Coach Carlton Coaching Group 2024

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BigBreakfast said:
Agree with all this except, Geelong rucks are athletes who offer pressure and presence around the ground, not necessarily tap dominant ruckmen. Pitto is none of those things. I’m not quite sure what our equivalent is, perhaps TDK but not sure of the tank. Silvagni offers the extra efforts without the speed or endurance.

Ruck is going to be an interesting position going forward, especially if, as mooted, the medi sub goes away and become just another bench player.

I’m buoyed by the Acres acquisition. He and Doc spending time on the wings and on ball would be weapons.

Cuningham is interesting… Let’s leave it there.
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Geelong looked like Collingwood who looked like Richmond to me as far as game style goes - I'd back our best 22 to match up well. Voss understands that winning the crucial contests is the difference between a win or a loss - he is building Carlton up to play 4 quarter contested football - love it have been waiting for 20 years to see drafting/list management and coaching all aligned to a game plan that is definitely finals quality. Cant wait to see the end of a few list cloggers replaced by bigger bodies and or better run over teh next 2 trade periods.

Bliclavs is an amazing athlete a tall version of Walsh - the other bloke is a plodder both were used as tall mids rotating into the lone Sydney ruckman - who isn't a big boy himself.

Pittonet it's the better ruckman on our books right now - TDK is developing and might be a forward ruck rather than a FT ruck....we need another ruck and I'm sorry the tall bloke in VFL is a long way off AFL - as in a long long long way off - he has done remarkably well to do ok in bursts at VFL level.

If Cunners is fit and gets through the pre-season - he will play every game next year if his body allows.:cool:
 
JustaBattler said:
Geelong looked like Collingwood who looked like Richmond to me as far as game style goes - I'd back our best 22 to match up well. Voss understands that winning the crucial contests is the difference between a win or a loss - he is building Carlton up to play 4 quarter contested football - love it have been waiting for 20 years to see drafting/list management and coaching all aligned to a game plan that is definitely finals quality. Cant wait to see the end of a few list cloggers replaced by bigger bodies and or better run over teh next 2 trade periods.

Bliclavs is an amazing athlete a tall version of Walsh - the other bloke is a plodder both were used as tall mids rotating into the lone Sydney ruckman - who isn't a big boy himself.

Pittonet it's the better ruckman on our books right now - TDK is developing and might be a forward ruck rather than a FT ruck....we need another ruck and I'm sorry the tall bloke in VFL is a long way off AFL - as in a long long long way off - he has done remarkably well to do ok in bursts at VFL level.

If Cunners is fit and gets through the pre-season - he will play every game next year if his body allows.:cool:
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Stanley isn’t a plodder, he won the Grand Final sprint and has an athletics background. Pitto needs to be able to contribute more effectively at contests and behind the flow of the game to build our points off turnover profile. Intercept marking, spoiling contests and feeding runners. He is better than I thought but still needs growth.
 
Wouldn't mind offering the following coaching positions

VFL Coach
Torin Baker - Highly credentialed, knows the players. Good fit if he wants the job.

New Coaches
Nigel Lappin - to replace O'Keefe and take over midfield
Betts (or any highly credentialed small forward coach) - to work with our young, inexperienced small forwards.
May be unorthodox but Betts and Clarke to work together as 1

Coach Reshuffle
Ash Hansen - Ball movement and tactics coach
Tim Clarke - Forwards coach

Structure
Head Coach - Voss
Senior Assistant & Ball movement and tactics coach - Hansen

Forwards Coach - Clarke
Small Forwards Coach - Betts (or any highly credentialed small forward coach)

Midfield - Lappin

Defence - Hamill

Ruck Coach - Kreuzer

Head of Development - Power
Development & VFL - Baker

Coaching and Innovation - Greaves

Not sure if AFLW coaches come under our soft cap... But either way, I'd sack Harford...
Head AFLW Coach - Daisy Pearce
 
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BlueJet said:
That's demoting Hansen, our highest rated Assistant Coach.
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Agree re Ash and take your point but in my mind its not a demotion. I see the responsibility of coaching the 2s and linking that back to the 1s as a very important role. I was by no means suggesting Selwood replaces Hansen per se`. In my mind, Voss's 2IC (Hansen) should have a massive role in the 2s.
 
