Carlton Forums Training Thread

[BlueTouchPaper]

AD, I'm really not sure - I guess we'll wait for the Facebook photos?

Pretty sure Laois' finest was moving (very) freely. Harks, your turn to back me up

BlueTouchpaper, now that's what I call a review of training! Fantastic work. If you don't mind, could I ask how these guys went, too?: Carter, O'keefe and Laidler?

Have absolutely nothing to report on Carter - wouldn't be able to pick him out of a lineup and I don't know his number.

O'Keeffe is your quintessential black flanker - at training his solid footskills are evident. Otherwise he is solid without being attention-grabbing. He has a solid frame and a good fundamental set of skills to build his game around. Really however, is well back in pushing for a HBF/BP spot when you examine training - ie You've got Yarran training in the flank as a rebounder, Duigan and Twomey recruited for those exact positions, an equally gifted disposer of the football in Tuohy who perhaps has greater 'upside', Bower who may be finally released from CHB by one of Austin or Watson, and our already solid prospects in Armfield and Russell.

Laidler is an interesting one, appears tough and committed despite having a rangy physique, could play well above his listed height due to what, from afar, is a massive reach - Could really turn out to be a solid utility defender but is a little slight at this stage to establish himself in a mid-sized defense, that, as explored in the previous paragraph is getting quite full.

By the way - if any of you post on TC or any other Carlton forums, feel free to pinch the report and pop it on there.

 

[chipzac]

I'll let that smarty pants BTP answer the rest for you.

O'keefe looks a natural backman and can hit targets up the ground.
Nice penetrating kick would be an asset for any team.

All in all too short a hit out to glean too much at this stage.
Saturday though will be quite a different thing

Thanks Harker, sorry I forgot to mention that your review was very much appreciated, too!

 

[zeeCFC]

brilliant reviews fellas, very much appreciated!

 

[Silvagnis]

Great post BlueTouchPaper.

Much appreciated.

 

[chipzac]

It was crap!!!!
Don't you think I know that, and stop trying to cheer me up.

Well, if that's so, please write some more crap, because I can't get enough of it!

 

[blue gunslinger]

any word on lucas or ellard?

 

[Blueboys7]

Gibbs is training? Surely that gastro will keep him out for a few more months, what is our medical team thinking!

 

[Blueboys7]

A great read BTP, fantastic stuff.

Harks...just disappointed really.

 

[Silvagnis]

any word on lucas or ellard?

Plus Davies and Mclean.

Davies could take the place of Joseph down the track as a defender and run with player. MD has a longer kick and a bigger body that can really motor (ran a 15.1 beep and 10.22 time trial at draft camp). Good tackler and potentially less likely than Joseph to be exploited in the air.

 

[chipzac]

AD, I'm really not sure - I guess we'll wait for the Facebook photos?

Pretty sure Laois' finest was moving (very) freely. Harks, your turn to back me up

Have absolutely nothing to report on Carter - wouldn't be able to pick him out of a lineup and I don't know his number.

O'Keeffe is your quintessential black flanker - at training his solid footskills are evident. Otherwise he is solid without being attention-grabbing. He has a solid frame and a good fundamental set of skills to build his game around. Really however, is well back in pushing for a HBF/BP spot when you examine training - ie You've got Yarran training in the flank as a rebounder, Duigan and Twomey recruited for those exact positions, an equally gifted disposer of the football in Tuohy who perhaps has greater 'upside', Bower who may be finally released from CHB by one of Austin or Watson, and our already solid prospects in Armfield and Russell.

Laidler is an interesting one, appears tough and committed despite having a rangy physique, could play well above his listed height due to what, from afar, is a massive reach - Could really turn out to be a solid utility defender but is a little slight at this stage to establish himself in a mid-sized defense, that, as explored in the previous paragraph is getting quite full.

By the way - if any of you post on TC or any other Carlton forums, feel free to pinch the report and pop it on there.

Thanks BTP. If it wasn't for those two short interviews, I would be wondering whether Carter actually existed or was a figment of everyone's imagination. There's next to no information on him or footage of him playing, but apparently he does have a disposal that is second to none and I was wondering if anyone can confirm that?

As for O'keefe, he sounds similar to Davies only with a better disposal. Does that sound about right?

 

[zeeCFC]

Thanks BTP. If it wasn't for those two short interviews, I would be wondering whether Carter actually existed or was a figment of everyone's imagination. There's next to no information on him or footage of him playing, but apparently he does have a disposal that is second to none and I was wondering if anyone can confirm that?

As for O'keefe, he sounds similar to Davies only with a better disposal. Does that sound about right?

