Carlton

[kelvin_sheedy]

Pfft.

I want a win, and a foundation to a winning culture back! If we desperately need the PP (one player who may or may not turn out good) so much to reverse our on-field troubles, then we're in bigger trouble than first thought.

Screw the PP, no offense to you guys but I want our 5th win this week. This tanking talk is ridiculous.

There is no such thing as meaningless wins - to say so destroys what makes our 2 clubs great in the first place.

It's a meaningless win.

As posted on the Carlton board the gap between 1,3,21,37 and 3,20,36,52 is huge in this draft.

You'd be crazy to win another game this year.

It could be the difference between playing finals in three years or still being bottom 4.

 

[AJ_2000]

If we all expect Carlton couldn't possibly win due to the tanking issue, then we are in big trouble if we are expecting to win.

Could be a draw.....

 

[Silvagnis]

Carlton's Whitnall to make comeback

The coach said the club had decided not to take any risks with Thornton, who has carried an ankle injury for several weeks.

"We've decided it's time to get it looked at and he needs an operation so it will be done this week," Ratten said.

He said veteran Matthew Lappin would also return from a hamstring injury against the Bombers.

 

[jhgoat]

carlton will continue its bending essendon players over and spanking them very hard on the ass. we are thier bitch!

 

[Daytripper]

Pfft.

I want a win, and a foundation to a winning culture back! If we desperately need the PP (one player who may or may not turn out good) so much to reverse our on-field troubles, then we're in bigger trouble than first thought.

Screw the PP, no offense to you guys but I want our 5th win this week. This tanking talk is ridiculous.

There is no such thing as meaningless wins - to say so destroys what makes our 2 clubs great in the first place.

Well said.

 

[Thrawn]

It's a meaningless win.

No win is ever meaningless.

As posted on the Carlton board the gap between 1,3,21,37 and 3,20,36,52 is huge in this draft.

Huge? How come? There are gems everywhere in the draft, and we'll have a pick in the top 10 anyway (in addition to our other kids).

It could be the difference between playing finals in three years or still being bottom 4.

You seem to rely on too much on very few people. It will be a team effort to drag our team out of the doldrums. An extra PP isn't going to be the difference.

 

[Merv]

carlton will continue its bending essendon players over and spanking them very hard on the ass. we are thier bitch!

That's the spirit.

As a matter of fact why even turn up, lets just hand them the 4 points now....

 

[Silvagnis]

I think Waite will be our wildcard this week and potentially kick a bag of four up forward if he isn't needed down back. I have huge doubts about Saddington, Jamison and Whitnall being able to hold Lucas, Lloyd and Gumbleton to 10 goals if they fire. Even then, Waite isn't very consistent and has as many bad games as good ones down back.

Huge? How come? There are gems everywhere in the draft, and we'll have a pick in the top 10 anyway (in addition to our other kids).

How many gun kids were drafted after pick 36 in the 2005 draft?

The difference between a bottom age player like Pendlebury and a Swallow/Bartam will be huge in three years time. That's what this year's draft appears to be shaping up as if you read the posts of those who know what they're talking about.

 

[Thrawn]

How many gun kids were drafted after pick 36 in the 2005 draft?

I don't know. Wait a few years and we'll see how each and every draftee goes. Either way, it does not invalidate my statement at all.

That's what this year's draft appears to be shaping up as if you read the posts of those who know what they're talking about.

Those people are only guessing.

I'll leave it to our recruiters. Hopefully we will draft well this year, PP or not.

 

[Artie Bucco]

What you think the crowd will be this week? I'm heading to the game only expecting around 45k.

 

[Bombs Away]

What you think the crowd will be this week? I'm heading to the game only expecting around 45k.

Might not get that even. - probably lower at 40k

Cold day in Melbourne

On Fox live against the gate

Hird mightn't play

 

[Silvagnis]

I don't know. Wait a few years and we'll see how each and every draftee goes. Either way, it does not invalidate my statement at all.

Of course it does.

Andrew Swallow isn't a patch on Pendlebury or Ryder for talent and potential.

Two more bottom age guns are the type of players we might be getting with picks 1 and 3 in this draft.

You really need to take off your "I'm a bigger and better supporter than you" hat if you can't understand the difference between picks 1, 3, 20 and 36 and 1, 20 and 36 in a shallow draft.

Those people are only guessing.

I'll leave it to our recruiters. Hopefully we will draft well this year, PP or not.

One is a recruiter.