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Think we need to target the areas we are weak with our coaching, particularly development coach wise.

Failure to recognise that all positions on the ground are specialist positions is often the undoing of many clubs ability to develop players. Pride and arrogance from coaches and clubs is often the reason why these positions are not filled and this problem not rectified. Sometimes you don't need a coach for each position because most coaches are good enough to cover multiple positions but they can't cover them all as coaches for the same reason they couldn't cover them all as a player. Sometimes those positions don't need a coach because the player is already made but when when they are not? You can't develop small forwards, key forwards or wingmen if the guys you have coaching didn't really know how to do it at the level when they were playing.

Small forward, wing and tactics as our weakest areas. We should be making coaching changes to target these three areas.

Wing is a really difficult position, it's not just about your ability to be able to run fast and all day bit it's got a lot to do with timing. Where to run and when to arrive. You put onballers out on a wing and they generally have no idea. It's a specialist position. Guys like O'Brien and Cottrell can run all day but they do a lot of pointless running IMO. Blow up the GPS but get stuff all of the ball. O'Brien has got better but Cottrell pretty much runs up and down without any thought or smarts to his game.

What our wingers need to do is attend as many AFL games with top line wingers in them to watch how they position and time their runs. But what we need to do as a club is hire a specialist coach for the role. Recruiting Acres is good, he's another one who doesn't really need a development coach but the rest of them do.

Someone like Isaac Smith or Steele Sidebottom should they retire in the next year or two would be absolutely ideal. If you couldn't play the wing as a player, I can't see how you could teach someone else to play the position as a coach. It's as simple as that and this is probably why our wingmen are stagnating. There are multiple roles in the midfield, wing and onball are two key ones, both are different and require a different set of instinctive skills and knowledge. A few other names getting about would be Nigel Lappin. Good wingmen are hard to find but finding a coach who could play the position at a high level is probably just as difficult.

Targeting a specialist coach, even if they are only part time for the wing and forward flank is a no brainer, this is where our inexperienced yet gifted players tend to be and some small advice goes a long long way.

I think our current coaches have developed our wingmen as far as they can.


Small forward is 100% a specialist position as well that requires a specialist and quick mind. Our small forwards were fine but they were all over the place towards the end, they were just missing. Eddie Betts goes to Geelong as a development coach and they win the flag. He's a clear cut example of the sort of player we need. You look at the small forwards of the past and they appear to have become lost to coaching. Milne, Rioli, Didak, Akermanis, LeCras for example. A lot of them just see things differently and perhaps they see things differently outside of football as well which turns the more serious coats and powers that be away from hiring them as coaches. One thing is for sure, they knew how to do what they did extremely well. I have no doubt that guys like Fisher, Honey, Durdin, Motlop, Owies etc would benefit a great deal from the advice from some of these names more than they would by guys like Voss and Hansen who as good as they are, because they don't see the game the same way are likely to miss some of the finer yet important things.

It's interesting when you think about the great small forwards, they all appear to be a bit different. Their mind works in a bit more of an obscure way that may make the straighter types think of them as not coach material. I think there is something missing here and the question needs to be asked why are these guys lost to coaching? Are clubs missing out by not taking on a former gun small forward as a specialist coach? Eddie Betts success suggests maybe so.

There is no former top level small forward developing our current crop. We have a bunch of small talented player who likely need more direction as they aren't purely naturals when it comes to the position.

Tall forward coach. I don't see it as a big need but it's a small need. Curnow, McKay and DeKoning are running on raw ability and youthful athleticism. There is a lot of direction to be had and IMO we would be crazy not to bring in a part time key position coach to work with them. Guys like Riewoldt and Brown, they are in media jobs, know all about playing key forward in the modern game. Get one of them to keep an eye on these guys and when they see something offer feedback, come to training to run drills etc. Curnow playing on and doing things that are not in the spirit of the moment or the game plan. McKay having issues going back with the flight and being out bodied. DeKoning's forward craft in general. Develop these things because it's costing us games, hurting us defensively and cost us a finals appearance. Sometimes hearing something from a former A grade tall forward is going to sink in more than it will hearing it from a former midfielder or B Grade tall forward too. Players don't always take what they are told on board.


