Carlton

[Baltimore Jack]

Gotta love Collingwood supporters, our defence stood up yesterday without Jamo i thought, not withstanding the 7 rushed behinds we missed as many gettable shots as Collingwood did including 6 posters! Kept Collingwood to under 100 points which is never easy, and without Waite or a recognised KPF up forward managed to keep ourselves in the game and if weren't for poor kicking ourselves would've been even closer..

Put Waite, Jamison, Russell, Carrazzo and possibly a fit Bower and Hampson in our 22 come finals and from what i saw yesterday we can more than trouble the pies in the first week...our only issue will be consistency and holding onto 4th spot but thats an entirely different issue..

I love hearing Collingwood supporters saying that the pies played like shit both times thhey've played Carlton this year saying if they played to their potential it would be a blow out, guess what knob heads??? you are not that much better than us and both times you have played us we haven't had Waite play or anywhere near a full strength side and you still have not been able to blow us out of the water unlike every other side you play...add to that Watson has played against u both times when he clearly is not up to it yet and costing us goals, come finals all things being equal Jamison will play on Cloke, Henderson on Dawes, Waite and possibly a fit O'Hailpin up front and Russell and Carrazzo moving through the middle and it will be a much different proposition for the Collingwood forwards and Defenders, when i saw Tarrant outmark Betts in the square yesterday it said alot about our current injuries...wont always be the case...better hope we slip pies fans because you would rather play WC than a full strength blues first week.

Dawes, Didak, Beams, Shaw, Brown.

I guess my point is every team has injuries.

Collingwood's best would still IMV beat Carlton's best

 

[blueblooded]

Dawes, Didak, Beams, Shaw, Brown.

I guess my point is every team has injuries.

Collingwood's best would still IMV beat Carlton's best

except for Dawes the rest are replaceable and have been, fwiw i don't include Russell and Carrazzo as being sorely missed and irreplaceable yesterday they were covered, Waite and Jamison are irreplaceable...our outs were still much more significant..

 

[Baltimore Jack]

except for Dawes the rest are replaceable and have been, fwiw i don't include Russell and Carrazzo as being sorely missed and irreplaceable yesterday they were covered, Waite and Jamison are irreplaceable...our outs were still much more significant..

You may well think that, its just that I don't

 

[Torpy]

Blueblooded stop using injuries as an excuse, we had like 6 or 7 players out of our premiership side out as well... both our first choice FF (Dawes) and FB (N.Brown) are out... not to mention our best rebounding defender in Shaw. The difference is we have the depth to cover such injuries/suspensions... you don't. Maybe with a few more no.1 draft picks you could get closer.

 

[doppleganger]

What i also would like to see happen is for us to hold onto 4th spot somehow over the next 7 weeks....have Waite and Jamison back into the side, Hendo to CHB, Waite to FF with Kruezer running into form...and knock off Collingwood first week of the finals....that is my next wish....

Where do Carlton supporters get off??

Collingwood were much further off full strength yesterday.

We were missing the following

FB - N.Brown....Taz covering beautifully
CHF - Dawes....Keefe a poor replacement
HBF - H.Shaw....Rounds doing a good job trying to cover for our AA defender
Mid - Didak.....McCarthy aint anywhere near the class or hurt factor of Didak
Mid/For - Beams....Fasolo looks the goods, but aint as good as Beams

The blues were missing - Jamison, Waite, Russell and Carazzo

Blues best football is hot hot hot and i'd tip us to beat anybody at Full strength in September on the MCG anybody...including Collingwood...

Carlton aint beaten a top4 team in 2011....flat track bullies.

 

[DTShowtime]

except for Dawes the rest are replaceable

I'm sorry, but you can't just replace the premier HB in the entire AFL.

 

[doppleganger]

except for Dawes the rest are replaceable and have been, fwiw i don't include Russell and Carrazzo as being sorely missed and irreplaceable yesterday they were covered, Waite and Jamison are irreplaceable...our outs were still much more significant..

LOL.

Waite goes missing every other week as it is. He has only kicked 16 goals in 2011...Dawes a much bigger loss. Thornton played a much better game than Keefe as the replacement player also.

Jamo is the same loss as N.Brown, not our problem we have Taz to cover.

Didak, H.Shaw, Beams are miles better than guys like Carazzo, Duigan, Curnow and Ellard who are cemented in Carlton's best 22!

Pies had the major absentees and won with a leg in the air.

 

[scomac]

Not going to win finals with the forward structure as it is ,why do you constantly bomb the footy in when you have the smallest forward line in living memory? As been said before they need a mature marking forward get the scouts off there butt and find 1 for next year.

 

[blueblooded]

The blues were missing - Jamison, Waite, Russell and Carazzo



Carlton aint beaten a top4 team in 2011....flat track bullies.

If you wanna play those games i'll throw Setanta, Hampson, and White in there as well who on form prior to injury were best 22 as well.

