Captain VB

[Team DJ]

Boomer carved the cats up last week.

Not bad for a 35 year old.

VB was very instrumental in getting the W today. Bag him when he s bad, but don't when he plays his role to help us win.

VB was in our top 5 today.

Sloane Talia Laird Crouch Danger Jacobs

Who comes Out of that 6?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Sloane Talia Laird Crouch Danger Jacobs

Who comes Out of that 6?

Sadly Laird as if Harvey has a big game, that goes along way towards north Melb winning and dominating the clearances.

 

[jangofett]

How can we have a captain that we don't want to touch the ball? As much as he did a good job stopping Harvey, the fact remains he has had a woeful year, and he is the last person in the team we want having the ball. Dangerfield captain

 

[Team DJ]

Sadly Laird as if Harvey has a big game, that goes along way towards north Melb winning and dominating the clearances.

Even so. That still isnt top 5

 

[jangofett]

Sadly Laird as if Harvey has a big game, that goes along way towards north Melb winning and dominating the clearances.

Our captain needs to get the tap on the shoulder, there's no other option.

 

[jackster83]

Sloane Talia Laird Crouch Danger Jacobs

Who comes Out of that 6?

Don't forget Douglas either.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

How can we have a captain that we don't want to touch the ball? As much as he did a good job stopping Harvey, the fact remains he has had a woeful year, and he is the last person in the team we want having the ball. Dangerfield captain

This is actually the sad reality... we can't even trust our captain with the ball.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

LOL - Dangerfield isn't captain yet.

He butchered the ball many times today but let's lay shit on VB as thats the cool thing.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

He tagged a 35 year old. Yay!!!!! Still didnt get any possesions
Shouldve played on their best player and game breaker Wells.

It IS an indictment on North that Harvey is still their most influential player, but he is and VB cut him out of the game.

I've been on VB's case for his form this year but he was good today. Put his body on the line a few times too, like the VB of old.

Shame about that chest mark at the end though.

 

[BigLefty]

overall it was an excellent job today by VB. and he's done a great shut down job for us pretty much every week lately.

he's sacrificed his game immensely recently to help the team. the stopping jobs he's been able to do recently have been on par with Crowley IMO. but he's not a total w***er while doing it.

 

[cmndstab]

I can't believe people are damning VB for tagging Harvey rather than Wells. Firstly, Harvey is an exceptional player who has just completed a month of footy as dominant as any in his career. Secondly, VB doesn't choose who he tags! His performance was match-saving today. I can't remember Harvey ever having as minimal an impact on a match against the Crows.

 

[cmndstab]

but he's not a total ****** while doing it.

Don't know about that I reckon he's been a bit angrier as of late. Every chance he gets to hurt someone he's taking it. That contest early up in the game when he beat someone from behind (couldn't see who it was from my vantage point, probably Harvey?) by getting around them, giving them a solid bump and grabbing ahold of the footy was beautiful. THAT'S the VB I want to see!

 

[Sanders]

LOL - Dangerfield isn't captain yet.

He butchered the ball many times today but let's lay shit on VB as thats the cool thing.

Dangerfield:
25 touches
13 inside 50's
6 clearances
2 clangers
10 contested possessions

Van B
12 touches
2 inside 50's
1 clearance
4 clangers
6 contested possessions

Going against the crowd isn't the cool, independent, free thinking attitude you seem to think sometimes

The crowd have this one spot on

 

[Sanders]

I can't believe people are damning VB for tagging Harvey rather than Wells. Firstly, Harvey is an exceptional player who has just completed a month of footy as dominant as any in his career. Secondly, VB doesn't choose who he tags! His performance was match-saving today. I can't remember Harvey ever having as minimal an impact on a match against the Crows.