 

[Salaryman]

I don't know. Wait a few years and we'll see how each and every draftee goes. Either way, it does not invalidate my statement at all.



Those people are only guessing.

I'll leave it to our recruiters. Hopefully we will draft well this year, PP or not.

, I wouldn't call 20 odd games of TAC and the majority of the champs and lead up games guessing

EDIT: sorry to clog up the essendon board with internal squabbling

 

[Merv]

, I wouldn't call 20 odd games of TAC and the majority of the champs and lead up games guessing

EDIT: sorry to clog up the essendon board with internal squabbling

No probs Gilly.

This issue goes much deeper than any club and in reality is a football issue.

There are points for and against but the one thing that i think Thrawn is being missunderstood on is this.

Good players come from anywhere in any draft.
Of course you are better off with early picks, that is a given, but young kids will always surprise.

This draft is supposed to not be very deep and i'm sure it isn't BUT i would bet money that is 5 years time there will be plenty of good AFL footballers that came from picks after the first round.

What people like in_like_flint fail to realize, among many other things, is that evaluating kids is not a science nor a fact.

Time after time they will prove people wrong.

The so called guns won't end up guns and the so called duds will turn out good.

Anyways back on topic.

carlton look like certainties this week, hence why we will win and carry on the crazy results from previous years.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

No probs Gilly.

This issue goes much deeper than any club and in reality is a football issue.

There are points for and against but the one thing that i think Thrawn is being missunderstood on is this.

Good players come from anywhere in any draft.
Of course you are better off with early picks, that is a given, but young kids will always surprise.

This draft is supposed to not be very deep and i'm sure it isn't BUT i would bet money that is 5 years time there will be plenty of good AFL footballers that came from picks after the first round.

What people like in_like_flint fail to realize, among many other things, is that evaluating kids is not a science nor a fact.

Time after time they will prove people wrong.

The so called guns won't end up guns and the so called duds will turn out good.

Anyways back on topic.

carlton look like certainties this week, hence why we will win and carry on the crazy results from previous years.

excellent post and sensible summation of the draft situation

 

[Salaryman]

It is a good post, and the art and not science bit applies....ultimately you can judge a kid on two things a) how they present and perform on the football field, and b) how they present as a character/psychology/person. Aside from trying to project how the kid will develop in a professional system and/or take the jump up to the top level, A) is still far more predictable than B). With more psychological testing etc... we are (either correctly or incorrectly) seeing some kids with on-field talent sliding in the draft order (e.g. Daniel Connors last year).

However IMO the post does somewhat skew the later pick argument. If you go through the history of the draft and look at it mathematically, it is basically a matter of probablilities. For every gem in the rough later in the draft, you could name 6 or 7 that don't make it. Obviosly the ratio of players to failures decreases as you go deeper into the draft. So mathematically, this actually somewhat supports my argument about the large gap between 1,3,20,36 versus 3,20,36,52 being quite substantial, particularly in a weak draft.

 

[Silvagnis]

No probs Gilly.

This issue goes much deeper than any club and in reality is a football issue.

There are points for and against but the one thing that i think Thrawn is being missunderstood on is this.

Good players come from anywhere in any draft.
Of course you are better off with early picks, that is a given, but young kids will always surprise.

This draft is supposed to not be very deep and i'm sure it isn't BUT i would bet money that is 5 years time there will be plenty of good AFL footballers that came from picks after the first round.

What people like in_like_flint fail to realize, among many other things, is that evaluating kids is not a science nor a fact.

Time after time they will prove people wrong.

The so called guns won't end up guns and the so called duds will turn out good.

Anyways back on topic.

carlton look like certainties this week, hence why we will win and carry on the crazy results from previous years.

I've understand all that since I've used that argument before for Carlton supporters who have questioned our selections up until the last few years. We still wouldn't take Swallow and Pendlebury/Ryder ahead of Jake Edwards and Kennedy using hindsight.

You should start favourites against our backline which has lost Thornton and Setanta from the bacline that played you earlier in the year. McVeigh will give you the edge in the midfield and the forwardline, we don't have a player who can match Mark in the air and on the ground.

Walker would be one potential match up if he was 100% fit.

 

[Merv]

carlton will continue its bending essendon players over and spanking them very hard on the ass. we are thier bitch!

We are no ones bitch

 

[Merv]

Originally Posted by Merv Neagle

You won't need to worry about any of that tanking crap this week though as you are going down fair and square.

We shall see, my friend.

Today was soooo sweet.

Was especially significant after our first round capitulation