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La Dispute

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I actually hate this argument.

Same logic can be applied to a team like North Melbourne. North Melbourne lost to Collingwood by 7 and beat Richmond this year, so does that mean that the gap between 4 and 18th is only 7 points? That’s why I don’t use individual matches as a basis.

I mean it is clear that Carlton are the much better team but you need a better argument than that 🤣
It implies that the margins in the league are tiny.

As I have said, Collingwood had the worst percentage of any Top 4 side since 1998. There were never a dominant team and scraped across the line against as many mediocre teams as they did quality sides.

As the Pies found out in the finals effort and intent can only get you so far, and this was in spite of virtually everything going right for them along the way in 2022.

It’s not a sustainable way of playing.
 

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If Collingwood won all the Grand Finals they’d competed in during Carlton’s period of trash they’d be runaway flag leaders on 18 premierships.

Luckily they’re confirmed finals chokers and still sit behind the very best.

16 > 15.
How's your maths?

15 + 4 = ??????

(Clue, it's not 18)

The question is, how many more years of trash are you going to give us?
 

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How's your maths?

15 + 4 = ??????

(Clue, it's not 18)

The question is, how many more years of trash are you going to give us?
Thank you for reminding me it's actually 1/5.

So the Pies could have been had 19 flags, but they are mental fragile and are still behind the very best.

All those opportunities, very little output.

Love it!
 

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Western Bulldogs have won one less premierships than Collingwood since 1954 which is shocking since Joel Selwood has won 1 more final than the Dogs throughout their entire existence. That’s how bad Collingwood is.

To clarify North Melbourne > Collingwood.
 
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I think we're less likely to finish in the Bottom 6 than Top 6, but it happens.

Pies in 2021, Dees in 2019 etc.
So you're comparing teams who played in finals/prelims in the preceding years to Carlton who finished 9th in 2022?

Interesting comparison.
 

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Naicos.. the son of Paicos and Caicos.. learnt how to play Rachmaninoff's Concerto no.3 by the time he was the age of 1 or whatever man.. note perfect and all man.. like a maestro man.. Walshy on the other hand.. took him a coupla yrs into his career to master the chopsticks man and is now at the Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake stage mate.

I reckon if Barass was coaching these 2 blokes.. he'd crack the shits at Walshy with a full on 'stop bloody finessing' spray man.. Naicos.. on the other hand man.. he'd be like.. he'd be like.. fineeesse man.. fineeesse man.. you're the maaaster man.. you're the maaaster man.. give it to me man.. give it to me man.. that's it mate.. forget about it mate.. forget about it.
 
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So you're comparing teams who played in finals/prelims in the preceding years to Carlton who finished 9th in 2022?

Interesting comparison.
The Dees then also missed the finals in 2020.

Prior to 2018 the Demons had an 11-year absence, which is longer than the current Carlton streak.

It's a pretty reasonable correlation IMO.
 

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Naicos.. the son of Paicos and Caicos.. learnt how to play Rachmaninoff's Concerto no.3 by the time he was the age 1 or whatever man.. note perfect.. like a maestro man.. Walshy on the other hand.. took him a coupla yrs into his career to master chopsticks man.. good on him man.. good on him man.. gotta give the bloke some credit.. he's graduated to now playing Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake mate. I reckon if Barass was coaching these 2 blokes.. he'd crack the shits at Walshy with a full on 'stop bloody finessing' spray man.. Naicos.. the son of Paicos and Caicos.. on the other hand man.. he'd be like.. he'd be like.. fineeesse man.. fineeesse man.. you're the maaaster man.. you're the maaaster man.. that's it mate.. forget about it mate.. forget about it.
Good work by the Daicos family in trying to keep the completely dead and unimaginably boring genre of Classical music alive. Sums him up quite well, lived in a penthouse with a grand piano craned in right next to the jacuzzi. Getting taught how to play piano next to his other dweeb brother, bandaids on their finger tips so they don't get any scratches. Walsh the other hand, country boy, tough as nails. Why use chopsticks when your fingers can do just as well? Practical man. See footy, get footy. Naicos see footy, determine if it's worth the potential contact, whether any dirt will get on his boots, scratch on his face, mess up his haircut, it's not worth it, let teammate get the footy, get a cheap possession instead. Two different animals mate.
 

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Good work by the Daicos family in trying to keep the completely dead and unimaginably boring genre of Classical music alive. Sums him up quite well, lived in a penthouse with a grand piano craned in right next to the jacuzzi. Getting taught how to play piano next to his other dweeb brother, bandaids on their finger tips so they don't get any scratches. Walsh the other hand, country boy, tough as nails. Why use chopsticks when your fingers can do just as well? Practical man. See footy, get footy. Naicos see footy, determine if it's worth the potential contact, whether any dirt will get on his boots, scratch on his face, mess up his haircut, it's not worth it, let teammate get the footy, get a cheap possession instead. Two different animals mate.
Lucky bastards. Another Falcon that's never going to play for Geelong. Seems to be loyal like Jonathan Brown
 

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Dees 2017 - 12 wins, 10 losses, percentage 105%, 9th place
Carlton 2022 - 12 wins, 10 losses, percentage 108%, 9th place

Uncanny really.
 

