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I've got nothing to back up my thoughts, but I would think Stiffy would rise in performance if he was captain, but it would potentially weigh down Bock.
 
skyfia said:
I've got nothing to back up my thoughts, but I would think Stiffy would rise in performance if he was captain, but it would potentially weigh down Bock.
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I actually think exactly the opposite :D

but VB and Danger for mine

Otten and the Professor (Davis) an outside chance for the future
 
Give the captaincy to Donnelly

To me he seems like a confidence player, and if we thrust extra responsibilties onto him he may take confidence out of it and lift his game to another level that we didn't know he was capable of :cool:
 

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How I would have it:
Knights (C)
VB, Danger, Reilly, Maric, Rutten all in leadership group (although I think leadership groups are overrated).

Most likely scenario would be VB as captain instead which I wouldn't object to (I just hope his body holds up).
 
Who is our version of Nick Maxwell who can embrace and deliver the leadership (on and off field) required of the role AND step up as a player to go from good to excellent?

As much as I like the potential to make a statement with a Dangerfield (ala Carey who took the job young) I'm just not sure that he's done enough yet such that he could balance the extra responsibilities. That said I think he would be perfect in the not too distant future (2-3 years).

I'm not inspired by the van Berlo option - although you could never question his commitment. Also the point about him possibly then occupying the role for too long may be a problem.

The obvious candidates for a transitional captain then have the problem of not actually being in the Leadership Group at the moment (Bock, Thompson).

Perhaps Rutten could fill the role? I actually have a better perception of his current form and output than many BFers...I reckon he's held up pretty well this year all things considered.
 
I'm interested in a smaller leadership group like Port has this year.

Really choose leaders who will consistently provide onfield inspirational leadership.

Choose a captain who does that and can handle the external role well also.
 
ok, seriousness time :cool:

We shouldn't have a captain
We shouldn't even have a leadership group

We shouldn't give a few people a title signifying that they possess a role within the club that apparently others dont

Everyone should carry the weight of leadership and lead by example on and off the field.

Match day captain? send all 22 players in for the toss if we must, show we're unified and no one has special privledges over anyone else

equility, that's what we need.
 
Craigywas asked about leadership around the club in this bad time in his presser.

He pretty much said the same thing, that every player is a leader in their own way.


Not sure how that would work here in the office though. But I get what he means. Essentially dont look to others if you see a problem, fix it yourself.
 
I dont really think the 'not van Berlo because he'll be captain for a long time' argument holds up at all.

Not only is that what we SHOULD want, if we're seeking generational change, but its also not forced to be true. People dont have to be captain until they retire, there are plenty who can give up the captaincy and continue playing for quite some time i.e. Bickley.
 
FlyingCrow said:
Craigywas asked about leadership around the club in this bad time in his presser.

He pretty much said the same thing, that every player is a leader in their own way.


Not sure how that would work here in the office though. But I get what he means. Essentially dont look to others if you see a problem, fix it yourself.
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Or - everyone else is going to be a leader and held accountable for my failure.. so I'll continue to sit back.
 

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Macjoe said:
I don't have any problems with the fact he is not a star - I loved Bickley's captaincy, and everyone said he was just an honest player, with few special football talents.
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This gets said about Bickley quite a bit but we forget he'd had two top three finishes in our B&F prior to being captain.
 
FlyingCrow said:
Brad Symes

Is in the leadership group and Centrals players will tell you is a born leader of men.
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Agreed. Would be a good captain of Centrals. :p

The cupboard is bare.

Knights and van Berlo... always injured.
Bock... always injured, reputation after GF incident?
Thompson is obviously out of favour in terms of leadership ability
Rutten looking slow, game could catch him pretty quick
Dangerfield... durability? Too young anyway, would be unfair on him
Tippett and Porplyzia... good players but don't strike me as the type
Reilly - barely established a first 22 spot
Maric - love him but face of the club :confused:
Johncock - probably not interested

Goodwin 2011. You know it's going to happen.
 
i dont reckon stiffy has the respect of the players, wiht him constantly coming back with excessive skinfolds...
 
Anyone discounting Knights as captain material is kidding themselves. Both he and VB receive favourable off-field reviews, but if you want a captain who's going to set the on-field example, signify that he is in control, elicit a response from the side when the game situation intensifies (not sure about you, but I tire of losing every close game of football we're involved in), Knights is your man.

Goodwin could well be the least inspiring captain in football right now, because as has been pointed out before he's a company man. Plays his footy, plays it well, and off the field he commands respect, but he's not a moment player. VB strikes me in much the same way. I don't want another captain who cannot change our fortunes out there by responding to a moment. Bickley could do it, Ricciuto could, I believe Knights could do it well, but I'm not sold on van Berlo in this respect. Perhaps a more suitable vice captain.
 

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Southerntakeover said:
Uh, no.

Just look at how many games hes played in his career to date, v how many he was eligable for to see how off the mark this is.
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Cmon. Everyone knows he is managing a potentially tricky back injury.

Yes he was very durable through 2005-2008 but that doesn't give us any guide as to whether he is able to manage this injury.
 
Carl Spackler said:
Cmon. Everyone knows he is managing a potentially tricky back injury.

Yes he was very durable through 2005-2008 but that doesn't give us any guide as to whether he is able to manage this injury.
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That is true. Its also not the particular claim you made.

You said always, which implies a pattern where there isnt one.
 
Southerntakeover said:
I dont really think the 'not van Berlo because he'll be captain for a long time' argument holds up at all.

Not only is that what we SHOULD want, if we're seeking generational change, but its also not forced to be true. People dont have to be captain until they retire, there are plenty who can give up the captaincy and continue playing for quite some time i.e. Bickley.
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you know what I interesting about VB as captain, is that many people talk about his leadership, his intangibles etc.

I disagree, I think he's more than good enough in his own right - when he's fit and firing.

He played his best game for the year, and was instrumental against Richmond - it wasn't his intangibles, it was his output we needed.

We don't need to make excuses for him, his best is plenty good enough.
 

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