Analysis Can you make a 2020 Richmond fixture that would satisfy opposition fans?

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There’s a lot of inane chatter on the MB and social media about Richmond’s easy draw this year and how it gave us a soft run into the finals. The response from the AFL has been to mix up our fixture to give us late games interstate.
Now people are complaining that we have more games at the MCG and still have a run of games there mid season. I haven’t done any sums, but I think that because of our blockbuster games and games against co-tenants, there no way of making a fixture that would satisfy opposition fans, even if you tried.

To test this theory, I’d be interested to see the worst 22-game fixture you can devise for Richmond using the following parameters:
  • 22 game season with 11 home and 11 away games: name of opposition and ground
  • Don’t need to include time slots, just each round and one bye
  • Up to 2 home games can be at Etihad unless they are against another MCG co-tenant
  • Must play 3 of the 2019 top-six teams twice, 1 middle-six and 1 bottom-six twice as per AFL rules
  • Dreamtime at the G has to be included as it is an AFL staple, but you can dispense with the other regular blockbusters if you wish (the Carlton opening game is a dud and may go, and like Melbourne they are co-tenants anyway)
  • No effort to maximise television audience or attendance
 
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Easy

I would let Richmond finish the season off with the last 8 games at the G

fu** those salty opp fans.

I'd even make West Coast play in Tassie twice, Brisbane, Sydney, Geelong and Canberra. Play 3 times at Marvel (Essendon, Western Bulldogs & Saints) and twice at the G (Richmond & Collingwood only). They want to whinge how tough they have it travelling every second week, let them see how difficult the fixture could really be.
 
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We should travel as much as possible
So away games are WC, Freo, number 11, Port, Sydney, number 12, GC, Brisbane, Hawthorn (TAS), Norf (TAS), Geelong (SGRR)
Our home games should be against Vic teams as often as possible, but to maximise difficulty of double ups a couple must be against interstate teams. These will be at Docklands where possible.
Home games are WC (Dock), Number 12 (Dock), Geelong, WB, Hawthorn, Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon, Melbourne, St Kilda, Port (China)

That means 8 games at the G, 2 at Docklands, 1 in Geelong, 10 interstate and 1 in China. 11 games at full or near full disadvantage. 5 games with approx half advantage. 3-2-0 double ups (WCE, Geel, GWS, Haw, PORT). This is technically allowed, I’m not sure the AFL would ever do it, but the rest seems pretty unlikely too.

R1 - H MCG Carlton
R2 - A AO Number 11
R3 - H MCG WB
R4 - A SGRR Geelong
R5 - H MCG Melbourne
R6 - A GS Number 12
R7 - H DOCK WCE
R8 - A TAS Hawthorn
R9 - H MCG Essendon
R10 - H CHINA Port
BYE
R11 - A SCG Sydney
R12 - H MCG Collingwood
R13 - A TAS Norf
R14 - H MCG St Kilda
R15 - A MS GC
R16 - H MCG Geelong
R17 - A GABBA Brisbane
R18 - H MCG Hawthorn
R19 - A AO Port
R20 - H DOCK Number 12
R22 - A OS Fremantle
R23 - A OS WCE

Things to note
- never play the G consecutively
- only consecutive home games include China game
- early bye making us have a longer run into september
- last 2 weeks trips to Perth
- last 4 weeks all away from the G
 

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Nup they'd still find something to whinge about, has anyone else noticed our draw was similar in '16 with MCG games yet no1 was sooking it up then, wonder why that could be?
 

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Round 1: Collingwood (MCG) A
Round 2: Carlton (MCG) H
Round 3: St Kilda (Marvel) A
Round 4: Adelaide (MCG) H
Round 5: West Coast (OS) A
Round 6: Melbourne (MCG) H
Round 7: GWS (GIANTS) A
Round 8: Brisbane (MCG) H
Round 9: Geelong (GMHBA) A
Round 10: Essendon (MCG) H
Round 11: Sydney (SCG) A
Round 12: North Melbourne (Bellerive Oval) A
Round 14: West Coast (MCG) H
Round 15: GWS (MCG) H
Round 16: Port Adelaide (Marvel) H
Round 17: Collingwood (MCG) H
Round 18: Gold Coast (Metricon) A
Round 19: Western Bulldogs (Marvel) H
Round 20: Adelaide (AO) A
Round 21: Carlton (MCG) A
Round 22: Hawthorn (MCG) H
Round 23: Fremantle (OS) A