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Lucky bastards. Another Falcon that's never going to play for Geelong. Seems to be loyal like Jonathan Brown
Country boys mate. Loyal to the club that shows a bit of faith in them and has a culture worth staying at. So it really begs the question at how much of a shithole Collingwood are to lose a loyal man to go play 50 mins down the road.
 

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Country boys mate. Loyal to the club that shows a bit of faith in them and has a culture worth staying at. So it really begs the question at how much of a shithole Collingwood are to lose a loyal man to go play 50 mins down the road.
If I was playing under one of the hardest men of all time in Michael Voss and my captain was Patrick freaking Cripps then I would never consider leaving. They possess the kind of traits in football that I value most. Loyalty, courage and toughness. I'd take that 10 times out of 10 over a traitor like Judd or Ablett Jnr even though both are better.

Walsh will be your next 350+ gamer provided he never gets seriously injured. Bookmark it.
 

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Oh geez from the way pies supporters are acting about drought periods I thought they’d have a shorter one than Carlton but nah they don’t even have that hahahah…
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Oh geez from the way pies supporters are acting about drought periods I thought they’d have a shorter one than Carlton but nah they don’t even have that hahahah…View attachment 1551778


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That's why it's funny when they go on about it. Since they broke that draught 32 years ago, they still have only won the one since. The way they go on about 'VFL flags' when they've only won 2 since 1960 really is something. 11 of their 15 flags came before 1940, but they'll go on about all the success they've seen in their times. Yea, sure mate.
 

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That's why it's funny when they go on about it. Since they broke that draught 32 years ago, they still have only won the one since. The way they go on about 'VFL flags' when they've only won 2 since 1960 really is something. 11 of their 15 flags came before 1940, but they'll go on about all the success they've seen in their times. Yea, sure mate.
The bandwagoner with 400 posts in this thread appears old enough to have seen the two flags in the 50’s. Still a pretty miserable existence to be in your 70s and have only 4 flags. The elderly are pretty stuck in their ways and it’s hard to change their opinions so I’d be shocked if they were younger.
 

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In the end good teams make the most of the times when their rivals are down. Since 2000 Carlton has endured it's worst period in history and in that period the Pies have won just the one flag. If we compare that to the down years of the Pies between 1959-1989, Carlton won seven flags (between 1968-1987).
Let's compare the respective teams' worst periods in their histories...

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I grew up watching the last decade of the 'bleakest period in Collingwood's history', and most games I watched I expected to win, our club was hated by opposition supporters, and my team regularly gave me a great run for my money.

I'm not sure Carlton supporters growing up in the 'bleakest period in Carlton's history' would have the same memories. They would probably recall being pitied by opposition supporters, regularly going to games where they knew they were going to be thumped, and knowing their parents could confidently plan family holidays in September.

Carlton have actually had one solitary season in the past 21 years where the percentage of games won exceeds Collingwood's average percentage of games won across the 'bleakest period in our history'.

The best part about the table above is.... we don't know when the 'bleakest period in Carlton's history' is going to end.

:):):)
 

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Let's compare the respective teams' worst periods in their histories...

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I grew up watching the last decade of the 'bleakest period in Collingwood's history', and most games I watched I expected to win, our club was hated by opposition supporters, and my team regularly gave me a great run for my money.

I'm not sure Carlton supporters growing up in the 'bleakest period in Carlton's history' would have the same memories. They would probably recall being pitied by opposition supporters, regularly going to games where they knew they were going to be thumped, and knowing their parents could confidently plan family holidays in September.

Carlton have actually had one solitary season in the past 21 years where the percentage of games won exceeds Collingwood's average percentage of games won across the 'bleakest period in our history'.

The best part about the table above is.... we don't know when the 'bleakest period in Carlton's history' is going to end.

:):):)
I just hope you’re still around when we break the shackles on our ‘bleakest period in history’.

Judging by your disappearance in the first half of last season I have sincere doubts we will see you.

Just when we think there’s some limit to your cowardice you invent new ways to surprise us.
 

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Let's compare the respective teams' worst periods in their histories...

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I grew up watching the last decade of the 'bleakest period in Collingwood's history', and most games I watched I expected to win, our club was hated by opposition supporters, and my team regularly gave me a great run for my money.

I'm not sure Carlton supporters growing up in the 'bleakest period in Carlton's history' would have the same memories. They would probably recall being pitied by opposition supporters, regularly going to games where they knew they were going to be thumped, and knowing their parents could confidently plan family holidays in September.

Carlton have actually had one solitary season in the past 21 years where the percentage of games won exceeds Collingwood's average percentage of games won across the 'bleakest period in our history'.

The best part about the table above is.... we don't know when the 'bleakest period in Carlton's history' is going to end.

:):):)
When was I comparing our down periods. I was comparing the different teams' ability to make the most of their rival being down. 7-0 GF wins for the Blues between 59-89. 0-1 GF wins between 02-22. Worlds apart
 

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I just hope you’re still around when we break the shackles on our ‘bleakest period in history’.

Judging by your disappearance in the first half of last season I have sincere doubts we will see you.

Just when we think there’s some limit to your cowardice you invent new ways to surprise us.
Really?

I disappeared in the first half of the season?

You might want to check my posting history. Banned from a few Carlton threads? Yes.

But no less active than I have been in recent times.

I'd love to see Carlton go well. I have a lot of great Carlton supporting friends who deserve to see some success after two decades of misery.