Davies is a tad taller and has more athletic build. ROK is no slouch though and probably is a better shut down defender than MD. ROK although injured alot, has experience on MD and is better suited at the moment for a back pocket or flank.

I tend to agree with TG that Davies could be groomed as an upgrade on Joseph as his toughness would really help our midfield. If he tidies up his skills and decision making (which should come with time, got caught a few times in his first games) he'll probably give more to the side than ROK.

Tuohy should not be forgotten in this discussion either

 

[chipzac]

Davies is a tad taller and has more athletic build. ROK is no slouch though and probably is a better shut down defender than MD. ROK although injured alot, has experience on MD and is better suited at the moment for a back pocket or flank.

I tend to agree with TG that Davies could be groomed as an upgrade on Joseph as his toughness would really help our midfield. If he tidies up his skills and decision making (which should come with time, got caught a few times in his first games) he'll probably give more to the side than ROK.

Tuohy should not be forgotten in this discussion either

Thanks, it will be interesting how ROK and Davies go during the year. One thing, though, about the Joseph comparison, if pitted against players such as Ablett, does Davies have that burst of speed that Joseph has? Endurance is one thing, but I would think, agility and off-the-mark speed is a necessity for those kind of match ups.

 

[TerryWallet]

Thx for the write up BTP.

 

[Salaryman]

Great reports guys....much appreciated, ..... Harks --> stop loafing

 

[Aphrodite]

Training started off with some pseudo-beep-test happening, lasted a very short time before the boys broke into more full ground drills.​

Judd, Austin, Henderson, Joey Dare and about 4 others were in the recovery group.​

Kreuzer a notable absentee.

The first drill was a half-ground, high-pressure drill with forwards leading from the goal square. The smalls on the wing were pressured and forced to share the ball before delivering inside 50. There was a bit of niggle and a tonne of passion with Bower and Waite having a bit of a dip at the behind post following a decent marking exchange​

• The drill showed how reliant we are on too few players to dispose accurately into the F50.
• Armfield, Touhy and Duigan all very content to take the game on.​
• Hampson and Warnock lead exceptionally well – Hampson moving far more naturally than this time last year in a FWD role.​
• Setanta the standout (full) forward of the drill.​
• Walker appears fully confident in his body – was content to launch at every ball and a few stuck - seems content with the club acceding to his wishes of more time in the F50.​
• Watson’s pace, whilst not blistering, will stand up to AFL level – of that I have few doubts.​
• Labi’s movement and cleanliness below his knees was something to get excited about – probably won’t be an AFL level player for a prolonged period, but definitely has the tools to light it up in a few NAB Cup matches and take it from there. Still very, very raw though.​

After this they broke into a scratch match, Orange bibs led by Murph – Blue shirts by Gibbs.

• The boys were having a dip – showed as much, if not more intensity than you would likely see in a NAB Cup match – was really quite a treat to see. There was a massive tackle at the interchange bench that got the 30 or so strong crowd going.​
• Blue’s movement of the football especially along the Northern side was absolutely outstanding – if we can maintain movement as such in real matches we should simply be able to dismantle the lesser teams. Scotland off of HBF, to Gibbs wide on the wing, to Waite leading deep onto the flank – Absolutely sublime stuff.​
• Jamison (who led Orange’s defence) was solid as a rock, White, at CHB looked very good as well – exceptional reading of the play to make Jamo’s job that much easier.​
• Touhy, again, very content to take the game on – Busted out a lovely goose-step on the Southern side wing before taking a bounce and hitting a target about 40 metres down field.​
• The MC seem set on Yarran off of a HBF/BP – He was exposed, time and time again by Betts – not realising that awarding #19 with as little as a metre or two results in Eddie getting the ball. Probably a good apprenticeship nevertheless, as Eddie truly is our go-to man and a good hit-up target to boot. Yarran was learning from one of the most versatile small forwards in the game at present. Yazz did make up for it with a stellar chase down of a gangly Bray, suggesting that at least his application was still 100% even if his discipline was not.​
• ‘Legs’ Twomey with a tonne of voice and enthusiasm. Appears to be a hard runner and really nimble. (Got absolutely pantsed by Garlett at one stage in a later drill )​

Thereafter, the boys jumped into a goal-kicking drill where defenders lobbed high balls to the forwards, allowing themselves enough airtime to apply pressure to the forwards. Our kicking, was, more or less, shocking. I was sitting in the pocket – so it would’ve appeared worse – but for instance Hampson, on the run, or Joseph when forced onto his wrong, are virtually 10% chances. Nevertheless, the tempo they maintained was huge and still being a good 2 months out from the season proper, I’m sure there’s still some focus on the aerobic aspect.​

The last significant drill of the morning was a defensive tactics drill, specifically aimed at quickly setting up to defend after scoring a behind. Ball movement was very hesitant, but that is probably a sign that the drill is serving its purpose.

