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Entirely possible.
Welcome to East Germany Carlton and Collingwood - who finishes higher in 2023? Collingwood Ofcourse
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Top 5 players? Saad, Curnow, Docherty, Walsh, Mckay, Weitering, Cripps, Hewett, Cerra, Williams... That's 10 who are genuine guns and walk into any team in the league when healthy... Then our next tier below that is still of good quality in Kennedy, Acres, Young, Motlop, Fisher, Mcgovern, Marchbank, Newman, Martin, Dekoning. Most of those players above would be playing in most teams and at worst fringe best 22 players. Our tier below that unfortunately wouldn't get a game at any team in the comp outside of North and maybe West Coast and they make up the last 2-3 players in our 22 as well as some areas of the ground's depth. Half of them are young and improving so hopefully they'll be moving out of that bracket and into the 2nd tier as they mature being highly rated draftees, half of them are mid age plodders who have/are being moved on now to minimize the amount of players in that tier.
Cumberlands 183cm tall so I'm not sure what you're on about there with young KPF?? Also Tom Lynch's almost never just become available like you make them out to... Clubs move heaven and earth to make sure players of that ilk never see a trade period without multiple years left on their contracts. The Tigers got very lucky given the circumstances surrounding Gold Coast at the time and it syncing up with being the most recent premiers to attract his talents.
Your point about the Bowes deal is bizarre. Collingwoods paying to get Fiorini across... Geelong is being paid to take Bowes. There's almost no similarities and just about every club in the league would prefer to be taking on the Bowes deal for access to pick 7. So back to my point, Geelong's continually bringing in quality in the form of pick 7, Bruhn, Henry etc in their deals... Pies are bringing in Mcstay, Fiorini and Frampton on premium contracts.
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Why would this year be an aberration? Its the 3rd season in the last 5 we've finished top 4.
And 4 of the last 5 where he have made and actually won a final.
Not sure how many years you have to go back to total up 4 seasons that had a finals win.
Carlton look so much better on paper, but pies are tough and their coach looks great.
But have to say Carlton.
Both defences good
Carlton forward line better
Carlton mids and depth better
Carlton rucks better (if Grundy stays this would change to even)
It’s the forward and mids where the difference is. If Carlton had had Walsh, Hewitt, Kennedy playing in last round they couldn’t have lost. Collingwood would have had to kick 10 goals in the last 5 minutes. That can’t be done.
And Carlton also had crazy amount of injuries all year. At one stage that North guy Durdin was the only defender and Cripps had to ruck. Even run with injuries and they were top 4 this year.
Carlton 1-5
Pies 5-10
But have to say Carlton.
Both defences good
Carlton forward line better
Carlton mids and depth better
Carlton rucks better (if Grundy stays this would change to even)
It’s the forward and mids where the difference is. If Carlton had had Walsh, Hewitt, Kennedy playing in last round they couldn’t have lost. Collingwood would have had to kick 10 goals in the last 5 minutes. That can’t be done.
And Carlton also had crazy amount of injuries all year. At one stage that North guy Durdin was the only defender and Cripps had to ruck. Even run with injuries and they were top 4 this year.
Carlton 1-5
Pies 5-10
Got to love this point.
Pick 7, Bruhn and Henry are all 'quality' despite all being unproven? Particularly Henry - it would be 'nice' if Collingwood could retain him, but he fell down the pecking order over the course of the season with Johnson and Carmichael being given a chance, so he will likely be superflous to Collingwood's needs going forward.
But the players we are looking to bring have been targeted to help with obvious deficiencies we currently have - that is how a team improves.
I'm pretty confident we'll get more return from McStay despite paying him less than Carlton have got from Williams on his $800K to $900K salary, who was picked up by Carlton despite already having a glut of half-back flankers.
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No doubt Williams on his contract has been a blunder, but our teams ability to improve doesn't rest almost at all on Williams. He's an added bonus if he's healthy whereas Collingwood's desperate need for a quality KPF is in the hands of a proven average/mediocre 3rd tall option in Mcstay...
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64 years of contending for 2 premierships must be quite depressing.
There are North Melbourne and Melbourne supporters in aged care homes that have seen twice the success of the Colliwobbles.
It’s all relative.
There are North Melbourne and Melbourne supporters in aged care homes that have seen twice the success of the Colliwobbles.
It’s all relative.
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Blues will make the 8, pies will be found out
Thought you picked us for the spoon this year and next. Tigers to beat us by 60+ in round 1, Pies to finish above Demons and Blues in 2021
I really have lost count
The usual, $1 then claim he won heaps
Ah yes, but same amount of flags in the last 3 and 4 decades, 6 more over the last 6 decades.
Love that level of incompetence
So injures are an excuse for us this year, yet a valid reason for you finishing bottom 4 last year
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None of these trollers ever reply to a question mate - perhaps they have no answers.
They keep talking about their so called dominance compared to us, yet have only won 2 flags in 6 decades
It's bizzare
Is trolling against the rules too
Pies finished bottom four last year because they had a crap year. Lost a couple of early close games, failed to gain any momentum, and clearly there were problems at the club that needed resolving.
It was great to see them being able to turn it around so quickly, despite all and sundry assuring us over the off season that we were set for years in the bottom four.
All teams get injuries, it's how you deal with them that sort the contenders from the pretenders. As we saw in 2022.
There are Carlton fans currently at university who enjoyed 5 spoon years and bought into the SOS rebuild.
Even I feel for those fans, no supporters deserve that.
Yet, many of your supporters were blaming injuries, as a reason, for your season and I believe rightful so
It's a valid reason for all clubs that have a larger number of injuries to core players
And there are currently elderly Pie supporters that have seen only 2 flags, while the equivalent Carlton supporters have seen 4 times the success
"Even I feel for those fans, no supporters deserve that"
Back to the OP, I believe both sides will be around a similar level in 2023, 5th to 8th
Also predict this thread will be very entertaining
Also predict this thread will be very entertaining
Pittonet and De Koning would be Collingwood’s 4th and 5th best rucks and that is not an exaggeration. Fortunately Grundy is leaving so they can both jump a spot.
Also our forward line is at worst, on par, with Carlton’s if not ahead
Goals per game averages:
2.90 Curnow
2.40 McKay
1.85 Mihocek
1.80 Ginnivan
1.70 Johnson
1.50 Elliott
1.40 Henry
1.0 Martin
1.0 Motlop
0.95 Cripps
0.95 De Goey
0.85 Cameron
Carlton - Fisher, Silvagni, Owies and Durdin all with more than 10 goals.
Collingwood - J. Daicos, N. Daicos, WHE, Crisp, Sidebottom and McCreery all with more than 10 goals.
2023 Upside for Collingwood - McStay, Hill, Carmichael, Kreuger
2023 Upside for Carlton - ???
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