carlton v richmond midfields

[kreuze control]

Its the truth though you twat

yep, whatever helps you sleep at night mate.


the fact that 15 other clubs didn't wanna go near cousins had absolutely nothing to do with him being a massive risk in that any moment he could do drugs or do something stupid which will end his career, that he's played 3 or 4 games in the last 2 years and will find it very hard to adapt to how much the game has changed, that he is now on the wrong side of 30, that he will bring cultural problems into the club (not that that's ever mattered at punt road in all my time of following footy). never mind all of that, the only thing that matters for richmond is that you got him for free (just like in the lalaland life you live in, the best things always come for free don't they??)

 

[Rosstickle]

So you are writing off an 18 year old, who has participated in a whole 3 weeks of training at an AFL club? If you don't have an engine at 18, you are done for? How many kids at 18 do have an engine, for goodness sake? Greg Williams was written off as a youngster, because of his lack of pace/fitness. Yet he is the best midfielder the game saw in the last quarter century.

Leigh Matthews was still running around post 1975 wasn't he?

yep, whatever helps you sleep at night mate.


the fact that 15 other clubs didn't wanna go near cousins had absolutely nothing to do with him being a massive risk in that any moment he could do drugs or do something stupid which will end his career, that he's played 3 or 4 games in the last 2 years and will find it very hard to adapt to how much the game has changed, that he is now on the wrong side of 30, that he will bring cultural problems into the club (not that that's ever mattered at punt road in all my time of following footy). never mind all of that, the only thing that matters for richmond is that you got him for free (just like in the lalaland life you live in, the best things always come for free don't they??)

Tell that to Stewie Dew

 

[Rosstickle]

lol, what would you know about respect? unless you were born 40 years ago you've never even experienced it.

i can't wait till round 1 when a poll dominated by bitter people who vote against carlton deliberately is irrelevant and we kick your asses on the scoreboard. we won by 5 goals last time we played and that was without with judd. this time we have judd, walker (who has had the best pre-season any carlton player has ever had), and gibbs, murphy, kreuzer and grigg will all be a year older as will jamison and bower. i'll be waiting imatiently for that day cause when i come home the first thing i'm going to do is bump this thread.

Oh so you'll lose by 5 goals this time. That's what happened last time Juddy played.

 

[THE_GUN]

yep, whatever helps you sleep at night mate.


the fact that 15 other clubs didn't wanna go near cousins had absolutely nothing to do with him being a massive risk in that any moment he could do drugs or do something stupid which will end his career, that he's played 3 or 4 games in the last 2 years and will find it very hard to adapt to how much the game has changed, that he is now on the wrong side of 30, that he will bring cultural problems into the club (not that that's ever mattered at punt road in all my time of following footy). never mind all of that, the only thing that matters for richmond is that you got him for free (just like in the lalaland life you live in, the best things always come for free don't they??)

in 1 post you tell us that stevens is in the cream of afl players.

and in another post you say that you dont get the best thing for free.

make up your mind.

 

[mediumsizered]

Leigh Matthews was still running around post 1975 wasn't he?

A quarter century takes us back to the end of 1983. By that stage Lethal was playing as a permanent forward & well & truly in the twilight of his career (retired in 1985). I don't think we can count him as a midfielder post 1983.

 

[mediumsizered]

Its the truth though you twat

David Devine, one of Brisbane's longest standing sponsors, who initially expressed his opposition to the recruitment of Cousins, had a change of heart, but information the Lions had in their possession led them to pass on Cousins, despite Devine's subsequent support.

There was no other club that openly identified sponsor concerns as the reason for passing on Cousins. Certainly, both Collingwood & St Kilda passed on Cousins because of what their investigations into Cousins unearthed. I hope it won't be too long until the contents (or at least part thereof) of these investigation reports are placed on the public record. Would make for interesting reading, I would suggest.

 

[cormick]

A quarter century takes us back to the end of 1983. By that stage Lethal was playing as a permanent forward & well & truly in the twilight of his career (retired in 2005). I don't think we can count him as a midfielder post 1983.

That's a fair amount of twilight

 

[Barnzy123]

David Devine, one of Brisbane's longest standing sponsors, who initially expressed his opposition to the recruitment of Cousins, had a change of heart, but information the Lions had in their possession led them to pass on Cousins, despite Devine's subsequent support.

