List Mgmt. Carlton's 2018 Draft Thread (cont. in Part 2)

[Arr0w]

Sam Walsh will be at Carlton next year, book it. For the doubters, he will win you over very quickly.

No one is really doubting him, just looking at all the possible options

 

[Arr0w]

.....and for the all the scenarios offered here that's what will happen. I reckon the club would jump at a deal for our Pick 1 and next years first for picks 2,3 & 6 (I would) but it simply won't happen.

We will go to the draft with Picks 1 (Walsh), 69 & 71 and pick up H.Goddard as a DFA plus some rookies. Almost sure

We can add Goodard as a DFA, to the rookie list

 

[Eiffel 65]

No one is really doubting him, just looking at all the possible options

What's the likelihood of Walsh being a similar player to Darcy Parish at AFL level?

The reason why I ask is because Walsh had high production in a midfield lacking depth this year.

We're building a strong midfield that's going to bat 8-10 deep. You can have 10 ball magnets but they won't all get 30-40 possessions a game.

If Walsh comes into a deep midfield and averages low 20's as he matures, who will we most likely compare him to?

 

[Arr0w]

What's the likelihood of Walsh being a similar player to Darcy Parish at AFL level?

The reason why I ask is because Walsh had high production in a midfield lacking depth this year.

We're building a strong midfield that's going to bat 8-10 deep. You can have 10 ball magnets but they won't all get 30-40 possessions a game.

If Walsh comes into a deep midfield and averages low 20's as he matures, who will we most likely compare him to?

He is well ahead of where Parish, was at the same age. My comparison of Walsh has never deviated, reminds me of Cotchin.

I will add though, per midfield minutes, guys like Smith, even Hately, have a greater output, considering they can and do, rest forward.

Like Cotchin, the only real downside with Walsh's game, he is only a mid, no clear second position

 

[4thchicken]

Your summation is pretty much what i would write.

Imo he is at the top of the range you mentioned but looks like he could go anywhere between about 8 to 13. He is 8 on my board but could be as high as 6 as i have a 1-3 group(Walsh,Luko,Izak), a 4&5 group(Blakey,King) and a 6-8 group(King,Williams,RCD) followed by (Smith, Rozee) to round out the Top10..

His year was explained well in the last article on him i read. His production has been down as he's been learning to play with "the new him" ie the much bigger body and different role. His current is very good but his potential is enormous.

Provided that his attitude is good, that would be enough for me to trade our future first to grab him. Need to learn to play with the bigger body? - handcuff him to Cripps for a couple of pre-seasons and see what you get.

IIRC, his skills are better than Cripps?

 

[ray8182]

He is well ahead of where Parish, was at the same age. My comparison of Walsh has never deviated, reminds me of Cotchin.

I will add though, per midfield minutes, guys like Smith, even Hately, have a greater output, considering they can and do, rest forward.

Like Cotchin, the only real downside with Walsh's game, he is only a mid, no clear second position

Regarding “no second position”, l think this is going to become an important point for Carlton soon. We can’t afford to have too many pure midfielders. We will need elite positional players who can also run through the middle. For instance, Rozee looks like an elite flanker who will be able to play some midfield time.

Cripps, Kennedy and setterfield look like the core of the midfield. Although they may be able to take a mark in the forward line they are close to pure midfielders. We will need multi positional players around them, preferably with some speed.

I just wonder if our list management team is going to start looking at the likes of Rozee very closely from here on.


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[bigm386]

If we did trade pick 1 for Lucocious and Rozee would our rebuild be slower or fast tracked I wonder. Is Sam Walsh ready to step in round 1 like some kids are or is Rozee?

From what I have seen I think Smith is the most ready to go mid from round 1. But I may be well off, he just seems more developed physically.

I also think we need to again look at a rookie project Ruckman, sadly I don't think Phillips will make it he just can't stay on the park and considering the age of Kruze and Lobb I really don't want to find ourselves in 2 years with just TDK.

Not to mention I think TDK is more of a forward/ruck than a Ruck/Forward.

 

[HARKER]

I definitely think Walsh is the right player for Carlton no questions asked.
But if GC come with 3 & 6, that is worth more than Walsh.

No doubt a discussion we'll have right up until draft night and no doubt the AFL will be loving it the interest garnered by what may yet come about and for the jockeying of position clubs may yet get involved in, to get the player they want.

