Carey retires... And then what?

[Chilli Afterglow]

North have continually been dragged to the top of the table due to there inspirational and brillian captain Wayne Carey. But he is now pushing 30 and with a body of someone much older. It is marvellous that he has been able to do so well with all that he is carrying.

He can't keep this up forever. Just like Dermott Brereton, the decline will be quick and embarrassing.

What then of North? Will this be the catalyst that signals their decline - which they cannot afford? Will they suffer a long painful death that we witnessed with Fitzroy?

Pull up your chairs ladies and gentlemen, The North Death Show is about to begin!

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So much for the afterglow

 

[kymhodgemansmo]

Refer to ESSENDON CONSPIRACY for my opinions on my club.

 

[Asgardian]

Originally posted by Chilli Afterglow:
North have continually been dragged to the top of the table due to there inspirational and brillian captain Wayne Carey. But he is now pushing 30 and with a body of someone much older. It is marvellous that he has been able to do so well with all that he is carrying.

He can't keep this up forever. Just like Dermott Brereton, the decline will be quick and embarrassing.

What then of North? Will this be the catalyst that signals their decline - which they cannot afford? Will they suffer a long painful death that we witnessed with Fitzroy?

Pull up your chairs ladies and gentlemen, The North Death Show is about to begin!

mmmmmmmmm, interesting, Carey is a great player, still, but you are right, his body has had to endure crash and bash footy for most of his career, and it shows.

I believe he will play well 2001 season, but I have my doubts after that, then you add an aging list of very good players, you end up missing the finals.

Pagan is a good coach, but he is not Sheedy, who has the ability to re-invent himself. Pagan is much more one-dimensional, the message does not become modified, let alone changed, and frankly players become tired of hearing the same message time and time again.

So yes, I agree Nth. Melb. will come into hard times, but I believe the decline will show in 2002.



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Chris

 

[CURVE]

When Carey retires it will be make or break for Denis Pagan, and I think that premiership we win the following year will show the world that not only is Denis Pagan the greatest coach in History, BUT the North FC is the GREATEST CLUB IN HISTORY.

DEVO
The biased Roo

[This message has been edited by DEVO (edited 15 December 2000).]

 

[Rooboy 96]

Why do we waste our time talking about things that wont happen for at least five years...

But DEVO... I do think you are spot on... sadly for Wayne he will miss out on his 8th premiership medal.... unless he plays on...



[This message has been edited by Rooboy 96 (edited 15 December 2000).]

 

[CJH]

I must say that non of the Kangaroo responses have given me any degree of confidence about their future. The responses appear to be big on bravado and rhetoric but lacking in any degree of substance.Do I detect an air of resignation in these comments.

Please don't take this comment as being North bashing; as regular readers will know, I have on many times praised the Kangaroos management on repeatedly showing the ability to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Although, North are on my hated list, they are also at the top of the admired list.

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[Carey_is_King]

When Carey retires;
I lose a significant amount of interest in the whole thing.I will, of course, remain a member, but it will never be the same again.
If you think Carey's retirement is Pagan's death knell you are seriously underestimating him. By any measure, he is the best coach of all time. Only time will tell if North can succeed without Carey.
Pagan is not Sheedy ? True, he is sane, and he wins more games than Sheedy.

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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.

 

[The Dutchman!]

Well,

Presumably Kouta or someone else will attempt to take the mantle of best player left in the comp from Jim Hird.

At this stage I would say that a fit Kouta is the only one with a shot - though I have enormous respect for Vossy up North.

I for one really, really hoe that North find a few stars and shove it right up the jackals... that said it will be interesting to see how well a super coach like pagan does with golddust on his list...

 

[JUBJUB]

When Carey retires Corey McKernan will step up and be a champion.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

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"Absatively Posilutely"

 

[Carey_is_King]

Originally posted by JUBJUB:
When Carey retires Corey McKernan will step up and be a champion.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

When that happens, you will know that hell has frozen over.


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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.

 

[Richmondfan#1]

Has hell turned cold now Cik?¿ Or are you just trying to trick me?¿

 

[Dan26]

Denis Pagan :

* 9 Consecutive Grand Finals with North under 19's.

* Went to Essendon reserves for a year. Finished on top and won the Grand Final - 10 consecutive Grand Finals.

* Went to North seniors in 1993. They hadn't made the finals for 6 years and had just suffered a 150 point humiliation in the Ansett Cup. Despite this he steered them to half a game off top with the best percentage in the comp. They then proceeded to make 7 consecutive preliminary finals.

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Now after saying all that, any dickhead that thinks Carey's retirement will make the Roos uncompetitive is an idiot. Pagan has proved to me, that he will coach a competitive (as in premiership contender competitive) team, even when Carey goes.

Pagan is the AFL's greatest coach, and he will coach successfully afte the great man goes. I think most people tend to ignore Pagan's record and put it all down to the players. Pagan has been far more important to North than Carey - far more. Carey won the best and fairest in 1992 and they finished 7-15. They were shit.