There was no other club that openly identified sponsor concerns as the reason for passing on Cousins. Certainly, both Collingwood & St Kilda passed on Cousins because of what their investigations into Cousins unearthed. I hope it won't be too long until the contents (or at least part thereof) of these investigation reports are placed on the public record. Would make for interesting reading, I would suggest.

Or atleast you hope parts of it are reaveled and its 'interesting reading' just so Carlton supporters like you don't regret not getting him even more.

 

[Barnzy123]

That's a fair amount of twilight

Yeh according to MS he retired when he was 53.

 

[getthefooty]

Yeh according to MS he retired when he was 53.

Thanks for pointing that out Barnzy.

 

[Barnzy123]

Thanks for pointing that out Barnzy.

My pleasure.

 

[THE_GUN]

David Devine, one of Brisbane's longest standing sponsors, who initially expressed his opposition to the recruitment of Cousins, had a change of heart, but information the Lions had in their possession led them to pass on Cousins, despite Devine's subsequent support.

There was no other club that openly identified sponsor concerns as the reason for passing on Cousins. Certainly, both Collingwood & St Kilda passed on Cousins because of what their investigations into Cousins unearthed. I hope it won't be too long until the contents (or at least part thereof) of these investigation reports are placed on the public record. Would make for interesting reading, I would suggest.

the reason collingwood passed on cousins isnt because of what investigators came up with or sponsors.

there were 2 reasons they decided not to recruite cousins
1. they believed they didnt have the senior players that would be able to lead the club through the cousins years, if buckley,clement were still around would of been a diffrent story.
2. they were concerned about his ability to be able to come back into afl
because of soft tissue & timo out of the game.

the question i will be asked is source, well i have mentioned on this forum before that i own a newsagency in the city & a very good customer told me & i am more than prepared to pm mediumsizered his name & connection.

 

[kreuze control]

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in 1 post you tell us that stevens is in the cream of afl players.

and in another post you say that you dont get the best thing for free.

make up your mind.

what the hell are you talking about?? i didn't say anything about stevens.


and now that you mention it, there is a huge difference. all 16 clubs would have loved to have secured the services of stevo whereas in cousins' case only one club was interested and it's no co-incidence that it was the club with the longest runing culture-problems.

 

[Bazzar]

67.44% Richmond
32.56% Carlton.

Time to concede defeat.

All the tanking and bribes in the world, and you still have a 2nd rate midfield.

 

[mediumsizered]

the reason collingwood passed on cousins isnt because of what investigators came up with or sponsors.

there were 2 reasons they decided not to recruite cousins
1. they believed they didnt have the senior players that would be able to lead the club through the cousins years, if buckley,clement were still around would of been a diffrent story.
2. they were concerned about his ability to be able to come back into afl
because of soft tissue & timo out of the game.

the question i will be asked is source, well i have mentioned on this forum before that i own a newsagency in the city & a very good customer told me & i am more than prepared to pm mediumsizered his name & connection.

Not interested, because those that would really be in the know would not be telling the local newsagent this sort of highly confidential information. If what you claim to be the reasons were correct, this information would have been placed on the public record. The Collingwood Football Club would have nothing to gain from playing 'ducks & drakes' & adopting a 'cloak & dagger' attitude with such inconsequential reasons for passing on Cousins.

Do you also happen to know why another 13 clubs passed on Cousins & your own club's, Craig Cameron, also didn't want a 'bar' of him? Surely a club like Brisbane, or Sydney, perhaps St Kilda would have the senior players to lead their club through the Cousins years.

 

[THE_GUN]

Not interested, because those that would really be in the know would not be telling the local newsagent this sort of highly confidential information. If what you claim to be the reasons were correct, this information would have been placed on the public record. The Collingwood Football Club would have nothing to gain from playing 'ducks & drakes' & adopting a 'cloak & dagger' attitude with such inconsequential reasons for passing on Cousins.

Do you also happen to know why another 13 clubs passed on Cousins & your own club's, Craig Cameron, also didn't want a 'bar' of him? Surely a club like Brisbane, or Sydney, perhaps St Kilda would have the senior players to lead their club through the Cousins years.

you would be suprised what they would tell people they have known for over 13 years.

if rod butters was still in charge of saints, i would be able to answer your question in regards to stkilda though.

 

[mediumsizered]

67.44% Richmond
32.56% Carlton.

Time to concede defeat.

All the tanking and bribes in the world, and you still have a 2nd rate midfield.

