Rumour Carey v. Stevens II : The long awaited rematch

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you're running a lot of straw mans to defend adults having sex with minors, you can continue that elsewhere in a relevant thread if you want to go into bat for that
haha

How am i distorting or misrepresenting your argument? Do you even know what a straw mans argument is? You are the one arguing a guy who did nothing wrong, somehow did something wrong.

Using the word minors with total disregard of the legal age of consent. And telling me i'm using "straw mans" arguments hahah. Classic stuff

Anyway, at least we agree carey is a goose.
 

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I have an issue with anyone over the age of 18 running with the 16 is legal defence

Now, I'd prefer if people stopped defending Stringer in here and instead bagged out Carey for being a total campaigner of a human
Thanks for the clarification - you were only concentraing on one aspect which left you wide open for other cases that were exactly the same

Now, that would have been horrible.
 

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no offense but laws are s**t, if your bar for whether you should be doing something is purely is it legal then you've got no moral compass at all


What if Stringer was 28 or 35 or 45? Because the law would still say that's legal


17 year olds are still minors, they can't vote, they can't drink, can't drive in most states


Carey has decades of being a pig, * him
Lol. You sound like a prude there, Gralin. Go join a religion or something if you want morality over and above the law.
 

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I had a look at legal aid and the rule has been changed

If Jake was her coach then it would be illegal, or a guardian or teacher etc

Still, what's legal in this space isn't the bar for me
Apology accepted I guess?

And incidentally I'm not defending what he did or saying it's cool. I'm taking exception to people likening it to anything Carey has done and I'm certainly taking exception to people claiming he's guilty of statutory rape which is not only incorrect but also potentially libellous and should probably be removed.
 

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No. I'm happily married to a woman my own age. I'm just not a prude like you.

he cant logically differentiate a 17 yr old school girl from 17 also being an age when you can drive, consent, work full tiem etc etc.

literally cant get past school girl
 

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Pretty sure what Carey did to Stevens was also very legal

This is not the worse thing carey has done.

putting a glass over a womens face for one
 

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he cant logically differentiate a 17 yr old school girl from 17 also being an age when you can drive, consent, work full tiem etc etc.

literally cant get past school girl
My daughter recently turned 18 and I wouldn't have expected to have any say over her having a LEGAL intimate relationship while she was 17. Some people still live in the dark ages.
 

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My daughter recently turned 18 and I wouldn't have expected to have any say over her having a LEGAL intimate relationship while she was 17. Some people still live in the dark ages.


Iโ€™m not living in the dark ages, I think for a variety of factors that a 23 year old dating a 17 year old (although illegal) isnโ€™t great, because, in my opinion, that 23 year old is taking advantage of the younger person. Ironically, there was a lot of that going on in the dark ages, and I think itโ€™s something that we should try to move away from.

I think in society there is this sick fantasy that some people (particularly men), have with people that are โ€œjust legalโ€, youโ€™ve only got to look at porn and the number of girls who claim to be 18 for views, or that knob who I wonโ€™t name saying he prefers 18-19 year olds because he can โ€œimprintโ€ on them and how many people agree with him to see this.

Thereโ€™s also the fact that a lot of the time when these relationships occur between a much older adult, and a 17 year old, the relationship started a lot earlier than that. Iโ€™m not for a second suggesting that Stringer did this, but itโ€™s part the reason why I would be very suspicious of any relationship like that.

Again, heโ€™s done nothing illegal there, but it doesnโ€™t mean I think itโ€™s a good thing to do. I also think itโ€™s somewhat hypocritical of the law to simultaneously claim that a 17 year old is not mature enough to purchase alcohol, but they are mature enough to have a sexual relationship with a fully developed adult.

Plus itโ€™s pretty s**t to go off and have an affair with anyone while your partners at home looking after your young children.
 

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Iโ€™m not living in the dark ages, I think for a variety of factors that a 23 year old dating a 17 year old (although illegal) isnโ€™t great, because, in my opinion, that 23 year old is taking advantage of the younger person. Ironically, there was a lot of that going on in the dark ages, and I think itโ€™s something that we should try to move away from.

