Carlton and Melbourne - who has the greater supporter base

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A membership base does not align with a supporter base. It aligns more with momentum on field. The amount of dogs and cats you have signed up will not determine overall supporter base.
Lo*******L, unless you survey the entire population of Australia no one will ever know who has the most fans so until that happens membership numbers is what counts and we have the most, so therefore we are the biggest club in Australia.
 

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Lo*******L, unless you survey the entire population of Australia no one will ever know who has the most fans so until that happens membership numbers is what counts and we have the most, so therefore we are the biggest club in Australia.
Supporter base and membership numbers are completely different. A few years ago hawthorn had the most members in the afl and no one even hawthorn supporters were suggesting that they have the most supporters in the afl. In terms of latent supporterbase you need to look at social media and the top 2 since 2007 when social media became active have always been Collingwood and Essendon
 

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Supporter base and membership numbers are completely different. A few years ago hawthorn had the most members in the afl and no one even hawthorn supporters were suggesting that they have the most supporters in the afl. In terms of latent supporterbase you need to look at social media and the top 2 since 2007 when social media became active have always been Collingwood and Essendon
Social media became active in 2007?
 

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Lo*******L, unless you survey the entire population of Australia no one will ever know who has the most fans so until that happens membership numbers is what counts and we have the most, so therefore we are the biggest club in Australia.
Lol....pffftttt...
 

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Lo*******L, unless you survey the entire population of Australia no one will ever know who has the most fans so until that happens membership numbers is what counts and we have the most, so therefore we are the biggest club in Australia.
And yet Richmond are 9.2 million behind Collingwood for total home and away attendance’s
 

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And yet Richmond are 9.2 million behind Collingwood for total home and away attendance’s
Only 1.5m behind for home attendance where we are second, 37 years of very poor football will account for a lot of that.

Anyway this thread is about Carlton Melbourne we have our own shit fight going elsewhere.

Carlton are likely still bigger but Melbourne is a bit like Richmond just waiting for a reason not to go skiing, they will prove to have a fairly decent supporter base if they can get up and win a flag again.
 

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The only stat that counts in this pissing contest is putting up your hard earned.

In that respect, Carlton is still ahead albeit Melbourne seem to be catching up fast.
Why are Melbourne catching up?
You mean they are better on the field right now? That is all? No other factor.

Also what people forget is, a lot of the blockbuster games not involving Melbourne, the MCG is full with the exception is the bay of empty MCC seats.

For Blockbuster games involving Melbourne, MCC is full, which means the rest of the ground can be taken up by the team's supporters that would normally miss out or can only sit nosebleeds.
 

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Why are Melbourne catching up?
You mean they are better on the field right now? That is all? No other factor.

Also what people forget is, a lot of the blockbuster games not involving Melbourne, the MCG is full with the exception is the bay of empty MCC seats.

For Blockbuster games involving Melbourne, MCC is full, which means the rest of the ground can be taken up by the team's supporters that would normally miss out or can only sit nosebleeds.
I was talking about memberships not the odd game to turn up to.....
 

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I was talking about memberships not the odd game to turn up to.....
Current membership numbers:

Carlton 55k up about 10k same time last year
Melbourne 37k up about 4k same time last year

Carlton finished last with 2 wins and could not have been worse

Melbourne were 2 wins from a Flag and were as impressive as any other team.

Yeah, not sure what you mean by catching up



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Current membership numbers:

Carlton 55k up about 10k same time last year
Melbourne 37k up about 4k same time last year

Carlton finished last with 2 wins and could not have been worse

Melbourne were 2 wins from a Flag and were as impressive as any other team.

Yeah, not sure what you mean by catching up



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It's also heavily implied by the MCC that ~10-15k of their members are Melbourne supporters and there is no data on how many of those also purchase Melbourne memberships.
It's more likely that Melbourne has closer to 50k
 
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but I'm an MCC member and I go for Carlton. If your going to include MCC members that go for Melbourne in your memebership total don't forget to add Carltons as well. There is an option of adding an extra $60 to your mrmbership to become a member of the team of your choice.
 

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A membership base does not align with a supporter base. It aligns more with momentum on field. The amount of dogs and cats you have signed up will not determine overall supporter base.
You know that pet memberships do not count towards any clubs membership total? Ultimately the AFL would remove them in the total when doing an audit.
 

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Members and total supporter base are completely different. Hawthorn last year had more members then Collingwood and Essendon but no one thinks that hawthorn have more supporters then Collingwood and Essendon!!

I will stat again there is no statistical prof that Richmond are the biggest Victorian club.

Collingwood and Essendon are always and have always been ranked no.1 and no.2 for that last 30 years.

You say that for Richmond being crap for 35 years it’s hard to compare Richmond and Collingwood well do I guess your saying Richmond are bandwagoners? Well you ain’t going to get an argument from me.