Harvey in 25 games against only averages 20 touches in his career. He had 16 today, lets not make it out to be some historic shut down job

 

[Mattrox]

Dangerfield:
25 touches
13 inside 50's
6 clearances
2 clangers
10 contested possessions

Van B
12 touches
2 inside 50's
1 clearance
4 clangers
6 contested possessions

Going against the crowd isn't the cool, independent, free thinking attitude you seem to think sometimes

The crowd have this one spot on

Two of the three missed shots on goal in the last quarter don't count as clangers, but I consider burning the ball. One of them Danger had a man on in front but he took the shot from the angle. 2nd miss he was rushed but did't even look for the option. 3rd miss he did steady, so that one I won't count as burnt. You can burn the ball and have it not count as a clanger. And the fact that he didn't look for the option needs to be considered.

VB also had 2 free against. So really he turned the ball over from disposal twice just like Dangerfield.

 

[Mattrox]

Harvey in 25 games against only averages 20 touches in his career. He had 16 today, lets not make it out to be some historic shut down job

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/B/Brent_Harvey.html

Scroll down to the bottom. Look at disposals..... look at vs Freo and look at the following games, then us. Then look over in the bounces column... look at Vs. Freo then look over all the games down to us. Then come back and say VB did an ordinary job. He completely negated any run from Harvey that he had in those other games.

 

[Sanders]

Two of the three missed shots on goal in the last quarter don't count as clangers, but I consider burning the ball. One of them Danger had a man on in front but he took the shot from the angle. 2nd miss he was rushed but did't even look for the option. 3rd miss he did steady, so that one I won't count as burnt. You can burn the ball and have it not count as a clanger. And the fact that he didn't look for the option needs to be considered.

VB also had 2 free against. So really he turned the ball over from disposal twice just like Dangerfield.

I'm not really interested in Matt's own stats

13 inside 50's is a monumental number by the way

 

[Sanders]

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/B/Brent_Harvey.html

Scroll down to the bottom. Look at disposals..... look at vs Freo and look at the following games, then us. Then look over in the bounces column... look at Vs. Freo then look over all the games down to us. Then come back and say VB did an ordinary job. He completely negated any run from Harvey that he had in those other games.

So what about your post contradicts anything I said?

 

[Mattrox]

I'm not really interested in Matt's own stats

13 inside 50's is a monumental number by the way

hahahahaha they aren't my stats. They are Harvey's and his stats with VB tagging him are considerably down.

It's funny that you can't acknowledge that VB played a solid game. No one is arguing he's perfect, but it is the hieght of pig-headedness to keep slamming his performances when he did a good job. He shut Harvey down.

Many say he should lose the captaincy, when the person these many want to replace him has similar questions. Questions, I have been asking since the Richmond game. Let Dangerfield sort out his game before we prematurely select him as captain. He is still young, he'll be able to develop his game with experience. I'm not discounting that Dangerfield did a lot of good thing during the game. And sometimes he gets criticised unfairly when he's extracting the ball from difficult contests etc. Yes 13 I50's is a monumental effort. He would still have 13 if he passed off and got 2 GA's too.

VB had a shocking run early. His injury didn't help his cause. Since the Sydney game his performances have been building. The way he stood up to whoever it was in the pocket near the boundary was great.

 

[Sanders]

hahahahaha they aren't my stats. They are Harvey's and his stats with VB tagging him are considerably down.

It's funny that you can't acknowledge that VB played a solid game. No one is arguing he's perfect, but it is the hieght of pig-headedness to keep slamming his performances when he did a good job. He shut Harvey down.

Many say he should lose the captaincy, when the person these many want to replace him has similar questions. Questions, I have been asking since the Richmond game. Let Dangerfield sort out his game before we prematurely select him as captain. He is still young, he'll be able to develop his game with experience. I'm not discounting that Dangerfield did a lot of good thing during the game. And sometimes he gets criticised unfairly when he's extracting the ball from difficult contests etc. Yes 13 I50's is a monumental effort. He would still have 13 if he passed off and got 2 GA's too.

