Carlton 1979-82; Why don't we rate them?

[Monkey King]

The ball was in bud, deal with it.

Harmes always says it was in ... unless he's talking to a Pies supporter, in which case he tells em it was out

 

[South of the Yarra]

In .... Out ... Doesn't matter .... Carlton win ..... And that's how it will stay forever. In or out Harmes work was desperate and fantastic either way. He never gave up.

 

[Sttew]

This Carlton team was one of the greatest ever and given the same training, facilities etc would destroy the modern day teams like Geelong and Hawthorn.

You sound like a closet Carlton supporter big time, which is a bit like a monarchist rooting for the republican movement isn't it?

I don't know how you so confidently say the Carlton side of 79-82 would destroy Geelong & Hawthorn. Its just a stupid thing to argue, because there can be no rational objective assessment, other than if you look at the H&A records of, say Carlton in 79-82 and that of Geelong in 07-11, whose was better?

 

[South of the Yarra]

You sound like a closet Carlton supporter big time, which is a bit like a monarchist rooting for the republican movement isn't it?

I don't know how you so confidently say the Carlton side of 79-82 would destroy Geelong & Hawthorn. Its just a stupid thing to argue, because there can be no rational objective assessment, other than if you look at the H&A records of, say Carlton in 79-82 and that of Geelong in 07-11, whose was better?

And that's why it's called opinion. And in my opinion having seen them all. Carlton were better.

 

[South of the Yarra]

You sound like a closet Carlton supporter big time, which is a bit like a monarchist rooting for the republican movement isn't it?

I don't know how you so confidently say the Carlton side of 79-82 would destroy Geelong & Hawthorn. Its just a stupid thing to argue, because there can be no rational objective assessment, other than if you look at the H&A records of, say Carlton in 79-82 and that of Geelong in 07-11, whose was better?

By the way hate Carlton with a passion. Doesn't mean I can't respect a great footy era.

 

[Blackas87]

Brisbane early 2000's, Geelong 07-11 and the current Hawthorn side are overared, on par with Carlton late 70's early 80's.

Collingwood 20's and 30's, Melbourne 50's and 60's and Hawthorn 80's and 90's are a level above

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

The only reason I hate carlton is because they were such a great and successful team, much like my team was.

Times have changed, though.

 

[Toump Ass]

If it happened before I was born, I don't care.

 

[South of the Yarra]

If it happened before I was born, I don't care.

Then you don't care much about the history of Melbourne as not too much has happened since you were born. Respect the past.

 

[Silvagnis]

Everything was bought with paper bags in those days. Nothing compares to the modern era. These days it's drafting and trading that gets you success. Not to mention there's 18 teams. If Hawthorn wins on Saturday they will be undisputed kings of VFL/AFL.

They have 11 wooden spoons and tried to buy Melbourne after being the greatest ever. That is part of their modern era. Al Gore would call it the inconvenient truth. Still the greatest ever.

 

[Bostonian]

I don't know how you so confidently say the Carlton side of 79-82 would destroy Geelong & Hawthorn. Its just a stupid thing to argue, because there can be no rational objective assessment, other than if you look at the H&A records of, say Carlton in 79-82 and that of Geelong in 07-11, whose was better?

Carlton's. They were doing what they did while smoking durries and sinking skin loads of grog every weekend after the game.

 

[FootyGeek]

The 79-82 teams were a great era. But only one of many in the VFL/AFL.

Hawthorn 86-89 I would probably rate higher, they were brilliant.

But it becomes six of one half a dozen of the other after a while.

Brisbane 01-03, Geelong 07-11, Richmond 67-74, Melbourne of course. Collingwood in the 20s.

People forget the VFL was always the premier competition of the land, everyone was getting talent from everywhere. When you see Geelong or others saying teams like Carlton bought premierships it is absolute rubbish. Teams like Geelong were flying players around in helicopters and doing everything in their capacity to get the best players to their clubs. Money was being thrown around everywhere by everyone. Some teams just did it better.

The Carlton team of 79-82 had a very good core of home grown talent not poached for money.

For goodness sake, Bruce Doull was probably the most underpaid football champion ever to grace a football field.

 

[MortlockWatcher]

Then you don't care much about the history of Melbourne as not too much has happened since you were born. Respect the past.

Gold

 

[South of the Yarra]

The 79-82 teams were a great era. But only one of many in the VFL/AFL.

Hawthorn 86-89 I would probably rate higher, they were brilliant.

But it becomes six of one half a dozen of the other after a while.

Brisbane 01-03, Geelong 07-11, Richmond 67-74, Melbourne of course. Collingwood in the 20s.

