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Dual cab utes actually kinda suck. Good for some things but if you don't regularly need the tray then they are pretty impractical. The back seat is small and usually uncomfortable and you have zero cargo space other than that. So if you are lugging around bales of hay or trail bikes or whatever then great, but if you have kid seats and the 17 bags of stuff that seem to go with ferrying kids around then pretty much all of it ends up in a tray exposed to the elements.

I'd say 9/10 people are better off with a wagon than a ute. Even something like a Toyota Hilux/Fortuner which are effectively the same car with a different body you're better off with the flexibility of the wagon. I've had a couple of wagons over the last 6-7 years after having a sedan and it's been great. I'd only ever buy a sedan again if it was a fun one. Saw a very sleek Mercedes C63 AMG the other day. If you didn't know what you were looking at you could think it was just a regular 4 door sedan. But the 19 inch rims, steering wheel sized brake rotors and 'V8 biturbo' badge on the quarter panel gave it away. But then that's about $180-200k worth of car...
There is a big advantage in 4 X 4 duel cabs in that they are exempt from FBT.
I have a V6 Amarok which is a great vehicle that suits me perfectly.
Kids are gone, great off-road, tows the boat well, drives well, throw the bike and the dog in the back.
No way I'd be getting a 4wd company vehicle without the FBT concession. Actually works out cheaper for the company over a 4 year lease than a Commodore.
 

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Which model? Fair bit of difference between a Grand Cherokee and a Patriot.
Its a pity because a Wrangler is a good size and goes well offroad but poor reliability they feel horrible to drive.
Was different Wranglers. Whilst you have to be lenient due to it being a rental and coping undoubted abuse, one had very low miles and still drove like my old mans boat launcher series 2 Land Rover that had a red 202 and no brakes.
 

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Holden (I'm not read up about recently but definitely in the 60s - 70s) had aspirations at the forefront of automotive development that were either roadblocked directly or indirectly by having some Yank reassigned out to Australia to head Holden up.
From what I've been told, from the 90's onwards Holden was fairly committed to making something work in Australia right up until the GFC, and the plans they had were of tasking the Holden operation with the design of the large, rear wheel drive platforms for the Commodore, Camaro, potentially some US-built sedans and some Cadillac models also with the vision that the Commodore would be exported to the US and Mid East. When they went bankrupt they threw all of that out the window and Holden was left with nothing

Ford was looking for an excuse to exit Australia for a while. They tried it on in the mid-90's when they sold the Taurus alongside the Falcon (LOL) and the rumour is they made the decision to phase out the Falcon when the AU tanked. Ford Australia basically received nothing from Detroit when they were designing the FG and they stopped advertising the Falcon on TV entirely, soon after the FG was released.

I think if one of Holden or Ford had have stayed then Toyota probably would have kept trucking along as well, assembling Hybrid Camry's for government fleets and making a tidy profit. It's a shame it all fell apart at once.
 

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Thoughts on Proton Jumbucks? Mate's old man reckons his deal of 2 grand to me's pretty good.
From someone who's lived in Malaysia and driven quite a few Protons, don't.
The only worse option would be a Perodua, made famous by Jeremy Clarkson, which subsequently got him banned from Malaysia because of what he did to it.
 

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From what I've been told, from the 90's onwards Holden was fairly committed to making something work in Australia right up until the GFC, and the plans they had were of tasking the Holden operation with the design of the large, rear wheel drive platforms for the Commodore, Camaro, potentially some US-built sedans and some Cadillac models also with the vision that the Commodore would be exported to the US and Mid East. When they went bankrupt they threw all of that out the window and Holden was left with nothing

Ford was looking for an excuse to exit Australia for a while. They tried it on in the mid-90's when they sold the Taurus alongside the Falcon (LOL) and the rumour is they made the decision to phase out the Falcon when the AU tanked. Ford Australia basically received nothing from Detroit when they were designing the FG and they stopped advertising the Falcon on TV entirely, soon after the FG was released.

I think if one of Holden or Ford had have stayed then Toyota probably would have kept trucking along as well, assembling Hybrid Camry's for government fleets and making a tidy profit. It's a shame it all fell apart at once.
The FG was so weird. It was like one day there was a new Falcon out all of a sudden, then they closed.

Holden used to export to the Middle East well I thought but as they prospered opened up they turned toward more premium brands and Holden dried up.

I see pictures in some of my car groups of Calais and the like just left abandoned in car parks and by the side of the road.



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The FG was so weird. It was like one day there was a new Falcon out all of a sudden, then they closed.

Holden used to export to the Middle East well I thought but as they prospered opened up they turned toward more premium brands and Holden dried up.

I see pictures in some of my car groups of Calais and the like just left abandoned in car parks and by the side of the road.



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they also made Caprice's for the NYPD around 2011 and 2012, that didn't last long either
 

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They've probably been around for ages, but we don't see them often out here.
The Qld Police Hwy patrol cars are Kia's.
I died a little inside when I saw one today.
 

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They've probably been around for ages, but we don't see them often out here.
The Qld Police Hwy patrol cars are Kia's.
I died a little inside when I saw one today.
Would be the Kia Stinger I imagine. Has a bit of grunt from what I've read and a surprisingly good car even if it is a Kia.
Off the top of my head in Vic we've got Commodores/Falcons, M5s and a Tesla as our highway patrol cars. Then a combination of Rodeos, Passats, Camrys and the old Ford divvy fan for everyone else. Although the divvy van is being phased out for the Rodeo.
 

