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King Elvis said:
Tex and Lynch were ahead of him. Porps wrongly in front of him.

That's all.
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Riiggghhtt.. so why then has he only played 1 game, while the rest of them have played around 50 in the same time?

Feel free to admit that you're wrong.. it's not as painful as it seems.
 
King Elvis said:
Since when were McKernan and Jenkins comparable players to LJ?

I know the reason, and I've told you it; his attitude is shit house, has a huge opinion of himself.

Hopefully aiof is right about him waking up to himself.
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Dont we want a KPF to have an over inflated ego and confidence. Look at the swagger that the super forwards of the comp have.
 

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The intangible impact the man with the captain's title turning the ball over in diabolical circumstances to hand the opposition momentum is too much to bear. In business, it is proven that naming and reiteration of goals improves performance without any other action taken. VB, simply by being captain, hurts the side more when he pulls the sort of crap he did in that last quarter.

He is such a terrible player. Inconsistent tagger and no other skills.
 
Johnston was unlucky to get injured when he did. He would have gotten some games this year, SANFL form has been good too. I hope he gets a run in the latter part of the season. I'm sick of speculating. If he's no good, I can live with that but can we at least give him a few games?
 
Vader said:
7th worst sounds about right. Still leaves 1/3 of the team as being worse than him.. in what was easily his worst game in well over a month.
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I didnt revive this thread because of one game though. Statistically VBs entire season is his worst since he was a 20 year old kid with 30 games under his belt.
 
Vader said:
Riiggghhtt.. so why then has he only played 1 game, while the rest of them have played around 50 in the same time?

Feel free to admit that you're wrong.. it's not as painful as it seems.
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As a mod practising what you preach would be handy, so care to explain your change of heart after 8 minutes regarding Van Berlo?
 
Pilchard_Adams said:
I didnt revive this thread because of one game though. Statistically VBs entire season is his worst since he was a 20 year old kid with 30 games under his belt.
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No argument. I'd be interested to see how many others are having their worst seasons in a long time.

I suspect that Mackay, Thompson, Porplyzia, Jacobs and several others would be in the same boat. A bit hard to say for some, given that the form lines of 1/3 of our current team only go back 12-24 months.
 
Mr_Moogle said:
Johnston was unlucky to get injured when he did. He would have gotten some games this year, SANFL form has been good too. I hope he gets a run in the latter part of the season. I'm sick of speculating. If he's no good, I can live with that but can we at least give him a few games?
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Maybe.. maybe not. Would have taken a complete reversal of form by the selectors for this to come true. He had good SANFL form last year (better than his 2013 form) and they ignored him then. Walker's injury is the only variable to have changed since then (and he missed large chunks of 2012 through suspension).

I think it will be very informative to see if he gets selected on Thursday night. If not, then I think we can draw some fairly obvious conclusions.
 
It is sad we are mostly bashing a Crow and incredibly a captain too.

I think if he was not the captain of our club, he may even improve on his performance with the knowledge he could be dropped any week which would have happened this year.

He is the worst captain ever at our club and when we see Danger and Sloane move into the C and VC next year we will improve as a team.

I cannot think currently or recent past, a hard tagger being assigned the role of captain of their club.
 
GROTTO said:
I cannot think currently or recent past, a hard tagger being assigned the role of captain of their club.
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Vader said:
Maybe.. maybe not. Would have taken a complete reversal of form by the selectors for this to come true. He had good SANFL form last year (better than his 2013 form) and they ignored him then. Walker's injury is the only variable to have changed since then (and he missed large chunks of 2012 through suspension).

I think it will be very informative to see if he gets selected on Thursday night. If not, then I think we can draw some fairly obvious conclusions.
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They ignored him last year because we had Tippett and Walker.

Fair Dinkum. Do you even know what colours the Crows wear?
 
Team DJ said:
They ignored him last year because we had Tippett and Walker.

Fair Dinkum. Do you even know what colours the Crows wear?
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That excuse just doesn't hold water. Tiprat missed a heap of games due to concussion. Walker missed a heap due to suspension. McKernan, JJ & Lynch played 23 games between them as a result. LJ played 1.

If they wanted to select him then they had abundant opportunities to do so. They didn't.

LJ has been on our list for 37 rounds so far. He's missed 7 of them this year due to injury. I don't recall whether he was injured or not last year, but I'm guessing he didn't miss too many games given how highly he featured in the Ken Farmer medal. That's 30 games for which he could have been selected. He's been selected ONCE - a 3.33% selection rate.