Midfield/tactical coach is another area we fell down in at times on game day. We appeared to be hung out high and dry when we weren't able to dominate clearances this year and it looked like we didn't have a plan B. From what I can see this season, teams have two modes when it comes to game plan.

There is a game plan that involves the forwards playing their own game, not worrying about defending or covering rebounding defenders, positioning how they feel free, the backline playing more accountable one on one footy and the midfield playing a more ball hunting game where they try and get one free at stoppages, get it to them and clear the stoppage with handball and direct the ball with time and space to the forwards. This is our clear game plan but for most of the season appeared our only game plan. Works great when the opposition don't put a stop to it, can score heavily and if you dominate clearances you dominate the game. Works well against sides trying to play the same way. However it's brought undone by the following game plan...

Players play close to their man at stoppages, not tagging, not trying to stop them, still trying to get hands on the ball but playing close enough that they can get to them to apply pressure so that they can't direct a kick to a clear target or have to handball to another player under pressure. It's all about trying to win the ball but being able to apply pressure, lay a tackle but mostly it's about preventing a kick to a target. The ball has to come out of the stoppage blindly. The defence, particularly half backs play lose, deeper defenders play in front and it becomes all about intercept marking from behind the contest and having the flankers playing lose and wide so you can go quickly. The forwards however have to play with the same mindset as the midfielders, that is playing close enough to the opposition players as to prevent intercepts and apply pressure to the running defenders as the ball is likely to be bombed forward blindly. It's all about creating a game style where you can still win stoppages but plays from stoppages will be les affective as the ball will be bombed forward from them and if you lose the contest you setup well to rebound and go forward that way. This is the game style that brought us undone throughout the year. Teams, even lesser ones were able to implement this against us and beat us (GWS for example) and teams would be able to fall back on this tactic and come back to nearly beat us or beat us (Hawthorn and Collingwood). Collingwood probably implemented this game plan the best, most teams this is their plan B whereas this tactic appeared to be their plan A which suites the team they have. Not on are we vulnerable to this tactic, we showed very little ability to implement this tactically ourselves successfully which makes little sense with the defence we have. Thought our forward line would often let us down when this was going on as we were intercepted and rebounded heavily against when this was going on.

The other part of how footy has evolved due to the new rules the last few seasons is where teams apply their defensive choke. Once it was around the forward 50 thought with the kick out rule that's obsolete. We tried to do it on centre wing. I remember Port Adelaide exploiting this something chronic by going around it and into the middle and nearly beating us. Teams now go to great efforts to keep it out of the middle and get numbers to the half back flank. Keep the ball carrier wide and when he's around centre wing, put a wall in front of him. Works because the ground narrows up there, if you fail to turn it over there you get another go at it as it's not in range and if you do turn it over it's the best part of the ground to attack from as you have access to the middle, access to a high up switch of play or you can send it back the way it came. We haven't really harnessed this structure well. Those final minutes in the Melbourne and Collingwood games where both teams came up into the middle was because we allowed that. Centre and half back should have been congested. Geelong are one of the best sides at implementing this game structure. Their game against us was a prime example, we would get to centre wing and just freeze up. The solution to this is to have a big strong CHF to go long into the congestion to, McKay was trusted in this role and was out marked a lot. Teams like Collingwood just go around the congestion on the half forward flank and send it into the middle. We go it and it comes straight out a lot of the time and don't do the best job at setting up this defensive structure.