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Would be the Kia Stinger I imagine. Has a bit of grunt from what I've read and a surprisingly good car even if it is a Kia.
Off the top of my head in Vic we've got Commodores/Falcons, M5s and a Tesla as our highway patrol cars. Then a combination of Rodeos, Passats, Camrys and the old Ford divvy fan for everyone else. Although the divvy van is being phased out for the Rodeo.
They aren't M5's, bruh they're just diesel 535s. Seriously if you see one of those things in your rearview mirror take a punt because you'll probably beat it.
 

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Always loved seeing old Commodores (VB-VK) pop up in random overseas movies. Off the top of my head I think there was some in The Kingdom (which was set in Saudi though not sure it was shot there). Pretty sure there was a couple in Narcos as well.

They're most always absolute junkers.
 

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Thoughts on Proton Jumbucks? Mate's old man reckons his deal of 2 grand to me's pretty good.
No way. Based on Mirage/Lancer initially released in 1991 (CC variant) with almost no changes since. No real safety gear, cheap materials, old design. Rubbish cars.
 

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Back when I barely had two coins to rub together, I couldn't go past the humble AU Falcon. I had a white one with a bodykit that I thought looked the business.

It was mum and dad's family car, then a work car when I had to go on the tools to pay the bills. Folded the back seats down and you could fit a work platform in there, and 3 metres of whatever you had to carry would be resting up on the dash.

It really got us through some ****, and apart from an alternator I can't remember using a spanner on the thing.
Owning a Falcon is a right of passage in some respects.

The Au2's were going for nothing a few years after they came out as they were ugly AF and the brakes weren't well manufactured. Buy one for a song, get someone to machine the rotors, and you had a beast with a plethora of spare parts going cheap as well. I had a wagon that basically served as a festival bus for many of us. Sadly wrote it off on the Monash, the airbags work pretty well.
 

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Dad had a Falcon XB growing up, mum took it in the divorce (yep I basically grew up in the Footscray version of The Castle).

It was an indestructible tank. Mum ran over a Lambo in it, a guy smashed into the back of it in his brand new Chrysler (his car was a write off, we had a little panel damage fixed with a hammer and replaced the glass in one taillight). Engine was still going strong towards the end when everything else was packing up on it. Brilliant car.
 

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I got a taxi from the airport in Dubai which was a Statesman/Caprice. Also got one in Scandinavia which was an E-Class Mercedes. Both cars you would not expect to see as taxis here.

As now basically a 100% import market there's quite a few cars we just don't have here. Some of the pick-up trerks in the US are nuts. We had a 1980s Nissan Patrol when I was a kid and to me that's a big, heavy, lump of a car. Safety features consist of weighing more than most other cars on the road, handling options are 4 tyres and a steering wheel. In parts of the US a Patrol or Landcruiser (i.e. the two big 4WDs you'd see here until recently) look like hatchbacks compared to some of the other ridiculous things on the road. Some of the dual/single cab utes have massive steel frames built into (and taking up most of) the tray just to tow caravans the size of primary schools.

On the flip side Europe and Japan have teeny tiny cars. My mate lives in Glasgow and drives a 1 litre 4 cylinder. Can you even get a 1L here? The Japanese love miniature trucks. Like A Hino 300 series but about 20% of the size. Sort of thing you see from a distance and think is a normal truck then when you get close you realise you could only fit a couple of milk crates in the back.
 

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As now basically a 100% import market there's quite a few cars we just don't have here. Some of the pick-up trerks in the US are nuts. We had a 1980s Nissan Patrol when I was a kid and to me that's a big, heavy, lump of a car. Safety features consist of weighing more than most other cars on the road, handling options are 4 tyres and a steering wheel. In parts of the US a Patrol or Landcruiser (i.e. the two big 4WDs you'd see here until recently) look like hatchbacks compared to some of the other ridiculous things on the road. Some of the dual/single cab utes have massive steel frames built into (and taking up most of) the tray just to tow caravans the size of primary schools.
In some parts of the states if your truck doesn't have a fifth wheel it ain't a truck.
 

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I got a taxi from the airport in Dubai which was a Statesman/Caprice. Also got one in Scandinavia which was an E-Class Mercedes. Both cars you would not expect to see as taxis here.

As now basically a 100% import market there's quite a few cars we just don't have here. Some of the pick-up trerks in the US are nuts. We had a 1980s Nissan Patrol when I was a kid and to me that's a big, heavy, lump of a car. Safety features consist of weighing more than most other cars on the road, handling options are 4 tyres and a steering wheel. In parts of the US a Patrol or Landcruiser (i.e. the two big 4WDs you'd see here until recently) look like hatchbacks compared to some of the other ridiculous things on the road. Some of the dual/single cab utes have massive steel frames built into (and taking up most of) the tray just to tow caravans the size of primary schools.

On the flip side Europe and Japan have teeny tiny cars. My mate lives in Glasgow and drives a 1 litre 4 cylinder. Can you even get a 1L here? The Japanese love miniature trucks. Like A Hino 300 series but about 20% of the size. Sort of thing you see from a distance and think is a normal truck then when you get close you realise you could only fit a couple of milk crates in the back.
Growing up we had a Subaru Sherpa for the run around, 0.7 liter 2 cylinder engine if I remember. First car I ever drove. Swapped it for a Ford Festiva that had a six CD stacker under the seat that seemed like the most futuristic feature ever in a car.


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Good old CD stacker. There's tech that was high end for about 5 minutes.

Do cars still come with DVD players in them or has everyone just moved on to tablets?
 

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Our 2002 Commodore only has a CD player and radio, but the 2005 Kluger still has a tape player.


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My HQ still only does, can get two stations on it.

No time to listen to radio anyway when I need to keep both ears focused on what the engine is doing.


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My car only had a single 4" speaker so even if I wanted to listen to the radio I couldn't hear much over about 60kmh
 
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