Carey finished?

[choppy]

At centre half forward. Are his days in this position over due to the physical toll his body has taken.

He appears to have lost the leap that enabled him to crash a pack and since he cannot get his arms above shoulder height he is an easy target particularly with the delivery.

What are the options. To the goal square, one out, toe to toe where you would still back him, where he can still bustle and bring the ball to the ground. I imagine most full backs would be shitting themselves playing Carey one out in the square. Grant, Harvey, a focused Motlop swooping on the crumbs. He would still be good for a half dozen marks and resultent goals.

A sweeping role of half back, still the most accurate kick in the side, an excellent reader of the play but waste of talent here?

As Mike would say 'what du you think'

 

[iron mike]

you are an idiot choppy.

 

[Aussie_Roo]

I tend to agree with your comments Choppy. Carey's best days at CHF are behind him, and the time has come to try out a younger guy in that position. For the club to get maximum use out of him, I'd like to see him playing out of the goal square besides Rocca. This way, he is still in our forward line, and can help develop the younger guys. He is definitely not finished as a footballer, but perhaps as a CHF.

 

[Shinboners]

As long as we have another one or two viable talls in the forward line, Carey can keep on playing at CHF. If we had, for instance, Rocca, Colbert (sorry McKernan...I've lost faith now), and Carey up forward, no team would dare have their two or three best defenders minding Carey and leaving the other two players "free". Carey one on one with his opponent....I'd love to see that.

 

[Moti]

I agree. Put Rocca and Carey in the square together. They would never get in each others way!
Rocca is a must out of the square or we forget to play him, full stop. We need so someone like L. Smith or Watt playing at CHf to go for the pack marks. Not Lange because he can't jump.
You have underrated Carey majorly. He can still take a dozen marks a game and will dominate games reguarly this year. Lets not take Saturday as an example, he hasn't played for seven months!
Rocca should lead one way, and Carey run back with the flight or lead in the other direction. The great thing about Lindsay is that he can jump over Wayne to take marks, unlike Corey who crashes into him.
We need to isolate Wayne for the simple reason that he beats most players when he is alone, not just because of wear and tear.
Wayne is not finished, our game plan is. We need guys who can pass the footy, with them, a Brwonlow is still not out of the question.
MOTI.

 

[ptw]

The question is not whether he is past his best at CHF, but whether he is the best option you have for that position.

At Port we have Warren Tredrea. Now I am a Tredders fan but if they were both in the same side I would have Carey at CHF anyday.

Even if he is 60% of his best he would still be better than 3/4's of the blokes who get a game in that position each week (what do the names Robran, Rocca, "The Ox", Ball, White mean to you ?).

Leave him there I say.

Sorry for my invasion of your board today !!! tell me to piss off back where I came from if you want !

ptw

 

[choppy]

Originally posted by iron mike:
you are an idiot choppy.

Hmmm....

very thoughtful and inciteful contribution
iron mike

 

[choppy]

Originally posted by Moti:
I agree. Put Rocca and Carey in the square together. They would never get in each others way!
Rocca is a must out of the square or we forget to play him, full stop. We need so someone like L. Smith or Watt playing at CHf to go for the pack marks. Not Lange because he can't jump.
You have underrated Carey majorly. He can still take a dozen marks a game and will dominate games reguarly this year. Lets not take Saturday as an example, he hasn't played for seven months!
Rocca should lead one way, and Carey run back with the flight or lead in the other direction. The great thing about Lindsay is that he can jump over Wayne to take marks, unlike Corey who crashes into him.
We need to isolate Wayne for the simple reason that he beats most players when he is alone, not just because of wear and tear.
Wayne is not finished, our game plan is. We need guys who can pass the footy, with them, a Brwonlow is still not out of the question.
MOTI.

I'm not saying he is finished and how could I underrate him, just asking where can we get not only the most value from him but ensure that he plays for another 4 or 5 not 2 or 3 years.

I agree we should isolate him and isolate him where he can do the most damage. If he was in the square it would encourage players running off half back to pin point a pass to a leading centre half forward line and then the long kick Carey to the hot spot 15 to 20 out. (Rather then the current strategy of bombing long of the half back line to Carey, flying against two or three and it coming straight back)

It would either

1) drag the two or three defenders back to the square with him and thereby leaving a more open centre half forward area for Rocca to lead into and guys like Harvey and Grant to get some space or

2)leave him one out in the square and you would back him one out against anyone.

The only (and big) question mark is someone or a decent half forward line. I too have given up on Corey at CHF and maybe a Colbert and the great white hope Smith tandem may be an option.

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by ptw:
Sorry for my invasion of your board today !!! tell me to piss off back where I came from if you want !

ptw, you're always welcome here.