There were slight alterations to the current fixture:
- 11 MCG games
- 3 Marvel games (2 as home team and 1 as away team)
- Travel interstate 6 times
- Brisbane play Richmond at the MCG for exposure
- Collingwood vs Richmond as opener and not Carlton
- Swap the GIANTS Stadium game with the MCG game against GWS to reduce the frequency of MCG games in a period
- Play North Melbourne in Tasmania and Geelong in Geelong

May not satisfy those that genuinely want to see us travel 8 times, but the others will probably like it apart from the fact that there are a couple of 4 week periods where we don’t travel.

EDIT: Spelling and grammar
 
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People like AFL for all types of reasons. Since joining BF, I've come to believe that a good chunk of "AFL supporters" enjoy banter, shit stirring and whinging much more than the actual sport. Nothing would please these trolls more than Richmond playing Gold Coast 22 times at the MCG then being knocked out of the finals by their team. Plenty on this board would react the same way if it happened to Geelong.

Personally, I wanted to play the other top 8 teams twice. I want to see just how good this team can be.

FWIW, Rohan Connolly has done an analysis of the fixture for many years. This year's found that the Eagles have the hardest draw in 2020 from any season that Connolly has analysed - https://footyology.com.au/afl-fixture-2020-finding-the-real-winners-losers/
 

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There’s a lot of inane chatter on the MB and social media about Richmond’s easy draw this year and how it gave us a soft run into the finals. The response from the AFL has been to mix up our fixture to give us late games interstate.
Now people are complaining that we have more games at the MCG and still have a run of games there mid season. I haven’t done any sums, but I think that because of our blockbuster games and games against co-tenants, there no way of making a fixture that would satisfy opposition fans, even if you tried.

To test this theory, I’d be interested to see the worst 22-game fixture you can devise for Richmond using the following parameters:
  • 22 game season with 11 home and 11 away games: name of opposition and ground
  • Don’t need to include time slots, just each round and one bye
  • Up to 2 home games can be at Etihad unless they are against another MCG co-tenant
  • Must play 3 of the 2019 top-six teams twice, 1 middle-six and 1 bottom-six twice as per AFL rules
  • Dreamtime at the G has to be included as it is an AFL staple, but you can dispense with the other regular blockbusters if you wish (the Carlton opening game is a dud and may go, and like Melbourne they are co-tenants anyway)
  • No effort to maximise television audience or attendance
The best worst fixtures will be put up on the main board for general comment and analysis.


Round 1 Opposition Ground
Round 2
Round 3
Round 4
Round 5
Round 6
Round 7
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Round 9
Round 10
Round 11
BYE
Round 13
Round 14
Round 15
Round 16
Round 17
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lol

Why bother? For this even to be possible the entire fixture has to be built around us for this to work. Which oppo fans would whinge about further.

then of course there is the hit to our revenue the AFL would be forced to compensate us for as part of equalisation. Not to mention the hit to other teams revenue because they wouldn’t be able to play us at the G as a home game.

with all that being paid out of the equalisation fund and us not paying tax in there will be less in the pot for Port, GC, GWS, Lions, StKilda, Dee, Norf and Dogs forcing these teams close to extinction.

And all this would be our fault and oppo fans would sook about teams folding, broadcast money going down etc...
 

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Round 1: Carlton (Marvel)
Round 2: Collingwood (Adelaide Oval)
Round 3: St Kilda (Marvel)
Round 4: Adelaide (Adelaide Oval)
Round 5: West Coast (Optus)
Round 6: Melbourne (GABBA)
Round 7: GWS (GIANTS)
Round 8: Brisbane (GABBA)
Round 9: Geelong (GMHBA)
Round 10: Essendon (Optus)
Round 11: Sydney (SCG)
Round 12: North Melbourne (Bellerive Oval)
Round 14: West Coast (Optus)
Round 15: GWS (GIANTS)
Round 16: Port Adelaide (Adelaide Oval)
Round 17: Collingwood (China)
Round 18: Gold Coast (Metricon)
Round 19: Western Bulldogs (Marvel)
Round 20: Adelaide (Adelaide Oval)
Round 21: Carlton (The Moon)
Round 22: Hawthorn (UTAS)
Round 23: Fremantle (Optus)
 

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Don't read Twitter posts from whingers. Don't read oppo boards. Don't read the salt mine thread. And you'd be surprised how refreshing it is. I intend to follow the AFLW team a bit more. Watch local footy. RFC is on top by just about any measure. If we can't find something to enjoy from within our walls we aren't trying hard enough. Has training started yet?
 