I think in society there is this sick fantasy that some people (particularly men), have with people that are โ€œjust legalโ€, youโ€™ve only got to look at porn and the number of girls who claim to be 18 for views, or that knob who I wonโ€™t name saying he prefers 18-19 year olds because he can โ€œimprintโ€ on them and how many people agree with him to see this.

Thereโ€™s also the fact that a lot of the time when these relationships occur between a much older adult, and a 17 year old, the relationship started a lot earlier than that. Iโ€™m not for a second suggesting that Stringer did this, but itโ€™s part the reason why I would be very suspicious of any relationship like that.

Again, heโ€™s done nothing illegal there, but it doesnโ€™t mean I think itโ€™s a good thing to do. I also think itโ€™s somewhat hypocritical of the law to simultaneously claim that a 17 year old is not mature enough to purchase alcohol, but they are mature enough to have a sexual relationship with a fully developed adult.

Plus itโ€™s pretty s**t to go off and have an affair with anyone while your partners at home looking after your young children.
Almost across the board in Australia you're given the capability to drive a 2 tonne vehicle on major roads at 16 years of age. At the same age, you choose secondary subjects that will funnel your future in specific directions, you're able to make medical decisions for yourself including having an abortion, and you're able to get employment. You're also able to have intimate relationships with adults, and that's where you draw the line.

Whether it's seen as creepy, weird, or some sort of fetish is irrelevant to the main fact that a 16 year old is capable of making decisions about their own body; and the law recognises that.
 

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Iโ€™m not living in the dark ages, I think for a variety of factors that a 23 year old dating a 17 year old (although illegal) isnโ€™t great, because, in my opinion, that 23 year old is taking advantage of the younger person. Ironically, there was a lot of that going on in the dark ages, and I think itโ€™s something that we should try to move away from.

I think in society there is this sick fantasy that some people (particularly men), have with people that are โ€œjust legalโ€, youโ€™ve only got to look at porn and the number of girls who claim to be 18 for views, or that knob who I wonโ€™t name saying he prefers 18-19 year olds because he can โ€œimprintโ€ on them and how many people agree with him to see this.

Thereโ€™s also the fact that a lot of the time when these relationships occur between a much older adult, and a 17 year old, the relationship started a lot earlier than that. Iโ€™m not for a second suggesting that Stringer did this, but itโ€™s part the reason why I would be very suspicious of any relationship like that.

Again, heโ€™s done nothing illegal there, but it doesnโ€™t mean I think itโ€™s a good thing to do. I also think itโ€™s somewhat hypocritical of the law to simultaneously claim that a 17 year old is not mature enough to purchase alcohol, but they are mature enough to have a sexual relationship with a fully developed adult.

Plus itโ€™s pretty s**t to go off and have an affair with anyone while your partners at home looking after your young children.

Remove jake stringer from the argument.

How is a 23 year old male taking advantage of a 17 year old female? Men are notably dumber than women and reach maturity at much different ages, a 23 year old man probably have the same maturity level as a 17 year old girl.

The only thing you should be concerned about is CONSENT. Your opinion does not matter. If the girl consented too it, she is entitled to do as she see's fit under the law.

The fact jake was a dog to his partner (like Wayne Carey) is a completely different discussion to a 17 yr old consenting.

lets be real. The only reason you care is he is an AFL player with a public profile, for an opposing club.

If a 17yr old girl left school early and runs a successful hair dressing shop, and dates a random 23 year old in a happy relationship no one gives one s**t. The only reason you care is because its jake stringer.

you guys are acting like 6 year age difference is equivalent to some 70 year old billionaire marrying an 18 year old.
 

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Remove jake stringer from the argument.

How is a 23 year old male taking advantage of a 17 year old female? Men are notably dumber than women and reach maturity at much different ages, a 23 year old man probably have the same maturity level as a 17 year old girl.

The only thing you should be concerned about is CONESNT. Your opinion does not matter. If the girl consented too it, she is entitled to do as she see's fit under the law.

The fact jake was a dog to his partner (like Wayne Carey) is a completely different discussion to a 17 yr old consenting.

lets be real. The only reason you care is he is an AFL player with a public profile, for an opposing club.