Apart from Geelong and Collingwood, we haven't played a top 4 team you goose...we've been right in all of these games and should have beaten Geelong plain and simple, Geelong i am not worried about sunny day MCG come finals we'll be more than competitive..

I don't know if you watched the same game as me yesterday but for a side that had Thornton as a key forward and Henderson as the key back yesterday i thought we did fairly well, if Collingwood were so much better they should have easily accounted for us by 10 goals with that sort of set up and in the form they are in belting sides by 80 plus every week..

 

[Blue and Silver]

LOL.

Waite goes missing every other week as it is. He has only kicked 16 goals in 2011...Dawes a much bigger loss. Thornton played a much better game than Keefe as the replacement player also.

Jamo is the same loss as N.Brown, not our problem we have Taz to cover.

Didak, H.Shaw, Beams are miles better than guys like Carazzo, Duigan, Curnow and Ellard who are cemented in Carlton's best 22!

Pies had the major absentees and won with a leg in the air.

16 goals and 12 assists. He plays further up the field.

I have already explained why I believe the absence of Waite and more importantly an adequate replacement exacerbated our inefficient disposal and forward deliveries. Structurally he is a required player, unlike Brown or Dawes whose roles can be covered for Collingwood.

Carlton's main issue yesterday was delivery inside 50 and efficient ball movement. Both come down to a collapse in our forward-line structure. Will this be fixed come finals time? I hope so, but I also hope that the club is looking at recruiting more depth in this region.

 

[doppleganger]

If you wanna play those games i'll throw Setanta, Hampson, and White in there as well who on form prior to injury were best 22 as well.

You would drop Warnock, who dominated the HOs against Jolly, for Hampson??

Setanta......bahahahahahahahaha

White.......pahlease

Why are you rattling off average players?

Goldsack, Macaffer, S.Buckley......two premiership players in there and they cant even get a game this year!!

Apart from Geelong and Collingwood, we haven't played a top 4 team you goose...we've been right in all of these games and should have beaten Geelong plain and simple, Geelong i am not worried about sunny day MCG come finals we'll be more than competitive..

How many top 8 teams have Carlton beat in 2011??

Flat track bullies.

 

[blueblooded]

LOL.

Waite goes missing every other week as it is. He has only kicked 16 goals in 2011...Dawes a much bigger loss. Thornton played a much better game than Keefe as the replacement player also.

Jamo is the same loss as N.Brown, not our problem we have Taz to cover.

Didak, H.Shaw, Beams are miles better than guys like Carazzo, Duigan, Curnow and Ellard who are cemented in Carlton's best 22!

Pies had the major absentees and won with a leg in the air.

Won with a leg in the air??, if you call 3 goals a leg in the air then you are deluded, better on the day no doubt but leg in the air is what you do to every other side in the AFL.

Waite has missed games early in the year due to suspension (the first pies game), 3 games in the middle of the year with a Hammy and now another 3 with a hip, he's only played 11 or 12 games!

Beams i said last year looks better at Collingwood than what he his same goes for Toovey and Leigh Brown and a handful of others, Duigan, Curnow and Ellard all played yesterday not sure why you brought them up?

Anyway i can smell the fear, we are the only side along with an up and running Geelong that can trouble you this year, how else can you all come on here and explain that both times you've played Carlton this year you haven't played your best hence haven't won by 15 goals? I thought the all conquering Collingwood the side that is the greatest to ever be named on a team board doesn't have bad games?? Thats what i hear every week from pies supporters and the media, ruthless, mentally strong, consistent etc etc...only must have bad games against the Blues..might want to fix that up for the first week of th finals if ladder positions stay the same..

 

[Torpy]

Both our wins have been comfortable. At no stage during either game did I feel like we were going to lose. We are simply a superior side. A bunch of no.1 draft picks supported by average plodders can only get you so far...

I don't smell the fear, only lunch... mmm chicken.

 

[bombermick]

Carlton showed that its midfield is every bit as good as Collingwood - most teams would kill for Judd and Murphy. However, their forward line is a worry, with Waite and Jamieson's absence (Henderson must play back) forcing a strategy of playing Kreuzer forward and hoping the smalls get enough crumbs.

Will this strategy work against the very best full-backs who will outmark Kreuze, denying crumbs? Hendo isn't good enough to play against the gorillas, although besides Cloke there aren't too many around. Does he enough strength to out-wrestle Hurley?

 

[DTShowtime]

Carlton showed that its midfield is every bit as good as Collingwood - most teams would kill for Judd and Murphy.

Murphy was pretty average yesterday. We smashed Carlton in the clearances so I doubt how you can deduce that.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Both our wins have been comfortable. At no stage during either game did I feel like we were going to lose.

Agree with that. I thought Collingwood never got out of 3rd gear all day and still won comfortably. Collingwood are at least a 6-8 goal better team than Carlton.

 

[Rioli magic]

Maxwell - Tarrant - Toovey
Davis - Reid - O'Brien

Who would Brown replace?

