Carlton Forums Training Thread

[lopezz]

Not really an option based on what I have seen.

While I have only seen a few VFL games this year A.OhAilpin seems a more natural running player and overhead marking is probably his biggest weakness. Based on that I give him no chance of being CHF.

Ratten mentioned that Cloke, Edwards and Hartlett are all contenders but in todays game it isn't really vitol to have a true CHF as long as you have got a couple of big targets, some of which can lead up and link with the mids (e.g. Fisher). Not every team follows such exact structures anymore.

Not too sure i'd agree with you there. whilst i think Aisake is bein groomed for a tall, mobile ruck position, he was played mostly as a forward last year. His problem is not overhead marking its reading the flight of the ball, and knowing what possition to be in to take a contested mark. That is obviously a major focus in his development.

Imo you still cannot relace a good CHF you just manage to do with out. Do you think the Dogs are happy with their setup? How will the lions fair with a fit Bradshaw at FF with Brown at CHF?? How would the saints be without Nic?

Its a bit like full backs, people say no one will ever kick 100 again so there is no need for the trad full back. The best ones are Rutten, glass and Scarlet and i would take one in a heart beat! Would we trade Silvagni cause his traditional position isn't as required as five years ago, purely cause the talent level is not around?

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[BrizzyBlue]

OK, the big guns are out now. Great Gallery of Pictures from blu944 and Report from pj canus all in same thread. Great stuff boys, Carlton tragics really appreciate your efforts.

blu944 Says:

Digital zoom and 200m away, but a picture is worth a thousand words!

Too many piccy's to show here. Please follow the TC Link to view. Brizzy

http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19642


pj canus Training Report:

There were clear skies and ominous heat already in the air when the players arrived at 9:15.

It was great to see that Andrew Walker had dispensed with his sling and sled for the first time this year. He seemed to relish the chance to run a couple of unencumbered laps with a footy in his left hand whilst favouring his right arm. Cain Ackland was not so fortunate and was again required to spend at least part of the session hauling his weighted sled on laps. Cain seemed to work pretty hard today; there were several instances where he was bent over, hands on hips, pulling his sled in what seemed a far from ideal posture and yet an indication of his workrate. He also spent a fair bit of the session running stairs in the Legends Stand.

The main squad’s first exercise was a familiar British Bulldogs style exercise with a couple of defenders with tackle bags responsible for impeding waves of three to four players that would carry the ball 10-15m to the other side. The exercise was stopped a couple of times to reiterate that that player s had to protect the ball. I am pleased to say that in this and many other of the exercises completed today that the overall skill level was remarkably improved in comparison with recent efforts.

The squad was then split into two groups to contest a five-a-side handball game on either wing. If a side scored a goal they retained the ball and had to then attack the goal at the opposite end. The Hampster was again good in this exercise. As we all know, his speed and reaction time are remarkable for his size and as a result he scored a couple of handy goals. However, whereas Eddie Betts would score a goal and sprint to quickly retrieve and return the ball to play for the advantage of his team, the Hampster had to be reminded of this a couple of times which gave his teams opponents time to rebuild their defence. Concentration on these little things are the sort of attributes that set apart the elite players and Shaun will have to work on that. Surprisingly Gibbs was caught in this and a couple of other exercises. He is certainly spending a lot of this summer in the middle of the pack and I hope that being caught is a side-effect of his growing confidence to hold the ball longer and that this consequence will be shed as he adjusts to the speed and mechanics of the engine room at AFL level.

Fev was again good in this exercise. He used his pace a couple of times to create space and run the ball. Cameron Cloke was also impressive. He is bringing a bit of controlled aggression to the sessions at the moment and importantly his delivery skills are sound. I think that if he can stay fit he will be fighting it out with players like Hartlett for CHF and at the moment I would have Cloke ahead, and not only because he adds a ruck option. Harts is working hard but seems a little slow and reluctant to really kick through the ball, perhaps that is a confidence issue after his hamstring problems.

The next exercise was one that I saw for the first time today. The squad was split into two groups who then assembled in groups of four about 100m apart. A ‘chaser’ from the opposite team was positioned behind the leading group and was not permitted to go until the coach shouted ‘chaser go’, whilst the team with the ball were impeded by 3 defenders from the group coming from the other end (the fourth, nominated by the coach, would bypass the play to be come the chaser on the next lap). It was a very interesting exercise because the attacking team had the numbers initially but also had to be aware of being run down from behind. It also gave us a chance to see who the real chasers are. The usual suspects shone – Scotland, Wiggo and big Fev. Their closing speed really stood out, Fev’s successful chase from behind to close out the session was a highlight. Probably the most exciting running though was from the Irishman

Shields who appeared super quick in one session from the Heatley Stand end, that said, give him time to work on his ball-skills before slotting him at HBF in your best 22.

The exercise also again emphasised those with precision skills, Murphy and Stevens being standouts. I didn’t see Stevo miss a target today including a couple of lovely long kicks under pressure to moving targets 40m or more away. Murph has been in rare form the last three sessions, not just with his delivery, but also his evasive skills. It’s amazing that he has this ability to quickly shift into reverse to get out of trouble, whilst retaining the ball, where others would either offload or try to break-through or sidestep an opponent. Hoops was also good again, something about his posture always seems to suggest the reluctant talent (compare, for example, with Betts) but there is no question he has some of the best delivery skills in the squad.