No other 5th year player on our list has played so few games - not even Martin, or the permanently injured Sam Shaw.
 
Vader could you or others explain the logic of not selecting LJ. I have tried to follow his career in the SANFL and it suggests he could play AFL well.

Im hoping the club gives him a solid run. That way it will be nice to enter 2014 with forwards being fit and available and importantly that can score.

Imagine a player like JJ or Lynch getting the 3rd or 4th best defender.
 
GROTTO said:
Vader could you or others explain the logic of not selecting LJ. I have tried to follow his career in the SANFL and it suggests he could play AFL well.

Im hoping the club gives him a solid run. That way it will be nice to enter 2014 with forwards being fit and available and importantly that can score.

Imagine a player like JJ or Lynch getting the 3rd or 4th best defender.
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Quite simply, the selectors don't seem to think he's good enough to play AFL football. They see him perform at training (and his performances in the SANFL) and they seem to think that he's lacking.

I'm not in a position to say what it is that he's lacking. Some have suggested that he has problems with his attitude. Others have suggested that he lacks intensity or that he lacks the weapons required to succeed at the top level (though his weapons are obviously more than adequate at the SANFL level). I leave that judgement to those who have seen more of him than I (noting that the only time I've seen him play was when he made his club debut last year).

I sincerely doubt that he'll be on our list in 2014. He's now in his 5th season on an AFL list and doesn't appear to be any closer to AFL selection than the day he was drafted. 3 games in 5 years. People will argue that talls take longer to develop.. but those who do develop always show something before then. You can (maybe) build a case for Smack being a late developer.. there is no such case for LJ.

I'd like to see him given a go in the last few weeks of the season - even if it's just so that we can know what it is that we're delisting at year's end. Selecting him though would require the AFC selectors to undergo a complete reversal of policy where this particular player is concerned.
 
Vader said:
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I'd like to see him given a go in the last few weeks of the season - even if it's just so that we can know what it is that we're delisting at year's end. Selecting him though would require the AFC selectors to undergo a complete reversal of policy where this particular player is concerned.
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Agreed.

Our Club should be shot though if we delist LJ before giving him a run of games and he ends up being a competent forward at another club, heaven forbid an above average forward.
 
There is a great article on NPD on News.com today......

I physically cannot read vader's posts anymore - as soon as I see that avatar, my eyes glaze over, and my finger automatically scrolls to the next post....
 

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Vader said:
Riiggghhtt.. so why then has he only played 1 game, while the rest of them have played around 50 in the same time?

Feel free to admit that you're wrong.. it's not as painful as it seems.
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... Because Tex and Lynch and Porps are in front of him, like I said?

The first time he genuinely had an opportunity; this year; he was injured.

Jenkins and SMcK aren't comparable players, so mentioning them is irrelevant.

It's not that hard to figure out.

Quite simply, the selectors don't seem to think he's good enough to play AFL football. They see him perform at training (and his performances in the SANFL) and they seem to think that he's lacking.
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Myself, and others, have told you repeatedly that there are concerns over his attitude - that's not an opinion, it's a fact.

You're so quick to want to proclaim that everybody is about to be delisted, it's complete crap. It's not a case of play 15 games a year plus, or be delisted.

And using our selection this year, which has been dismal, as proof of anything, is a stretch.
 
King Elvis said:
... Because Tex and Lynch and Porps are in front of him, like I said?

The first time he genuinely had an opportunity; this year; he was injured.

Jenkins and SMcK aren't comparable players, so mentioning them is irrelevant.

It's not that hard to figure out.
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Look Kingy, it's clear what we have to do. Delist the 193cm 22 year old forward who could also play in defence, and offer another contract to Callinan.
 
King Elvis said:
... Because Tex and Lynch and Porps are in front of him, like I said?
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And Smack.. and JJ and.. well, pretty much everyone else except for Joyce.
King Elvis said:
The first time he genuinely had an opportunity; this year; he was injured.
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He wasn't available for R1-5? If they wanted to give him an opportunity then they would have. They could have done so at any time (pre-injury). How many other players have been given opportunities in the last 18 months?
King Elvis said:
Jenkins and SMcK aren't comparable players, so mentioning them is irrelevant.
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Garbage. Just like LJ they are KPP forwards first and foremost. With Smack in the side JJ is barely doing any ruck work at all and Smack wouldn't be in the side at all if Walker (a pure forward) wasn't injured. These players (plus Lynch & Porps) are all fighting for the same position. When it comes to selection, LJ is a very, very, very distant last.
 

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