• Touhy entrusted with the kickouts for his side​
• Gibbs appears to have a very solid knowledge of where and how to move around the D50 – his apprenticeship has served him well and because of his ability to find space he was the choice for the first target almost everytime.​
• Curnow a little unsure of himself at this early stage – also not particularly agile or athletic – perhaps he was another of those hard, uncompromising players that EP alludes to, the one’s Ratten has been demanding for some time now.​

Probably the main thing to note from the session was the tempo with which it was all conducted. Really fast and furious – but perhaps they were putting on a show for a smaller than expected Australia Day crowd. Intensity and physicality were way up perhaps at the expense of skill-level.​

Judd ran quarter laps of the oval like a metronome – 15 seconds on, 15 off, and repeat – Not the remedy for a bruised heel one would suggest Whatever setback he had, both he and Austin are keen on hitting the AFL/NAB season at full force. Austin was powering through laps of PP and really appears to acknowledge that his time could be nigh if he doesn’t break into the 22 at the start of the season. Luke Mitchell was also pushing himself and doing squats and lunges whilst the rest were doing drills – perhaps a groin/thigh strain – but he wasn’t moving particularly freely.

As HARKER says, Murphy isn't looking like he's in the happiest of spaces right now - The sooner he commits - one way or the other - the sooner he plays good football. Make up your mind now, buddy, so we can make peace and get on with the season!​

Also interesting to not that Garlett and Collins were teamed up throughout all of training, and trained away from the main group. It appeared to be aimed at developing their core strength – They did a tonne of wrestling, grappling, and tight confined ballwork. Collins appears no heavier than Garlett and it’s apparent that he’ll need to put on some size to maintain an AFL career – However, in the drills he was participating in, his skills were top notch and arguably the standout (along with Yarran who just doesn’t miss). Collins is a ‘footballer’ and whilst I’m not sure what he’ll offer our side as yet – he could really turn out to be a gem.​

Excellent report BTP

Thanks.

 

[Golden Tonsils]

Excellent report BTP

Thanks.

Sensational BTP!!!!!

Looking forward to Saturday now!!!!!

 

[blueblood25]

Head on over to the pictures thread for more

 

[blue gunslinger]

big unit

 

[AlecDuncan]

For the time I was there Tuohy "functioned"
Knee brace? I don't recall someone with a knee brace.

Actually, now I think about my wording, it wasn't a brace at all - sorry. It was just very heavily bandaged.

I can see Touhy in the photos now - it must have been Dare I was looking at.

 

[Silvagnis]

Joey Dare was wearing the knee brace.

See blueblood's photos in the other thread.

 

[Silvagnis]

I tend to agree with TG that Davies could be groomed as an upgrade on Joseph as his toughness would really help our midfield. If he tidies up his skills and decision making (which should come with time, got caught a few times in his first games) he'll probably give more to the side than ROK.

Tuohy should not be forgotten in this discussion either

Reckon Davies could be groomed to play the role McPhee filled last year as a run with mid. Hamill had a high ball drop early in his career, so a flaw in one's kicking can be corrected in time. Toovey is a member of Collingwood's best 22 after being a bad kick early in his career. Davies ticks more boxes than Browne who started well, but was overtaken by harder and quicker smalls in AJ and Army. Also prefer to have Tuohy and Laidler in the backline bringing the ball out.

 

[Blue Girl 4 life]

BTP's report pretty much summed it all it up. Excellent report/

The new faces you guys saw today were not Carlton players, I think they were some of the Bullants bunch. One of them was, cant think of his name, but saw him play for the Ants a lot last year.

Worked really hard today I felt. It was a strong session.
It is so good to see ROK training fully and running around freely for the first time in a very very long time.

Rehab group from what I saw.
Hendo, Luke Mitchell, Joe Dare (knee brace), Mitch Carter, Austin, Judd and McCarthy.

I really dont have much to add after BTP's amazing report.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

One of them was, cant think of his name, but saw him play for the Ants a lot last year.

Ash Arrowsmith?!

 

[Blue Girl 4 life]

Ash Arrowsmith?!

Umm, that could be the one.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=144868948904267&set=a.144868722237623.31488.100989216625574
That was him.
ahaha I could be totally wrong, It was from far away but thats who i think it was. ahaha
I couldnt put a name to the face.

Thanks again for the report BTP, even though i was there, it was a really amazing report!

 

[The Big Sticks]

Anyone know how my buddy Houlihan is tracking?

I haven't heard much about him in during the pre-season.