VB had a shocking run early. His injury didn't help his cause. Since the Sydney game his performances have been building. The way he stood up to whoever it was in the pocket near the boundary was great.

I don't think he did have a good game.

Harvey hasn't been tagged most weeks, and I recommend you look at harvey's stats against us in 2012 & 2011

Maybe you are looking too hard to find something to support the club staff on?

 

[Firewalker]

An ok effort but definitely didn't deserve all the plaudiits he got from Sando in the presser, it was important to quell Harvey's influence early in the game but even though he's still a good player and his last month looks good paper he's still an ageing player who does fade out in the second halves of games.

So in yesterday's game it can be argued that Sando's stubbornness to change key match-ups in the middle and VB not taking responsibility to stop the most influential player in the midfield occured once again this year as he should of maybe been moved onto Wells in the 2nd half when Harvey moved forward but instead he stuck with the job he was given at the start of the game which just led to both he and Harvey becoming non-factors, so it can be argued that VB did his job well then as Harvey being a non-factor hurts the roos more than VB being a non-factor for the Crows does, however VB's inability to hurt his direct opponent going the other way reared it's head again and if anything he cost us a couple of goals while in defence.

So I thought it was definitely more of a six of one, half a dozen of the other game from our esteemed leader rather then the match winning effort Sando made it out to be.

 

[dylan123]

Dougy has had a great year but he's struggled to break a tag. His trade value would never have been higher.

Really shouldn't matter that much if our other midfielders play the way they have/we expect them to. Douglas got the tag due to Dangerfield missing, guys like Sloane, Crouch etc are all dangerous in their own right and should only get better. If Douglas struggles with the tag, so be in, it means guys like Dangerfield are running free. If Dangerfield (or another of our mids) gets the tag and Douglas plays like he has for the majority of this season (bar the couple of times he's been tagged) then I'm more then happy with his output.

Really, this is the first time he's ever gotten a tag (previous couple of weeks excluding yesterdays game) so it's to be expected he'd struggle with it at first, for all we know he might learn to break it with a bit more thought going to ways to doing that.

I'm all for moving guys like Reilly, Van Berlo etc for younger players/draft picks but I don't think Douglas is in the same boat as them (based on this season and his 2011 season (if it's 2012 season then he's not much good)) and I wouldn't be looking to openly trade him unless we get an amazing offer for him.

 

[adelaidecrows]

I think now is without doubt the right time for Dangerfield to be made captain. three seasons ago when VB was made captain Danger wasn't ready. But now he is and the boys clearly follow him into battle. He is at the right age that he could lead the crows for the next decade. Dangerfield Captain, Rory Sloan Vice Captain. perfect!

I think VB is as of next season start struggling to keep his spot in the 22. He is very much along the lines of Cassisi. Not in the best 22 but the 23rd, 24th player you would bring in.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Dangerfield:
25 touches
13 inside 50's
6 clearances
2 clangers
10 contested possessions

Van B
12 touches
2 inside 50's
1 clearance
4 clangers
6 contested possessions

Going against the crowd isn't the cool, independent, free thinking attitude you seem to think sometimes

The crowd have this one spot on

Those stats must be wrong as Danger had far more than 2 poor disposals yesterday. He was really struggling in the 2nd half - gather his shoulder is still playing up as didn't look himself. Only played on the ball in bursts - looks down on fitness/playing sore.

VB had more of an influence on yesterday's contest by negating the influence of Harvey.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Those stats must be wrong as Danger had far more than 2 poor disposals yesterday. He was really struggling in the 2nd half - gather his shoulder is still playing up as didn't look himself. Only played on the ball in bursts - looks down on fitness/playing sore.

VB had more of an influence on yesterday's contest by negating the influence of Harvey.

I had a sense too that something was up. his skills were average and sometimes it looked like he was in pain and could barely muster up a jog. did do a lot of running though so could simply have been fu$cked.