened under his (32 year) watch.

It doesn't help that during his tenure he's publicly called an Aboriginal man ''King Kong'', and told a bloke with Jewish parents that "it would have been hard getting pocket money from them".
 
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In the US the HTA reported that DHS law enforcement officers suffered over 300 separate injuries by far left extremists.

No they didn't. Stop making unsubstantiated claims.

As far as US terrorist fatalities are concerned, we are looking at five in total in the first eight months of 2020. One by an Antifa activist, one by a far-right extremist, one by an anti-feminist, and two by an adherent of the Boogaloo movement. To put those five deaths in perspective, in the same period there were 38,390 deaths by firearm, of which 24,432 were by suicide and 13,958 were homicides.

None by an Islamist?

Great, guess they're not a threat either.

I reject the deliberate attempts to conflate the right wing and Islamist terror threat.

You know better than ASIO and the FBI then who have them both on nearly level pegging?

Righte-o. You should give ASIO a call and explain your position that they're devoting too much time investigating right wing terrorists.

Actually based on your likely browsing history, you probably shouldn't.
 
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anarchism is placed on the far-left of the political spectrum

From the HTA

DHS law enforcement officers suffered over 300 separate injuries and were assaulted with sledgehammers, commercial grade fireworks, rocks, metal pipes, improvised explosive devices, and more. This violence, perpetrated by anarchist extremists.
Go on, tell Snake_Baker he's left wing. Be good for a laugh.
 

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I don't need to read his mind. He said so in his manifesto and in his interview with Police.
So you not only go against the NZ anti terror advice by mentioning his name (damn near daily), but you have studied his manifesto and spread that word also?

It honestly sounds like you have hard-on for these types.
 
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So you not only go against the NZ anti terror advice by mentioning his name (damn near daily), but you have studied his manifesto and spread that word also?

It honestly sounds like you have hard-on for these types.
You really are the most wonderful troll on here, FK. There ain't nothing you can't spin back around on whoever you're quoting.

I mean, EasternTiger's funnier, but you are breathtaking in your ability to bend reality to your will.
 
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You really are the most wonderful troll on here, FK. There ain't nothing you can't spin back around on whoever you're quoting.

I mean, EasternTiger's funnier, but you are breathtaking in your ability to bend reality to your will.
Thanks, but I don't understand. Mass killers crave notoriety. I am suggesting that we strip them of said notoriety. In NZ they even blur out the shooters face on the news.

We can acknowledge and discuss the horrific tragedy that occurred without mentioning the perpetrators name on a daily basis and using it as a point scoring exercise.
 
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Thanks, but I don't understand. Mass killers crave notoriety. I am suggesting that we strip them of said notoriety. In NZ they even blur out the shooters face on the news.

We can acknowledge and discuss the horrific tragedy that occurred without mentioning the perpetrators name on a daily basis and using it as a point scoring exercise.
And I think your ability to adopt any pose in order to flip things around on whoever you're talking with is just uncanny. You sound like you actually believe the things you're saying!
 
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And I think your ability to adopt any pose in order to flip things around on whoever you're talking with is just uncanny. You sound like you actually believe the things you're saying!
If my stance is ridiculous, it should be easy for you to counter. Do you believe that we should give mass killers the perpetual notoriety that they desire?
 
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If my stance is ridiculous, it should be easy for you to counter. Do you believe that we should give mass killers the perpetual notoriety that they desire?
Did I say your stance is ridiculous? I don't think I did.

I'm just marvelling at your ability to don a new face with each and every post you make. One day, you're a friend to all; the next, you're an antagonistic troll; then next week, you're gleefully shoving people's faces in their defeat; then you're a penitent magnanimous saint with the higher ground. You are whatever suits the point you're trying to make at the time.

I'm not talking about what you're trying to say here, because you don't believe it. You're looking for another pivot, another person to draw into your chameleon act.

All I'm doing is applauding, FK. You're too good for this world.
 
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Did I say your stance is ridiculous? I don't think I did.

I'm just marvelling at your ability to don a new face with each and every post you make. One day, you're a friend to all; the next, you're an antagonistic troll; then next week, you're gleefully shoving people's faces in their defeat; then you're a penitent magnanimous saint with the higher ground. You are whatever suits the point you're trying to make at the time.

I'm not talking about what you're trying to say here, because you don't believe it. You're looking for another pivot, another person to draw into your chameleon act.

All I'm doing is applauding, FK. You're too good for this world.
All fair points except for "gleefully shoving people's faces in their defeat". I don't think I've done that, and regret it if I have.

You're not the first to mention that I seemingly have multiple personalities, so it must come off that way. I think it's just moodiness + occasional prescription drug changes.
 
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All fair points except for "gleefully shoving people's faces in their defeat". I don't think I've done that, and regret it if I have.

You're not the first to mention that I seemingly have multiple personalities, so it must come off that way. I think it's just moodiness + occasional prescription drug changes.
See, that's the trouble with completely shunning an identity in order to make your arguments stronger: when you attempt sincerity, people still look sideways at you, waiting for the penny to drop. You 'come off that way' because that's the way you behave. You defend reprehensible s**t, you perpetuate misinformation, and you genuinely troll just for the lulz.

Why would someone try to reach you with their arguments if you're the least sincere poster here?
 

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