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Round 1: Collingwood (MCG) A
Round 2: Carlton (MCG) H
Round 3: St Kilda (Marvel) A
Round 4: Adelaide (MCG) H
Round 5: West Coast (OS) A
Round 6: Melbourne (MCG) H
Round 7: GWS (GIANTS) A
Round 8: Brisbane (MCG) H
Round 9: Geelong (GMHBA) A
Round 10: Essendon (MCG) H
Round 11: Sydney (SCG) A
Round 12: North Melbourne (Bellerive Oval) A
Round 14: West Coast (MCG) H
Round 15: GWS (MCG) H
Round 16: Port Adelaide (Marvel) H
Round 17: Collingwood (MCG) H
Round 18: Gold Coast (Metricon) A
Round 19: Western Bulldogs (Marvel) H
Round 20: Adelaide (AO) A
Round 21: Carlton (MCG) A
Round 22: Hawthorn (MCG) H
Round 23: Fremantle (OS) A

There were slight alterations to the current fixture:
- 11 MCG games
- 3 Marvel games (2 as home team and 1 as away team)
- Travel interstate 6 times
- Brisbane play Richmond at the MCG for exposure
- Collingwood vs Richmond as opener and not Carlton
- Swap the GIANTS Stadium game with the MCG game against GWS to reduce the frequency of MCG games in a period
- Play North Melbourne in Tasmania and Geelong in Geelong

May not satisfy those that genuinely want to see us travel 8 times, but the others will probably like it apart from the fact that there are a couple of 4 week periods where we don’t travel.

EDIT: Spelling and grammar
"What a shit fixture you guys have 14 games in Melbourne" ...… #VICBIAS
 

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Maybe - play the season as normal -

IF and ONLY IF the Tigers make the finals, no matter where they finish in the top 8 - the are relegated to play from 8th spot. - and even then they'd whine.
 

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Round 1 A Port
Round 2 A Adelaide
Round 3 A Port
Round 4 A Adelaide
Round 5 A Port
Round 6 A Adelaide
Round 7 A Port
Round 8 A Adelaide
Round 9 A Port
Round 10 A Adelaide
Round 11 A Port
BYE
Round 13 A Adelaide
Round 14 A Port
Round 15 A Adelaide
Round 16 A Port
Round 17 A Adelaide
Round 18 A Port
Round 19 A Adelaide
Round 20 A Port
Round 21 A Adelaide
Round 22 A Port
Round 23 A Adelaide
 

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Nothing would appease oppo supporters. If we played our last seven away from the MCG you’d only hear how that had hardened us and gave us too much confidence and belief so that playing on the MCG through September was like running downhill with a tailwind for us.
 

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This would please opposition fans because they love to whinge and claim a moral premiership


Round 1: Carlton (MCG) H

Round 2: Collingwood (MCG) A
Round 3: Adelaide (AO) A
Round 4: St Kilda (Marvel) A
Round 5: Melbourne (MCG) H
Round 6: Brisbane (Gabba) A
Round 7: Hawthorn (MCG) A
Round 8 : GWS (GIANTS) A
Round 9: West Coast (MCG) H
Round 10: Essendon (MCG) H

Round 11: Sydney (SCG) A
Round 12: Gold Coast (Metricon) A
Round 13 Bye
Round 14: North Melbourne (MCG) H
Round 15: Collingwood (MCG) H
Round 16: Port Adelaide (MCG) H
Round 17: GWS (MCG) H

Round 18: Geelong (MCG) A
Round 19: Western Bulldogs (MCG) H
Round 20: Adelaide (MCG) H

Round 21: Carlton (MCG) A
Round 22: Essendon (MCG) A
Round 23: Fremantle (MCG) H
 

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