Richmond are 9.2 million behind Collingwood in attendance’s during the home and away season since 1921! Richmond have had a huge advantage of playing ALL home games at the mcg since 1965. Prior to 1965 Victoria Park and Punt Road capacity was very similar. Remember Collingwood started playing all its home games at the mcg in 2000 and yet Collingwood are 9.2 million more then Richmond.

This is total supporterbase numbers not members and Collingwood are no.1. Essendon no.2, Richmond have always been ranked no.3 and Carlton no.4 in Victoria.

How me evidence that shows Richmond have more supporters (not members) then Collingwood or Essendon???

You will not find any!!
I agree that members and supporters are two different things.

A member is something which is tangible that can be counted. It's an indication that a person wants to be a part of the club and actually contributing to the club.

A supporter is a phantom unknown obscure statistic picked from somewhere random like the Ray Morgan poll, someone who pays lip service, or the people you observe around you or social media likes. In general a supporter offers little or nothing to a club.

The Ray Morgon poll indicates that Sydney has the most supporters. I don't think anyone really thinks that they are the biggest club. Obviously people are just saying they support a team without really following them.

I come across many people who say they support a team. Often the conversation goes like this:
me-"who do you support?"
Them-"Collingwood"
me-"okay. Have you been to many games?"
them-"no"
Me-"did you watch the game last night?"
them-"I don't really watch the footy"
me-"why did you say you support Collingwood".
then-"my dad used to for them"

When a 'supporter' starts to actively follow the game there is no certainty they'll follow the team they said they support previously. I have known people who changed the team they support to another team. My wife used to say she goes for Hawthorn and didn't really follow the footy, and now she's a Richmond supporter (and member).

In the end a 'supporter' is someone who is just casually following a team or not at all.
I'm not sure how you can really include someone who doesn't contribute to a club as part of the club, and in turn include them in discussing te size of the club.
 
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I agree that members and supporters are two different things.

A member is something which is tangible that can be counted. It's an indication that a person wants to be a part of the club and actually contributing to the club.

A supporter is a phantom unknown obscure statistic picked from somewhere random like the Ray Morgan poll, someone who pays lip service, or the people you observe around you or social media likes. In general a supporter offers little or nothing to a club.

The Ray Morgon poll indicates that Sydney has the most supporters. I don't think anyone really thinks that they are the biggest club. Obviously people are just saying they support a team without really following them.

Come across many people who say they support a team. Often the conversation goes like this:
me-"who do you support?"
Them-"Collingwood"
me-"okay. Have you been to many games?"
them-"no"
Me-"did you watch the game last night?"
them-"I don't really watch the footy"
me-"why did you say you support Collingwood".
then-"my dad used to for them"

When a 'supporter' starts to actively follow the game there is no certainty they'll follow the team they said they support previously. I have known people who changed the team they support to another team. My wife used to say she goes for Hawthorn and didn't really follow the footy, and now she's a Richmond supporter.

In the end a 'supporter' is someone who is just casually following a team or not at all.
I'm not sure how you can really include someone who doesn't contribute to a club as part of the club, and in turn include them in discussing te size of the club.
The giveaway with the Swans supporter numbers is a crowd of 40k to the EF at the SCG last year. The capacity is 46k. It's unthinkable that the Crows or the Eagles wouldn't fill bigger stadiums for a home final. Even Port or Freo would do better.
 
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That's true, but its the other extreme. There are many people (in most likelyhood the majority) of "supporters" in between who wouldn't just flip-flop on their club, who follow the results closely, who buy merch, who watch on telly, who even go to games (or any combination of the these) but for whatever reason don't buy memberships.
The thread title says supporter base not memberships.
 

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That's true, but its the other extreme. There are many people (in most likelyhood the majority) of "supporters" in between who wouldn't just flip-flop on their club, who follow the results closely, who buy merch, who watch on telly, who even go to games (or any combination of the these) but for whatever reason don't buy memberships.
The thread title says supporter base not memberships.
How do know that is the majority behaviour of a 'supporter' base? It may or may not be. I don't think there is a reliable way of determining that.

From my personal experience of talking to people outside the football environment such as work place, friends parties etc there are more people closer to the type of supporter I described. There are some as you described, but they are the minority.

Though admittedly "through my experience" isn't really a reliable indicator.
 
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Just going by general stats. If you take all the "supporters" from fans just below paid up members (more engaged) down to "oh I've heard of the swans" (less engaged) and put them on a bell curve most are going to fall somewhere in the middle (within some combo of the categories I've mentioned). Not down the less engaged end where people are switching teams at the drop of a hat or have no idea where their team is on the ladder. A bit more reliable than "through my experience" I think. Each club would vary and if you take those Roy Morgan numbers I'd say Sydney would skew heavily down the "less engaged" end of the curve. All teams would skew up or down with on field performance.

From what you've written it seems you are saying you are either a paid up member or you probably couldn't give a shit. I'm trying to say most "supporters" are somewhere in the middle. The value these supporters bring to a club is eyeballs that can be sold to advertisers/sponsors.
 
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