Trust you to rely on a poll on BF. You can have victories like this, I would much rather see our midfield actually beat your midfield on the football field, as they comfortably did last time around. That is the only place it matters.
BTW, I don't think a Richmond supporter should be making 'snide' remarks about tanking. TW made no attempt to hide his intentions for the game in an interview prior to Richmond's Round 22, 2007 match. And in no surprise to anyone, Richmond lost after leading at 3/4 time.

Personally I don't think players tank. There is too much at stake for many of them. Careers, potential trades, contract negotiations, ensure that players have too much to lose to not go out & give their best.

 

[getthefooty]

And in no surprise to anyone, Richmond lost after leading at 3/4 time.

Personally I don't think players tank.

A little contradictory?

 

[Bazzar]

TW made no attempt to hide his intentions for the game in an interview prior to Richmond's Round 22, 2007 match. .

At least Wallace was man enough to admit he had reservations, but all your mob flatly denied they would even contemplate it. Great game againsed the Dee`s wasnt it

 

[mediumsizered]

A little contradictory?

Not in the least bit. You could look at a number of teams over the last 4-5 years whose team selections, booking players in for surgery & player rotations, could give rise to tanking accusations. TW wasn't going to deliberately lose that game, just like Carlton didn't deliberately lose their Round 22 game, but I can't see why either TW or Ratts would have cared too much if things weren't going to plan. Neither had anything to gain by winning, but neither club had to try to lose those games, they were both diabolical enough, form-wise, to lose the games anyway. All I was alluding to is how easy it is to 'point the finger' & accuse a club of tanking, when it is highly unlikely that players would deliberately play badly.

 

[Danog]

Carlton's midfield is slightly better. Too bad the other parts of their line-up have huge holes.

 

[getthefooty]

Not in the least bit. You could look at a number of teams over the last 4-5 years whose team selections, booking players in for surgery & player rotations, could give rise to tanking accusations. TW wasn't going to deliberately lose that game, just like Carlton didn't deliberately lose their Round 22 game, but I can't see why either TW or Ratts would have cared too much if things weren't going to plan. Neither had anything to gain by winning, but neither club had to try to lose those games, they were both diabolical enough, form-wise, to lose the games anyway. All I was alluding to is how easy it is to 'point the finger' & accuse a club of tanking, when it is highly unlikely that players would deliberately play badly.

Just keeping you on your toes MS.

 

[cormick]

through the Cousins years.

Say it loud, sing it clear. You can't listen as well as you hear. It's too late etc etc etc...

 

[richoatthedisco]

Bentick was averaging the highest amount of tackles per game in the AFL when he was given games. Stevens is absolute cream when he is given the ball, and Scotland is a very useful player to have delivering the ball inside 50.

And Tambling is one of Richmond's leading tacklers. Having a lot of tackles can often mean you're second to the ball.

he's played 3 or 4 games in the last 2 years

7 I believe.

and will find it very hard to adapt to how much the game has changed, that he is now on the wrong side of 30

No he won't. It hasn't changed that much.

he will bring cultural problems into the club (not that that's ever mattered at punt road in all my time of following footy).

in cousins' case only one club was interested and it's no co-incidence that it was the club with the longest runing culture-problems.

Exqueeze me? Since when have our players turned up to training googing off their heads, stolen from each other, bashed their wives, and criminally dodged responsibility for hit-and-runs? Go check out the Bay 13 Carlton Information Kiosk.

A quarter century takes us back to the end of 1983. By that stage Lethal was playing as a permanent forward & well & truly in the twilight of his career (retired in 1985). I don't think we can count him as a midfielder post 1983.

No, but Voss was better than Diesel.

I don't think a Richmond supporter should be making 'snide' remarks about tanking. TW made no attempt to hide his conflicted emotions for the game in an interview prior to Richmond's Round 22, 2007 match. And in no surprise to anyone, Richmond lost after leading at 3/4 time.

To a team we haven't beaten for years. Whereas Ratten was appointed with half a season to go with a mandate and a blessing to lose every game.

 

[mediumsizered]

No, but Voss was better than Diesel.

No way. Simon Black is a better midfielder than Voss was. Voss was a fantastic leader & one of the better midfielders of his time, but not the best. Diesel was better than both Black & Voss. Diesel's ability to accumulate huge numbers of quality possessions, puts him head & shoulders above the next tier of midfielders.