Captain Judd...

[judd5]

Without sounding like sour grapes because I wish him all the best, I never thought he made a good captain for us. He never seemed to have that quality about him on the field and wasn't always very vocal. Sure, Judd is an amazing player and a pleasure to watch in full flight but perhaps some Carlton supporters are thinking this is the fix the team needed?

When you say that he didn't make a good captain, i just think that he didn't seem like a very vocal captain, which may have been due to the fact that (even he admitted) that Cuzzy was the spiritual leader, and he let him do all of the pre game talks.
As far as leading by example, i think that he makes a top notch captain.

 

[Andyt31]

judd caotain????

Youre kidding....


doesnt he have to prove himself first????

i wouldn't worry just yet its not up to him it up to the match committee they will select who they thinks who can handle the job and not the words of Judd or anyone else whos in for the job

 

[lickmerocks]

judd caotain????

Youre kidding....


doesnt he have to prove himself first????

very good point Heatley.

I would consider Saddington as Skipper.

 

[Makka]

When you say that he didn't make a good captain, i just think that he didn't seem like a very vocal captain, which may have been due to the fact that (even he admitted) that Cuzzy was the spiritual leader, and he let him do all of the pre game talks.
As far as leading by example, i think that he makes a top notch captain.

Oh without a doubt. He definitely lead by example. No questions there! But does Carlton have players that can stand up and do the pre-game talks etc etc? I don't know, perhaps Judd would surprise us and lift a notch in that area? I just think it'd make more sense to have a captain that has been at the club for a few years and has the respect of the playing group (not saying Judd doesn't have that respect) and coaching staff.

 

[Thrawn]

If he is the best leader it is irrellevant that he busted his ass at WC not Carlton.

No it's not, because that doesn't necessarily mean he will replicate that for us.

Who the best leader actually is surely best analyzed and decided by those inside the innur sanctum at Carlton, not us couch potato footy forum posters. May the best leader (whoever Ratts & co deem it to be) get the job..... our opinions are nowhere nearly as well informed as those of our match committee.

This is a football forum. We're here to discuss issues like this, for good or for worse. But you're right, they're not - but the debate is still here. Otherwise what's the point posting, really?

 

[Monkey King]

He was still, by age, a junior member of the WCE outfit when appointed captain and had the spectre of Cousins spiritual leadership looming in the background. With our young list the Blues may have got Judd at just the right time and in the right environment to see his leadership potential flourish.

By the sounds of things Judd already has the respect of the playing group, especially the younger guys, and if he demonstrates the best leadership qualities and is up for the job, why wouldn't you make him captain? Did Barassi have to prove himself in our club colours?

 

[j-top]

hoping it will be either Stevens or Simpson

 

[walshy93]

Couldn't care less who gets it, we have a team of leaders already...all as good as each other

 

[Willow_2000]

Stevo should be captan. Iv got nothing against Judd but hes not what one would call leadership materal at this stage. He never gave pregame talks as Cousins was the sole motivator but i guess he lifted a bit this yr with Cousins absent.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Simmo for mind.
Stevo is going to have enough of a time making sure he stays on the park after a lengthy rest. Judd wants to just play for his new team.
That leaves Simmo who did a great job last year.
Judd will be better as a marketing tool off the field so may get the nod but the group I think will carry the role.

 

[encino]

There's no chance it will be anyone other than Judd or Stevo. All the marketing and stuff heavily features these two... I can't see them appointing someone with a low profile outside the club (eg Simpson) when they are very focussed on reestablishing the Carlton brand.

I also think Fev in the leadership group is excellent. It will feed his ego and will probably help him to get his arse into line, feeling like the boys look up to him

 

[jj1978]

I agree with that stance that the captain should be a player that has worn our jumper previously and has proven himself. But thinking this over in our case at the present time this may not be the best option.

NOT ONE player on our list who has been on our list prior to this upcoming season has done anything to really prove themselves on the main stage.

I saw a team that still relied on too few to get the job done for too many weeks in the last 6 years.

I'm sorry our leadership culture between the Sticks era and 2007 has been apalling, sure no disrespect to Mckay, Ratten, and Bradley (as they were temp captains, who had Sticks as a mentor).

We now have chance for a clean slate... wipe off 2002-2007 as the shyte that it was and evolve this club into fresh and exciting times.

Chris Judd is a professional, he's our highest paid player, and already shown leadership towards our group by influence alone. He has shown that he does not dwell on the past and has the courage to go and get what needs to be done throughout his career. He's too much a professional to find being captain a burden. And seriously the club so far has looked after him well, and is planning on doing so after his retirement, so I think he's an honourable man who will lead us to flag 17,18, and perhaps 19.

Sure Judd may not get back to 100% of what he was... but still at this point in time a 60% Judd is still the best we have.

If not Judd, I think Simpson.

 

[Beloved]

The interview with Fev on Sport Tonight, and most likely other news shows really inked in my mind that Judd is the major candidate for the captaincy role.

Just out of curiosity, does the captaincy have to be selected before any deadline?

If not, why don't we wait until our elimination from the NAB Cup to see where Judd/Stevens/Simpson ect, are at.

 

[Beloved]

Simmo for mind.
Stevo is going to have enough of a time making sure he stays on the park after a lengthy rest. Judd wants to just play for his new team.
That leaves Simmo who did a great job last year.
Judd will be better as a marketing tool off the field so may get the nod but the group I think will carry the role.

I'm with you, I really want to see a young guy in Simpson lead us. He has just shown continuous captaining ability on field, and he's a really vocal and friendly guy.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Trippers still thinking Judd wont be or shouldnt be captain...