As long as Pagan is there, North will be successful. Don't worry about Carey. When he goes, it won't make much difference. He's past his best now anyway.

 

[Carey_is_King]

Originally posted by Richmondfan#1:
Has hell turned cold now Cik?¿ Or are you just trying to trick me?¿

Sorry, I don't get your meaning. Corey is a waste of space. Carey is a champion.



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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.

 

[Groucho]

True, it will be a sad day for Roos suporters when Carey retires BUT ,when it happens (maybe 5 years away by the way!)the $million+ North will have to spend will make the Saints effort this year seem like a trip to the $2 shop. Better have all your superstars signed up!

 

[Grendel]

When Matthews retired, people said that there was nobody that could even come close to replacing him. Three years later a bloke called Dunstall was being touted as his equal (not to me) but he was more than capable of stepping into Lethals shoes.

Southby-Silvangi
Watson-Hird
Moore-Langford
Bartlett-Weightman

just some examples of blokes virtually stepping into a retiring champions posistion and making it seem like nothings been missed.

Whos to say that North cant find a player between now and Careys retirement that cant at least be a capable player, if not in quite the same class as Carey?

 

[The invisible mullet]

It is true that things will be difficult for North once Carey retires which is probably on the cards in the next 3-4 years. How North will go will depend on these years and what young players North is able to bring on in the meantime. Carey has been the best player in the league for close to a decade and is probably worth 3-4 quality players in a side.

To replace Carey North will need 3-4 high quality players to come through. I have some faith in Pagan's ability to do this and to get the best out of whatever list he ends up with. Obviously North has hedged some of their bets on Leigh colbert returning to his best as part of that strategy.

At worst North will be competitive. Write them off at your peril!

 

[walshy1993]

Originally posted by DEVO:
BUT the North FC is the GREATEST CLUB IN HISTORY.

you sure about that?

 

[Groucho]

It's an interesting thought by Devo. I must admit,even as a North supporter, I have never thought of them as the greatest team ever,BUT I believe you can mount a reasonable argument. Firstly you can largely forget about what happened pre 1990 as the VFL was a different animal and it was much easier for some teams to be dominant and keep others from getting a sniff, and the non-Victorian clubs have made it much harder to succeed. North have not only succeeded but been consistently good despite (as we keep getting told here) having no supporters,no money and poor facilities. Of the other successful teams since the AFL was invoked, Adelaide, WCE,Bombers and Carlton all have plenty of supporters,heaps of money and magnificent facilities and are therefore highly advantaged in this competition ,which makes their performances pale into near insignificance when compared to those of North. Yep I'm convinced,the greatest team ever!

 

[Rooboy 96]

Groucho...

I had never felt they way either... but after reading your post I have converted... YES we are the greatest team ever...

 

[fighting fury]

I think that when Carey does retire, he will probably do what all the others have done and go towards the commentating side, or improve his commercial ad side or if he does have a life outside footy continue that. North shouldn't put themselves into a position that once they do lose a key player, that's it, curtains for them. They should be a strong club within themselves and pick up other key players or simply strenghten their team spirit as a whole.

It's the media and how they display the key players of any sport. The media spreads doubt, not the clubs themselves.

That's my opinion anyway!

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[Rob]

Grendel,

It's called the draft. It means that the top clubs (which North have been for the last 6 or 7 years) get shit draft picks, and hence a far lower chance of picking up superstars. And in reality, the only way to get top draft picks is to lose top players (i.e Bell). While it's true that in the past there have been countless examples of players the calibre of Grant and Hird who have been picked up late in the draft, it's certainly noticeable that in recent years, clubs are making less and less mistakes.

And unfortunately for North, they've been tainted with shit draft picks for the last 6 or 7 years. As a result, their chances of success for more than a couple of years are not good. Look at the Eagles, they are on the downward spiral, you'd expect them to finish bottom 4 this year. And it's not really the fault of the coaching staff (although Judge doesn't impress me much), much of the reason is due to year after year of crap draft picks. And North are around 2-3 years behind West Coast.

 

[Grendel]

Rob, you said it yourself, Grant,Hird,Mcintosh three very handy keys all picked up with late draft picks. Thompson came to the Hawks at pick82, im sure a few clubs around wouldnt say no to him! Woewodins this years Brownlow winner and he couldnt even get picked up in the draft. The gems are still out there.

Maybe some father/sons choices might be coming soon for them too. Shinners/Rooboy/Darky etc might no more than me about that. Its funny but there hasnt really been any father/sons seem to come through for the Roos, what with their great history in the seveties i would have thought a few would be due by now.

I didnt say it was certain to happen that a champion could automatically come and replace Carey, but you cant discount the fact that it COULD happen. Id rather they came to the Hawks though!

 

[CURVE]

Around the same that Carey departs, guys like Stevens and King will probably go as well, and with Martyn and Blakey(maybe??) going a season or two before, it will leave a huge hole for Pagan to fill.