Just don't forget to leave some money on the table for any of the beer you drink

 

[35eye]

Originally posted by Shinboners:
ptw, you're always welcome here.

Just don't forget to leave some money on the table for any of the beer you drink

Actually there is a couple of cans of Southern & Coke & a half bottle of Baileys in the fridge that a previous guest left behind. You're welcome to that.

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by 35eye:
Actually there is a couple of cans of Southern & Coke & a half bottle of Baileys in the fridge that a previous guest left behind. You're welcome to that.

Southern and Coke? Isn't that a children's drink????

 

[ptw]

actually I have this bottle of '83 Penfolds Bin 707 if anyone is interested in helping me polish it off.

anyone got a corkscrew ?


ptw

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by ptw:
actually I have this bottle of '83 Penfolds Bin 707 if anyone is interested in helping me polish it off.

ptw

Ah, yeah, I'll volunteer.....want to try my bottle of '96 Henschke Hill Of Grace....

What is it about South Australia? Great wines, great footballers, great chicks.....

 

[35eye]

Originally posted by Shinboners:
What is it about South Australia? Great wines, great footballers, great chicks.....

God, that's a worry. What does Hahndorf translate to mean, anyway?

 

[ptw]

Its just that the water is so bad that we have to drink red...and there is nothing to do, so we play footy and....well....ummmmm....breed.


here....try this......*pours glass of 707*

ptw

 

[Darky]

Originally posted by 35eye:
God, that's a worry. What does Hahndorf translate to mean, anyway?

Hahn = "Rooster" or "c o c k " in German
-dorf is a suffix like -town or -ville

Hahndorf = cockville

[This message has been edited by Darky (edited 17 April 2001).]

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by ptw:
here....try this......*pours glass of 707*

Oh.....oh my.....oh.....man....that's so.....oh my oh my.....unbelievably good.....

(Um, I'm drinking the wine guys, so don't go thinking that we're doing anything else)

 

[SoggyBoy]

My opinon, for what it's worth, is that Carey is till capable of being one of the best CHF's in the game.

He's an out and out champion, but the years and heavy reliance on him have taken their toll.

We must look for other avenues to goal. We must stop bombing to postition and watching him get crunched by 3 opponents, because the opposition know where the ball is going to go.

With Carey and Rocca operating in the forward 50, we must hold the ball until we've cleared some space for them to lead into.

Players should congregate around the HF flank, forcing opponents to be accountable for their man, and thus creating space for Carey and Rocca to lead into.

If that happens, the ball delivery does not have to be perfect for North to be effective. I'd back Carey and Rocca on the lead.

We looked good early against the Swans when we held the ball until we had a target in space.

It's when we started bombing to position again, that we fell on our clacks and were over run by zoning defenders getting to where they knew the contest was going to be, in numbers.

For Carey to continue having an influence, we must start forcing opposition defenders to be accountable for their man and not let them get to Carey in numbers without paying the price for leaving their man.

That will only happen if we start using the ball better and looking for options and space, rather than territory and contests.

Carey has a lot of football in him yet, but we must recognise that he's not going to take games apart like he used to.

Share the workload, I say, and let the King play on for many days.

 

[The invisible mullet]

Where are the crumbing forwards? From having an abundance of them they seem to have disappeared altogether. I think we were hoping that Shannon Motlop would replace Brett Allison but he hasn't come close yet (and Brent Harvey is playing out of the midfield). Give Jones and perhaps Pratt a go and see if they can provide options up forward.

 

[35eye]

Originally posted by Darky:
Hahn = "Rooster" or "c o c k " in German
-dorf is a suffix like -town or -ville

Hahndorf = cockville

[This message has been edited by Darky (edited 17 April 2001).]

In year 8 I had the pleasure of meeting Hahndorf's Bergermeister while on a German Discovery camp. He was like the head honcho of the Strawberry farm. And he liked Bier.

 

[Darky]

Originally posted by 35eye:
In year 8 I had the pleasure of meeting Hahndorf's Bergermeister while on a German Discovery camp. He was like the head honcho of the Strawberry farm. And he liked Bier.

His name wasn't David was it?

I'll have to stop bagging him if I find out he's German.

What is a German discovery camp anyway? Is that where you go into a forest looking for strategically placed items, like Beck's stubbies behind rocks, lederhosen hanging from the trees and blondes with massive mammies in your tent? Where do I sign? Where do I sign?

 

[Malibu]

Darky - you are way too hormonal, I hope you're not getting your Viagra script filled!

I remember a fantastic Year 12 school trip where we stayed in Handorf....sex and drugs and lots of beer!