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Secular Bicep said:
He's either in witness protection or corruption is strong in Victoria. Both plausible.

A story was leaked that Taxpayers are funding his daughter's private school payment. He obviously struck a deal in which he would reveal all and dob in some people. Either that, or the story was made up to help his witness protection program.

He then gets killed on the same day in a maximum security prison where guards should be present? He gets killed by someone getting a metal bar from an exercise bike and walking in the prison with it to kill Carl Williams? How would a guy get away with that in as much security as that? Someone turned a blind eye, which spells corruption.

It's one or the other. Corruption or Witness Protection. And it would be hard to fake a death that way so I lean towards major corruption.
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I think the story about his daughter being leaked was pretty suss. It could be building up a motive for the killer (i.e. he killed him because he was a 'dog'), and it would be a good way of giving a signal to the killer bearing in mind the phones were recorded. Either way I'm going for your corrupt police force as being behind it. They're worse than NSW and Queensland cops combined!
 

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according to the herald sun the person that killed Carl loves jail and can handle him self in jail and is a gang leader in jail.and the night of the killing the inmates were going nuts all night.And a gangland source said Carl's murder has been in the pipe line for month's,nice choice of words seeing he was killed with a pipe.
 
Why do people care so much about this, do you think that this is the only death in custody? The only reason it is getting so much publicity, is because of the stupid TV series, it's just another crim who got killed in jail.

Who cares, one scumbag kills another, what's the big deal? Well apart from TV ratings & selling newspapers that is. :rolleyes:
 
Yep, I agree mantis....pity they didn't all kill each other off in there, then the poor mug taxpayers might be saved from paying for these scumbuckets!..

Good riddance to all the crims, and particularily the crooked cops who I class as worse than the crims!..
 
mantis said:
Why do people care so much about this, do you think that this is the only death in custody? The only reason it is getting so much publicity, is because of the stupid TV series, it's just another crim who got killed in jail.

Who cares, one scumbag kills another, what's the big deal? Well apart from TV ratings & selling newspapers that is. :rolleyes:
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It's because of the death in custody which is such a big issue and the role of police and jail staff corruption.

There was a lot of talk about Carl becoming a police informant which would have provided clean cops with plenty of info regarding drug deals and other criminal activity but also would have exposed potentially huge police corruption. Thats why there is so much media and public attention to this story.

A lot of unanswered questions and very suss details.
 
Ledger said:
It's because of the death in custody which is such a big issue and the role of police and jail staff corruption.

There was a lot of talk about Carl becoming a police informant which would have provided clean cops with plenty of info regarding drug deals and other criminal activity but also would have exposed potentially huge police corruption. Thats why there is so much media and public attention to this story.

A lot of unanswered questions and very suss details.
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Yet when an aboriginal dies in custody, there is bugger all attention, yet more aboriginals die in custody than scumbag white drug dealers, killers.
 
I'm not saying that Carl's life is worth more than anyone else's but the information he had could have brought the Victorian police down to their knees. Don't think he and the other Melbourne underworld figures did their deeds by going around the police, corrupt officers of the law help them, there was and still is massive police corruption.

It's a huge story and things are going to get even bigger if these enquiries do their job properly. I don't believe for a second this was just one inmate killing Carl because he didn't like him or something like that.
 
Ledger said:
I'm not saying that Carl's life is worth more than anyone else's but the information he had could have brought the Victorian police down to their knees. Don't think he and the other Melbourne underworld figures did their deeds by going around the police, corrupt officers of the law help them, there was and still is massive police corruption.

It's a huge story and things are going to get even bigger if these enquiries do their job properly. I don't believe for a second this was just one inmate killing Carl because he didn't like him or something like that.
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Those same corrupt people could also be responsible for the aboriginal deaths in custody, yet no one gives a F about them, especially when most of those aboriginals don't have such a long criminal record like Williams.
 

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I don't see how Victorian police officers can be responsible for aboriginal deaths in custody in the NT, QLD, WA etc.

I won't disagree with you on the issue with Aboriginal deaths in custody, the public turn a blind eye to that but the corruption on that wouldn't be even close to the scale that of the underworld drug trade and Victorian police corruption involved
 
Ledger said:
I don't see how Victorian police officers can be responsible for aboriginal deaths in custody in the NT, QLD, WA etc.

I won't disagree with you on the issue with Aboriginal deaths in custody, the public turn a blind eye to that but the corruption on that wouldn't be even close to the scale that of the underworld drug trade and Victorian police corruption involved
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You do realise that we have Aboriginals in Victoria? :eek:
 
Hahaha of course but I don't recall any Aboriginal deaths in custody in Victoria unlike the issues they've had in those 3 states in my previous post.
 
mantis said:
Those same corrupt people could also be responsible for the aboriginal deaths in custody, yet no one gives a F about them, especially when most of those aboriginals don't have such a long criminal record like Williams.
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Although I'm nominally of the Left like you, you really do speak some phenomenal bullshit sometimes mantis.

The two issues couldn't be more seperate.

And anyway, there was a ****ing Royal Commission into the deaths in custody.

And Brumby has said there won't be one into this stuff.

So really, the deaths in custody got far more attention than the systemic corruption of the Victorian police force amid a sea of murder that's seen 30 men die.
 
Every death in custody whether white or Aboriginal gets reported to the coroners office and there is an investigation. Obviously they're not highlighted because there aren't many deaths and there isn't anything suspicious.

Whether you like it or not, Carl Williams' death is going to a bigger issue.
 

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Ledger said:
Every death in custody whether white or Aboriginal gets reported to the coroners office and there is an investigation. Obviously they're not highlighted because there aren't many deaths and there isn't anything suspicious.

Whether you like it or not, Carl Williams' death is going to a bigger issue.
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Nope, it's like the media mainly reports attacks by APBT's, or dogs who look like them, because it sells papers & boosts rating on TV. I can give a link from overseas, which says the media mainly reports attacks by APBT's, yet there are more attacks by other breeds which are never reported in the media.
 
SweetLeftFoot said:
I like the way mantis is just ignoring the fact that there was a Royal Commission into Aboriginal deaths in custody
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hahah mantis catches the bus she doesntget to listen to the morning news like the rest of us


hahhahaha the bus! shes like 50

get a car bus head hahhaha
 
Dawson said:
Are you like 12 years old or something?
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oh noes another bus catcher maybe you and mantis can team up?

then walk down to the bus stop

then wait for the bus

then get on the bus

then stop every 200m to pick up more people who catch the bus

then get to the bus stop nearest to my house

then walk to my house

then youlld get me

oh noes
 

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