If a 17yr old girl left school early and runs a successful hair dressing shop, and dates a random 23 year old in a happy relationship no one gives one s**t. The only reason you care is because its jake stringer.

you guys are acting like 6 year age difference is equivalent to some 70 year old billionaire marrying an 18 year old.
Which would be legal and completely acceptable too. That's one smart 18 year old!
 

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Maybe cause he couldn't satisfy his wifey in bed, let's be brurally honest, Carey wasn't the only North teammate Kel slept with (allegedly), Duck was the only one unlucky to be caught in the act.

From an pragmatic, non emotional biased perspective I think North should have booted Stevens and his wife out of the club instead of Carey

Chicken (Ricky Nixon) knows what really went down, I think Carey is a pig and trash for later off field incidents, but I do believe he copped the rough end of the pineapple knowing what I know of Kel and and her mattress surfing antics.

I had a post office for a few years in the mid to late 00s near Waaia where Anthony and Kelli hail from and the locals said it was common knowledge that she liked a root, NTTAWRT.
 

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Remove jake stringer from the argument.

How is a 23 year old male taking advantage of a 17 year old female? Men are notably dumber than women and reach maturity at much different ages, a 23 year old man probably have the same maturity level as a 17 year old girl.

The only thing you should be concerned about is CONSENT. Your opinion does not matter. If the girl consented too it, she is entitled to do as she see's fit under the law.

The fact jake was a dog to his partner (like Wayne Carey) is a completely different discussion to a 17 yr old consenting.

lets be real. The only reason you care is he is an AFL player with a public profile, for an opposing club.

If a 17yr old girl left school early and runs a successful hair dressing shop, and dates a random 23 year old in a happy relationship no one gives one s**t. The only reason you care is because its jake stringer.

you guys are acting like 6 year age difference is equivalent to some 70 year old billionaire marrying an 18 year old.
If a 23 year old enters a sexual relationship with a 16 year old in SA, thatโ€™s illegal. We all agree itโ€™s wrong, but why do we think itโ€™s wrong? I would say that in almost all cases, the reasons you would provide are still applicable when the younger person is 17. There are obviously exceptions but when you hear hooves think horses not zebras.

And yes, I would care if he wasnโ€™t a footballer, I just wouldnโ€™t have heard about it.
 

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If a 23 year old enters a sexual relationship with a 16 year old in SA, thatโ€™s illegal. We all agree itโ€™s wrong, but why do we think itโ€™s wrong? I would say that in almost all cases, the reasons you would provide are still applicable when the younger person is 17. There are obviously exceptions but when you hear hooves think horses not zebras.

And yes, I would care if he wasnโ€™t a footballer, I just wouldnโ€™t have heard about it.

i dont give a s**t what occurs in SA or about your hypothetical situation.

The girl was 17. And it was in Victoria.

Stop confusing the facts to support your crap conclusion.

If you dont like that the age of consent is 16 in Victoria, Australia, go talk to the people who can change it.

A girl of consenting age sleeping with a guy 6 years older is absolutely beyond OK in this country. Both legally and morally.
 

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i dont give a s**t what occurs in SA or about your hypothetical situation.

The girl was 17. And it was in Victoria.

Stop confusing the facts to support your crap conclusion.

If you dont like that the age of consent is 16 in Victoria, Australia, go talk to the people who can change it.

A girl of consenting age sleeping with a guy 6 years older is absolutely beyond OK in this country. Both legally and morally.
Mate you need to settle down, Iโ€™m just stating my reasons for my personal opinion on the subject, Iโ€™m not saying you have to agree or that the law even needs to be changed, or that he should be kicked out of the AFL or anything like that.

Based on what I know if the alleged situation, Stringer to me seems like a questionable character and I donโ€™t think his intentions in that situation were great. I could be wrong I donโ€™t think Stringer really gives a s**t what I think, and Iโ€™m not in his comments are DMs telling him that.
 

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if you want to keep talking about consent go start a thread on SRP
Done.

 

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Done.

And done!
 

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