Tactics start from the midfield. How the backs play, how the forwards play all comes down to what's happening in the midfield. If we are clearing the ball and going forward with direction and little pressure, we are playing lose and attacking then forwards do their own thing and backs play a little tighter. We did this. If it's high pressure, ball is coming out under pressure then the backs play a little loser, hunt the ball and the forwards have to move up on the lose men and stop the intercepts. This is where we failed. When the opposition are out in open play your forwards push into the centre and keep the opposition wide, we failed at this far too often. If you are going to try and get numbers to an area then you push the opposition wide and you get number to the back flank. We tried to do this in other parts of the field and it was not as effective. It's simple stuff we only did half of it.

I've got plenty of praise for Voss and the new assistants but this was a failed season. We under achieved and they failed as a group. Let's not try and gloss over this. We were tactically inept, we fell behind the other teams and we lost games, gave up leads and missed finals because of this. Happy to let it fly this season but another season where we have no plan B and aren't implementing defensive structures as well as the better teams the jungle drums will start to beat around this coaching group.

This is why we need to build on it and keep adding people and improve our development, diversity amongst our coaching ranks and improve tactically. Fail to do that and this coaching group will follow the same path every other lot has the last 20 years at this club. Go forwards and there are premierships to be won.

Does a Joel Selwood come to Carlton and help sort out our tactical deficiencies? Geelong had an excellent and well balanced game plan.

The alternative to recruiting specialist coaches is to recruit mature, quality experienced players and replace those who aren't coming on. This works on a certain level but it's not ideal. You really are better off developing your own.

I'd hate to see us not progress off the field this season.
 
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TENACIOUS said:
Wouldn't mind offering the following coaching positions

VFL Coach
Torin Baker - Highly credentialed, knows the players. Good fit if he wants the job.

New Coaches
Nigel Lappin - to replace O'Keefe and take over midfield
Betts (or any highly credentialed small forward coach) - to work with our young, inexperienced small forwards.
May be unorthodox but Betts and Clarke to work together as 1

Coach Reshuffle
Ash Hansen - Ball movement and tactics coach
Tim Clarke - Forwards coach

Structure
Head Coach - Voss
Senior Assistant & Ball movement and tactics coach - Hansen

Forwards Coach - Clarke
Small Forwards Coach - Betts (or any highly credentialed small forward coach)

Midfield - Lappin

Defence - Hamill

Ruck Coach - Kreuzer

Head of Development - Power
Development & VFL - Baker

Coaching and Innovation - Greaves

Not sure if AFLW coaches come under our soft cap... But either way, I'd sack Harford...
Head AFLW Coach - Daisy Pearce
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What are the chances of getting Nigel Lappin across from the cats?
 

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El Topo said:
You'd hope we're adding rather than just stretching what's already in place
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“The Club will now begin the process of providing the appropriate support around Power in both the VFL and development program.”

I dare say we’re going to add a couple of lower grade development coaches to support.
 
Jell said:
“The Club will now begin the process of providing the appropriate support around Power in both the VFL and development program.”

I dare say we’re going to add a couple of lower grade development coaches to support.
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Hope we are looking at bringing Eddie Betts back, he’d be the perfect person to be developing and mentoring ALL the players on our list.

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Cook I love you already but if you get this man in I might just have to put you in my will.

With the latest developments in our coaching ranks we should have plenty of cap space to shop around for the best out there to add to our defensive schemes and transition game.

Getting Selwood in to help with development and assisting the midfield would not only great for Joel being a part of a rising outfit and hopefully continuing his long history of success wherever he goes... But also a fantastic opportunity to bring in some Geelong IP for the coaching group. He'd know their systems inside and out and its invaluable to be able to bring a mind like that into a coaching group who can work on integrating that into our systems.
 
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WalshistheGOAT said:


Cook I love you already but if you get this man in I might just have to put you in my will.

With the latest developments in our coaching ranks we should have plenty of cap space to shop around for the best out there to add to our defensive schemes and transition game.

Getting Selwood in to help with development and assisting the midfield would not only great for Joel being a part of a rising outfit and hopefully continuing his long history of success wherever he goes... But also a fantastic opportunity to bring in some Geelong IP for the coaching group. He'd know their systems inside and out and its invaluable to be able to bring a mind like that into a coaching group who can work on integrating that into our systems.
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If Cookie gets us Selwood, its statue time.;)
 
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