 

[doppleganger]

Maxwell - Tarrant - Toovey
Davis - Reid - O'Brien

Who would Brown replace?

Where is H.Shaw?

Talk about brilliant depth!!

Who knows how the best 22 would look if N.Brown was available.

Would Harry be played up on a wing, with Taz playing a medium defender type role?

Would Reid be played as a tall wingman roaming all over the ground?

Taz thrown up forward as a leading HF??

The point being we have as many good players missing as other teams....

H.Shaw, Dawes, N.Brown, Didak, Beams are all best 22......yet we just cover them and keep winning, whilst other teams make excuses.

 

[doppleganger]

Carlton showed that its midfield is every bit as good as Collingwood - most teams would kill for Judd and Murphy.

Agree...Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Robinson with Warnock and Kreuzer as the rucks is one of the best mids going around.

A pity for Carlton that Collingwood's mids are just as good, yet out defence is easily the best in the league and our forward line is also one of the better ones...this is why we have no problem beating Carlton.

 

[doppleganger]

Waite has missed games early in the year due to suspension (the first pies game), 3 games in the middle of the year with a Hammy and now another 3 with a hip, he's only played 11 or 12 games!

Isn't that basically the story with Waite in every single season of AFL??

He is 28 or 29 now, yet has basically only played 2 full seasons.

T.Cloke is 24 and has played the same number of games.

Waite wont suddenly become some 24 game per season KPF in his last few years....

Beams i said last year looks better at Collingwood than what he his same goes for Toovey and Leigh Brown and a handful of others, Duigan, Curnow and Ellard all played yesterday not sure why you brought them up?

I brought them up as guys like Macaffer, Goldsack are better than them yet they cant get a game for us....ie we are a much stronger/deeper and simply better team.

The scoreboard was close, but Collingwood were never really challenged...every time the blues got close we would kick a couple of goals again.

 

[blueblooded]

Agree with that. I thought Collingwood never got out of 3rd gear all day and still won comfortably. Collingwood are at least a 6-8 goal better team than Carlton.

That old chestnut again, Collingwood always gets out of third gear they belt everybody and take great pleasure in doing so, do you honestly think that in a game against a another top 4 team that the pies were crusing along just doing enough?? Let me repeat Collingwood did get out of third gear yesterday and as was the case in the first encounter weren't good enough to put us to the sword as they have with every other side in the comp...they definitely would have loved to make a statement against us by giving us a 10 goal hiding haven't been able to this season...the gap is not that large..

 

[rhinowce]

That old chestnut again, Collingwood always gets out of third gear they belt everybody and take great pleasure in doing so, do you honestly think that in a game against a another top 4 team that the pies were crusing along just doing enough?? Let me repeat Collingwood did get out of third gear yesterday and as was the case in the first encounter weren't good enough to put us to the sword as they have with every other side in the comp...they definitely would have loved to make a statement against us by giving us a 10 goal hiding haven't been able to this season...the gap is not that large..

The gap is pretty large considering you couldn't even beat the eagles at home.

Carlton delusion at it's finest.

 

[DTShowtime]

Let me repeat Collingwood did get out of third gear yesterday and as was the case in the first encounter weren't good enough to put us to the sword as they have with every other side in the comp...they definitely would have loved to make a statement against us by giving us a 10 goal hiding haven't been able to this season...the gap is not that large..

You're trying too hard to convince yourself that Carlton are a quality side. If you look at our setups yesterday, our press was as loose as I've seen this year. Comparatively, against WC & Hawthorn (2 sides we wanted to make a tactical statement against b/c of the press & Hawthorn's new game style) the press was tight & adherred to the whole game.

You can change/control the degree you press to regardless of the opponent & what they are doing. Our press yesterday was non existent. Jolly basically confirmed this after the game when he said he didn't rate Carlton at all.

 

[Rioli magic]

H.Shaw, Dawes, N.Brown, Didak, Beams are all best 22....

B: Toovey - Tarrant - Maxwell
HB: O'Brien - Reid - Davis
C: Shaw - Ball - Thomas
HF: Sidebottom - Cloke - Didak
F: Beams - Dawes - Blair
R: Jolly - Swan - Pendlebury
I/C: Wellingham - L.Brown - Johnson

Where does N.Brown fit in?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

B: Toovey - Tarrant - Maxwell
HB: O'Brien - Reid - Davis
C: Shaw - Ball - Thomas
HF: Sidebottom - Cloke - Didak
F: Beams - Dawes - Blair
R: Jolly - Swan - Pendlebury
I/C: Wellingham - L.Brown - Johnson

Where does N.Brown fit in?

23. Would have to force Tarrant Dawes or Brown out to get a game. Thats assuming absolutely zero injuries which rarely occurs. On this years form he'd probably force Dawes out with Taz playing forward. Or maybe Taz would be running around in the VFL ........he only came into the 22 in the first place until Brown did his knee.

Nice problem, huh?