People forget the VFL was always the premier competition of the land, everyone was getting talent from everywhere. When you see Geelong or others saying teams like Carlton bought premierships it is absolute rubbish. Teams like Geelong were flying players around in helicopters and doing everything in their capacity to get the best players to their clubs. Money was being thrown around everywhere by everyone. Some teams just did it better.

The Carlton team of 79-82 had a very good core of home grown talent not poached for money.

For goodness sake, Bruce Doull was probably the most underpaid football champion ever to grace a football field.

Have a look at the North Melbourne Team of 75 and 77 if you want an example of cheque book footy.

 

[SBYM]

Have a look at the North Melbourne Team of 75 and 77 if you want an example of cheque book footy.

Was it Rantall's son who drop kicked a bundle across the room during a meeting at home that turned out to be a brown paper bag full of money?

 

[South of the Yarra]

Was it Rantall's son who drop kicked a bundle across the room during a meeting at home that turned out to be a brown paper bag full of money?

That was the rumour and there were plenty of shady des with other players. They bought so many players.

 

[dickballsack]

You'll never get an answer on who is the greatest team of all time as it's just impossible to compare era's although it does make for a good debate. One thing is for sure though, given the equalisation measures of salary cap, drafting, etc there is no doubt that the current Hawks team/club are the greatest achievers in my opinion. The era's of 20's, 50's, 80's Eric were probably better teams but this Hawks team has been built within a defined parameter that the afl have set which makes it unbelievable that they're compared to those teams.

 

[SBYM]

That was the rumour and there were plenty of shady des with other players. They bought so many players.

Found it...from the mouth of Rantall himself...

It's in the doco they released in 1996 for the centenary, 100 Years of Australian Football. Check out from 1:06:20...discussion of North Melbourne and the 10 Year Rule...



There you go kids...check out some history, great doco, especially the Crimmins stuff.

 

[Sttew]

Carlton's. They were doing what they did while smoking durries and sinking skin loads of grog every weekend after the game.

Can't argue against that

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

They were more ruthless than anyone else that's for sure, they stepped on toes, they didn't care about form fours etc it was all about Premierships and they were right! The problem for Carlton was the National competition brought them back to earth with a thud and Elliott & co didn't want to play that sort of game, shrewd recruiting, talent spotting, trades and deals were all foreign to them unless it involved a huge pay cheque. They got the 1995 flag with an old list of stars with some question marks on salary caps etc and it's been downhill ever since. Their teams of the 70's and 80's certainly deserve recognition, but you know sometimes the mud sticks and people tend to forget easily. Carlton were once feared opposition, nowadays everyone wants to play them twice!

That argument doesn't really stack up though when you consider the Melbourne and Brisbane are both horseshit now and their eras are rated very highly.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

As weird as it sounds, I think part of it is because their era spanned over two decades.

Hawks of the 80s
Pies of the 20s
Melbourne of the 50s

All have a ring to them. Carlton of the late 70s/early 80s doesn't have the same ring to it.

Two other teams that suffer from this:

Richmond of 1967-74 - 4 flags in 8 years.
Carlton of 1968-72 - 3 flags in 5 years:

1968: Premiers
1969: 2nd
1970: Premiers
1971: 5th
1972: Premiers
1973: 2nd

 

[FootyGeek]

As weird as it sounds, I think part of it is because their era spanned over two decades.

Hawks of the 80s
Pies of the 20s
Melbourne of the 50s

All have a ring to them. Carlton of the late 70s/early 80s doesn't have the same ring to it.

Two other teams that suffer from this:

Richmond of 1967-74 - 4 flags in 8 years.
Carlton of 1968-72 - 3 flags in 5 years:

1968: Premiers
1969: 2nd
1970: Premiers
1971: 5th
1972: Premiers
1973: 2nd

Two great teams going at it over 5 years.

Richmond got the chocolates 2 to 1 in direct contests.

We do not mention 73, bit like macbeth.

 

[Blue Heart]

Possibly because most BF posters weren't alive then. I was and what I will say is that Carlton had the benefit of an open cheque book, as did Hawthorn in that era. It gave them a huge unfair advantage

As did the great North and Richmond teams of the 70's.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Two great teams going at it over 5 years.

Richmond got the chocolates 2 to 1 in direct contests.

We do not mention 73, bit like macbeth.

its weird how similar that Carlton-Richmond era was to the current Geelong-Hawks one in terms of results.

Geelong: flag, gf, flag, missed gf, flag
Carlton: flag, gf, flag, missed gf, flag

Richmond: 4/8
Hawks: 4/8 if they win this weekend

 

[Blue Heart]

Have a look at the North Melbourne Team of 75 and 77 if you want an example of cheque book footy.

Yes so true ... that's why I find it hard to swallow crap from North fans about Carlton being a club of brown paper bags and bought flags, when their teams of the 70's were totally cheque book driven and funded !!!