The exercise also suggested there was more than a bit of competitiveness about a few players, and a couple of players were unimpressed about being run-down by the chaser and so took it up with the chaser after the play had moved on. Waite was one culprit, which is a shame because he was run down fair and square and, as a senior player, should be taking responsibility for his awareness of players around him when he has the ball. I think Cloke might have been another that got up and did a bit of chest pushing against a successful chaser.

The main group then moved to the Lygon Street end for some team based exercises leading from the goal mouth and resulting on a shot on goal, it looked a bit like a variation of half court basketball. I hope that others can report on the details of this exercise since I was instead focussed on the group of 8 or so that did ruck drills in front of the Gardiner Stand. I assume that this was before ruck-coach McKee. Each ruck was accompanied by a mid, first in competitive exercises and then trying to jump against a tackle bag to palm the ball to their mid. I hope we get a lot more of this. Given the potential in our young rucks dedicated specialist training seems a wise investment for the next few years. It will be interesting to see how McKee fares; I would not have considered him an obvious candidate for the role, yet it would not be the first time that a good coach could emerge from a modest playing career.

Sam ‘Sauce’ Jacobs did quite well in this exercise. He appears to have a height and weight advantage over players like the Hampster and so won most of his contests. As noted previously, Sam’s biggest challenge will be developing the engine to allow him to play out a game as first ruck, since he doesn’t have an obvious resting position he can play. He probably still also needs to work on timing his leap. As the Hampster knows, when Sauce gets it right it will be hard for a more athletic opponent to get anywhere near it. Kreuzer was also in this exercise. He seems to palm the ball more towards his feet rather than pushing it a metre or two away from the ball-up. Maybe this was something that worked very well with players like Cotchin and Grimes at the Knights, but it is obvious that Judd, who was his mid at times today was expecting the ball wider. For those who have seen the numerous highlights packages on YouTube of Judd’s clearances at the Weagles, a hell of a lot is owed to Cox putting the ball into an open corridor through which Judd accelerates into the clear (due also in no small part to some carefully choreographed screening by teammates). It will be interesting to see how long (and if) similar understanding can be reached by Judd with our emerging rucks, certainly

Judd appeared to be offering as many instructions as McKee today.

The first year players were again excused half an hour earlier than the main squad who continued with another circle work exercise. Ratts then took the interesting step of re-introducing the goal –from-the-boundary brigade at the Heatley Stand end. Players kicked from about 35m out and the group had a modest success rate but were obviously in high-spirits, as reported by Cazz on Monday’s session. A couple of the goals were loudly acknowledged by the entire playing group, which is a good sign after almost two hours training in temperatures that reached 30C.

The session ended at 11:05 after a couple of warm-down laps. I would have encouraged those able to attend on Saturday morning to get to training, however note that the CFC website is advertising this as a ‘closed session’ and which must be just about the earliest closed session I can recall!

 

[Big Bad Sammus]

Fantastic report...

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[HBF]

Great to hear that Murphy continues to train very well. All things point to him having a big year in 2008.

 

[Beloved]

Great to hear that Murphy continues to train very well. All things point to him having a big year in 2008.

Sounds and looks like it. He's really going to be a unit next year, playing an untagged role.

 

[BlueMania]

I wouldn't say murph will go untagged EB , but he wont get the best tagger while stevo and judd are out there either . Plus he'll be well supported by carrots and others .

 

[Bluebear]

I wouldn't say murph will go untagged EB , but he wont get the best tagger while stevo and judd are out there either . Plus he'll be well supported by carrots and others .

I can't think of too many teams with two quality taggers, let alone 3.
Murph will have someone sit on him, but should get a lot more space than what he did last year.

 

[BlueMania]

Exactly right Bluebear . It should be a real breakout year for the boy I think, but as you said, they'll have to sit someone on him - hopefully albeit to no avail .

 

[Beloved]

I wouldn't say murph will go untagged EB , but he wont get the best tagger while stevo and judd are out there either . Plus he'll be well supported by carrots and others .

True, but as BlueBear stated, many teams struggle to list two good taggers. I can't wait until he's at full flight.

 

[BlueMania]

It's going to be good to watch EB . cant wait either .

 

[true_blue_69]

soz guys but I put pics of todays training in the other training thread.....
I do apologise they should have gone in here

 

[BrizzyBlue]

Righto guys, I finally worked out a way to post the pics from blu944. here they are for your viewing pleasure. Thanks blu, much appreciated.

 

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Thats All Folks.....

 

[SA Blueblood]

Well done brizzyblue thanks for that, much appreciated seeing as i live in SA don't see alot of training related material

 

[HBF]

Great pics those. Excellent to see that Walkers arm is out of the sling. Hopefully wont be too long before he gets back into competitive training.

 

[Beloved]

Very good pictures Brizzy Blue.

 

[bowlrig]

I can't think of too many teams with two quality taggers, let alone 3.
Murph will have someone sit on him, but should get a lot more space than what he did last year.

I don't think he will be tagged. I think teams will look to make him more accountable.

 

[lopezz]

So how do we get updates on the closed sessions like today?? hope the club release something!