I think the players know who is the right man for the job

 

[BlueYoss]

Just out of curiosity, does the captaincy have to be selected before any deadline?

If not, why don't we wait until our elimination from the NAB Cup to see where Judd/Stevens/Simpson ect, are at.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,23100883%5E20322,00.html

Coach Brett Ratten said the match committee would name its captain only after the NAB Cup, with each player in the streamlined group to lead the team at times during the pre-season competition.

He said the club hadn't ruled out appointing co-captains, but favours a single leader.

Ratten says last year's 11-man leadership team had been too unwieldy, with the match committee to now take over the decision on the captaincy.

"It will be as late as possible," he said.

"As we go through all the practice matches and all the games we have, each individual player will get to lead the team, even if it's only for half a game, and then someone else will step in, so we get to see their qualities in action."

 

[Beloved]

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,23100883%5E20322,00.html

God, they picked the worst picture to put up for that article!

"As we go through all the practice matches and all the games we have, each individual player will get to lead the team, even if it's only for half a game, and then someone else will step in, so we get to see their qualities in action."

Interesting to note. Thanks for that BY.

 

[Crippa#9]

I don't know why there is even debate about this.

Judd is perhaps the best leader to grace the club for many a year. Have a look at the guy's credentials plus he's only 24. No question Chris Judd should and will be Captain of the Carlton football club. Stevo his deputy.

 

[Beloved]

I don't know why there is even debate about this.

Judd is perhaps the best leader to grace the club for many a year. Have a look at the guy's credentials plus he's only 24. No question Chris Judd should and will be Captain of the Carlton football club. Stevo his deputy.

Chris Judd has acheived many things, but none at Carlton. A new club is a new beginning, and Judd has none of these 'paper' acheivements as a Carlton player.

 

[Monkey King]

Chris Judd has acheived many things, but none at Carlton. A new club is a new beginning, and Judd has none of these 'paper' acheivements as a Carlton player.

And this has relevance how exactly? As long as he has the respect of the playing group, which it appears he does, and if he is deemed the best player for the job, then by all rights give it to the man.

 

[Thrawn]

And this has relevance how exactly? As long as he has the respect of the playing group, which it appears he does, and if he is deemed the best player for the job, then by all rights give it to the man.

It's relevant to everything. Action speaks louder than words.

Let him do it on the field, let us give him the chance to show himself as a leader while actually playing games of football before just throwing it to him. Having the respect of players for your football abilities and your good work ethic on the training track needs to be backed up by actual on field results, that is, on field leadership with these players.

That is a hurdle that, IMO, he needs to pass before we should be making him captain.

 

[Silvagnis]

The players voted for Judd to be in leadership group and have even stopped what they're doing to watch him running laps at training.

What more needs to be said?

They're in the thick of it at every training session and have the luxury of watching him train up close and personal. Judd a great guy from what I hear and hasn't put a foot wrong since arriving at Carlton.

Why are we still arguing this?

This isn't the Pagan era where Carlton players such as Whitnall and Kouta were rewarded with the captaincy and didn't deliver on and off the field as Captains. Kouta and Whitnall didn't have what it takes to be Captain, yet they would have been made captain using the argument they've played for Carlton. Your best player should be Captain if he's a hard working player who doesn't take short cuts like Fev and Lance.

Is Judd a player his teammates won't follow or try to emulate?

No.

End of discussion.

 

[THE AISSASSIN]

The players voted for Judd to be in leadership group and have even stopped what they're doing to watch him running laps at training.

What more needs to be said?

They're in the thick of it at every training session and have the luxury of watching him train up close and personal. Judd a great guy from what I hear and hasn't put a foot wrong since arriving at Carlton.

Why are we still arguing this?

This isn't the Pagan era where Carlton players such as Whitnall and Kouta were rewarded with the captaincy and didn't deliver on and off the field as Captains. Kouta and Whitnall didn't have what it takes to be Captain, yet they would have been made captain using the argument they've played for Carlton. Your best player should be Captain if he's a hard working player who doesn't take short cuts like Fev and Lance.

Is Judd a player his teammates won't follow or try to emulate?

No.

End of discussion.

Im with you TG.....especially if he has support of the older guys as well as the younger ones.

It would also enhance the feeling a new era to the club that has languished at the bottom with poor leadership.

The doubts expressed by some that Judd will not bust his ass on and off the field, or put his body on the line for us seem ridiculous to me.

 

[Monkey King]

It's relevant to everything. Action speaks louder than words.

Let him do it on the field, let us give him the chance to show himself as a leader while actually playing games of football before just throwing it to him. Having the respect of players for your football abilities and your good work ethic on the training track needs to be backed up by actual on field results, that is, on field leadership with these players.

That is a hurdle that, IMO, he needs to pass before we should be making him captain.

If he didn't have onfield results to back it up I would agree with you. However his onfield results are what sets him apart from the rest of the AFL. That he has performed these feats wearing a different colour jumper means little to me. As I said earlier, did Barassi have to prove himself in Navy Blue?

Apart from Simpson, the other genuine contenders have had their chance in one way or another and not been up to the task.

 

[Crippa#9]

Chris Judd has acheived many things, but none at Carlton. A new club is a new beginning, and Judd has none of these 'paper' acheivements as a Carlton player.

This would have to be the most ridiculous post I've just about seen.

You find me - a premiership captain, Norm Smith, Brownlow and most importantly AFL MVP medallist (awarded by his peers - which included Carlton players) and a guy that has the respect amongst the whole playing group, - that was already playing for the Blues before Judd had joined them and I'd consider him.

The best 'leader' of a group should be elected leader in anything not just football particulalry if the leader has the respect of teammates or workmates.

"paper achievments".......what a stupid, stupid thing to say.