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Rutten for captain. The man mountain commands respect and get's it from his team mates. I would like to see a long term appointment and he is the only one capable at the moment. No matter how we rate Goodwin's indescretions they are there and can't be ignored, and this tips it in Rutten's favour.

As long as we don't go down the more than one captain route :thumbsdown:
 
My problem with Goodwin as captain is his off field indiscretions that came out earlier this year. It shows bad judgment on his behalf and sets a poor tone for the team. By no means am I trying to portray him as Benny Cousins or anything, but I still think it should disqualify him from the role. The age factor isn't huge, but goes against the current approach of the club IMO.
 
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Stiffy_18 said:
Why?! Because he is not in a certain age group?! :rolleyes:

Fact is that Goodwin is the one best qualified to be our captain now and he did a pretty fine job this year standing in for Roo afters a pre-season of controversy.

Fact is that players choose the leaders and their captain and that is absolutely the way it should be because they need someone that they feel they can look up to and follow. People will point to his gambling incident but even after that, the players still saw Goodwin as the right person to lead them.

Some will suggest that the coach should choose the captain and that would be hypocritical. Once you are committed to a certain leadership model and you have gone a long way down the path of following that model, and its been working well for you, it would be hypocritical to change just so some can be satisfied with a young captain.
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Despite all of those facts...and I agree with all of them, I just think the club will go with Ben Rutten b4 Goody because its a longer term thing; and I'd be happy with that.
 

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Hell what happened to Van Berlo ....did he pinch a party balloon? :p

He was the rage for captain along with Thompson mid season.

Who in the media is pushing the Rutten bandwagon .......this sudden push has to be more than a coincidence
 
Wayne's-World said:
Hell what happened to Van Berlo ....did he pinch a party balloon? :p

He was the rage for captain along with Thompson mid season.

Who in the media is pushing the Rutten bandwagon .......this sudden push has to be more than a coincidence
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VB's still a bit young I would have thought, only his 4th year next year and hasn't been a part of the leadership group yet either, give him a couple more years, definitely, but not yet. Currently Rutten and perhaps Thompson are the only younger blokes close to ready, maybe a Reilly, Bock or your van Berlo in a year or so. My concerns on Thompson are his brain fades, which granted occur less and less, still occur.

Whilst Rutten I think could do a great job, media wise he hasn't done a lot and doesn't have a lot of experience i wouldn't have thought, I really think Goodwin should get it for 2 years until what will probably be the end of his career.

Give me Goodwin as Captain, with a leadership group of perhaps Edwards, Basset, Rutten, Thompson, van Berlo, Reilly and perhaps a Burton or a Mcleod, although i'm not sure whether he wants to or not. That way the likes of Rutten, Thompson, van Berlo and Reilly can have a bit of an apprentiship as leaders before one takes the big step and becomes the leader.

PS. we better not have more than 1 captain, that would be the worst possible out come.
 
I don't think there is a push in the media WW - just some posters on here that are thinking he is the best option as he is older than VB.

There are those of us that believe the VB is right up there in the coaches thinking but it is the players that decide on the leadership group and ultimately the captain.

Nothing on the leadership groups and captaincy will be done until January I would suggest.
 
Ive been advocating Goody all along, but the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Macca getting the gig. If the AA selectors think he's worthy of captaining the AA team, why the hell not. He's a superstar, he's got all the boxes ticked and is a great bloke too. Above all I reckon he could handle the role without it effecting his personal on field performance, something I reckon the young lads might not be able to do.

Just on the young guys... I reckon VB is too young and too inexperienced in too many areas. Wouldnt think he'd be in the running just yet. Thomo seems to have many of the attributes but I do think it would be detremental to his performance, something we can afford as he is IMO the key to our midfield going into 2008/9. Rutten, while he is a good candidate, I believe has his hands full holding the oppositions best forward week in week out. The captaincy could be too bigger burden to carry with his vital role week in week out. Reilly is the one many seem to ignore. He has very similar attributes to Thomo. Probably too much expected of him in the next 2 years to carry the captaincy can too.

I think all of these young guys could do a good job, but I reckon we need better than good, we need greatness steering our club through what will be a difficuly couple of years. Thats why in my mind its Goody or Macca.
 
Crowked said:
Ive been advocating Goody all along, but the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Macca getting the gig. If the AA selectors think he's worthy of captaining the AA team, why the hell not. He's a superstar, he's got all the boxes ticked and is a great bloke too. Above all I reckon he could handle the role without it effecting his personal on field performance, something I reckon the young lads might not be able to do.

Just on the young guys... I reckon VB is too young and too inexperienced in too many areas. Wouldnt think he'd be in the running just yet. Thomo seems to have many of the attributes but I do think it would be detremental to his performance, something we can afford as he is IMO the key to our midfield going into 2008/9. Rutten, while he is a good candidate, I believe has his hands full holding the oppositions best forward week in week out. The captaincy could be too bigger burden to carry with his vital role week in week out. Reilly is the one many seem to ignore. He has very similar attributes to Thomo. Probably too much expected of him in the next 2 years to carry the captaincy can too.

I think all of these young guys could do a good job, but I reckon we need better than good, we need greatness steering our club through what will be a difficuly couple of years. Thats why in my mind its Goody or Macca.
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But surely the best thing a captain to do to lift his team is play a huge game and do all the hard stuff. Plus, the leadership group these days covers the whole ground, so there's no issue in him being stuck down the other end of the ground. The way he has built and commanded such a stellar defence unit around is a tribute to what a brilliant player he is.
 
KUNG FU said:
But surely the best thing a captain to do to lift his team is play a huge game and do all the hard stuff. Plus, the leadership group these days covers the whole ground, so there's no issue in him being stuck down the other end of the ground. The way he has built and commanded such a stellar defence unit around is a tribute to what a brilliant player he is.
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I wouldn't quite go so far as to say he's built and commanded our defence he's definitely a great leader back there and does a stellar job week in week out, but he has definitely had a lot of support with blokes such as Basset, Mcleod, Hart, Johncock and Torney back there for a vast majority of his career, 4 of which have all spent time in the leadership group.
 
James_37 said:
I wouldn't quite go so far as to say he's built and commanded our defence he's definitely a great leader back there and does a stellar job week in week out, but he has definitely had a lot of support with blokes such as Basset, Mcleod, Hart, Johncock and Torney back there for a vast majority of his career, 4 of which have all spent time in the leadership group.
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I'm not doubting any of those players abilities, but the impact that Rutten's injury had on the side this year was huge. I can't recall any Crows player's absence having such an impact on performance of the whole team like that.
 
West Coast have named Darren Glass as captain for next season. Guess they don't have an issue with a full back as captain. Give Rutten the gig. :thumbsu:
 
I think its a big risk not to appoint the person who should naturally be Captain. Its obviously Goody. It would be great to have a kid to be Captain but we dont have a young Wayne Carey, Michael Voss or Roo. Look at the redbacks as an example. They tried making someone who wasnt ready the Captain in Adcock. It now looks like his career is in tatters. There is no rush to have a long term skipper. Goody deserves it and it wont impact him on field. In two years time I guarantee you either Rutten, VB, Thommo or Reilly will become obvious choices, at the moment only Goody is. dont put the pressure of being skipper on someone who isnt quite ready. If we had to go for someone other than goody for whatever reason, then Rutten would be my choice.
 

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Campbell's Chunky said:
Andrew Mcleod has more years left than Goodwin IMO.
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But McLeod has come out and publicly said that he doesn't want to be the captain of the club and that being in the leadership group has never felt comfortable for him.

Why appoint someone that doesn't want to be the captain. I think McLeod would make a great captain and I was extremly impressed with the way he led that Australian side against the Irish going back a couple of years. He really showed great leadership but since he doesn't want it, he shouldn't get it.
 
i'd like to see goodwin finish his career as captain of the adelaide crows
he definitely deserves it
then once he retires he can pass the captaincy on to either brent reilly or ben rutten.
 
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I think Goody should be the next capt for the next couple of years. He's got the respect on and off field. The next couple of years are gunna be a roller coaster I feel, giving the capt to a young bloke could be damaging. These times call for an older head.

Of the younger blokes I feel Truck or Thomo are the heirs apparent. Not convinced of VB or Knights yet, they still seem to be finding their place on the field, and leadership could be too big a burden and could stop them playing at their best.
 
KUNG FU said:
I'm not doubting any of those players abilities, but the impact that Rutten's injury had on the side this year was huge. I can't recall any Crows player's absence having such an impact on performance of the whole team like that.
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Most definitely, his absence was huge and at the moment he is one of, if not the most important player in our side. I just wouldn't say he built the defence, he was the foundation around which our defence was built, without him we struggle, in terms of leading the defence i'm sure that others, such as Mcleod, Basset, Hart have had just as much if not more of a say.
 

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