The club claim they want multi-positional players and we can suggest that Rozee will be a quality mid along with being a forward. Hell, he can even play in the back-line and that's all great, but what's the real advantage here?
Weitering was drafted with this same mindset and things haven't exactly gone to plan and when they don't, they can be spectacularly bad.
Not saying Weitering won't make it and even if he becomes a very good back-man, surely one wouldn't again spend a #1 on a backman again.
Our midfield would almost have been complete had have we taken Oliver and back-line may not have suffered too much without Weitering.
There's a lot to say about balance and opportunity.

If for instance we took Lukosius now, where do we play him? Who comes out for him to come in?
Do we have a four pronged forward line with McKay, McGovern, CCurnow and Lukosius? I know some will say 'what does it matter, as we have to look to the future' but there is ten years in that forward group already. He can't play back as that's full now and even if we did, do we 'waste' another top pick for a back-man-cum possible or fill-in forward?

Moral to the story: Don't try and be too tricky. If Walsh is deemed to be the best mid and you want a mid, take Walsh.
Even as tempting as a two for one offer may be, one has to have names attached to those two and not just be greedy because we can add more top ten talent to the list.

We have many quality young men in our squad already and adding more alone, isn't the trick. The development of these young men is the key and all being well with development and the addition of a couple of senior bodies next, we may well be on our way.

 

[HBF]

He is well ahead of where Parish, was at the same age. My comparison of Walsh has never deviated, reminds me of Cotchin.

I will add though, per midfield minutes, guys like Smith, even Hately, have a greater output, considering they can and do, rest forward.

Like Cotchin, the only real downside with Walsh's game, he is only a mid, no clear second position

A second position can be developed though.

 

[Wily trout]

Was pretty firm on Walsh a few weeks ago, but if Suns did come knocking with 3 and 6, I would love to go Rankine and Smith. Fills two needs in one bite. Smith looks powerful now and would hopefully have the same impact in his first year as Powell Pepper. Rankine could be anything from alright to brilliant, but well worth the risk to see if his X factor translates to senior footy, and in an environment of players around his age, I imagine the return home factor could be minimised a little.
Walsh no doubt will be an excellent player but the prospect of two other excellent players is very appealing.

 

[GoBlues!]

No doubt a discussion we'll have right up until draft night and no doubt the AFL will be loving it the interest garnered by what may yet come about and for the jockeying of position clubs may yet get involved in, to get the player they want.

The club claim they want multi-positional players and we can suggest that Rozee will be a quality mid along with being a forward. Hell, he can even play in the back-line and that's all great, but what's the real advantage here?
Weitering was drafted with this same mindset and things haven't exactly gone to plan and when they don't, they can be spectacularly bad.
Not saying Weitering won't make it and even if he becomes a very good back-man, surely one wouldn't again spend a #1 on a backman again.
Our midfield would almost have been complete had have we taken Oliver and back-line may not have suffered too much without Weitering.
There's a lot to say about balance and opportunity.

If for instance we took Lukosius now, where do we play him? Who comes out for him to come in?
Do we have a four pronged forward line with McKay, McGovern, CCurnow and Lukosius? I know some will say 'what does it matter, as we have to look to the future' but there is ten years in that forward group already. He can't play back as that's full now and even if we did, do we 'waste' another top pick for a back-man-cum possible or fill-in forward?

Moral to the story: Don't try and be too tricky. If Walsh is deemed to be the best mid and you want a mid, take Walsh.
Even as tempting as a two for one offer may be, one has to have names attached to those two and not just be greedy because we can add more top ten talent to the list.

We have many quality young men in our squad already and adding more alone, isn't the trick. The development of these young men is the key and all being well with development and the addition of a couple of senior bodies next, we may well be on our way.

If we do go with the 2 for 1 offer we’ll have a fair stockpile of young talent. We will have to start trading out some of our younger players to get the big fish in, like hawks did with Burton.

 

[bigm386]

Was pretty firm on Walsh a few weeks ago, but if Suns did come knocking with 3 and 6, I would love to go Rankine and Smith. Fills two needs in one bite. Smith looks powerful now and would hopefully have the same impact in his first year as Powell Pepper. Rankine could be anything from alright to brilliant, but well worth the risk to see if his X factor translates to senior footy, and in an environment of players around his age, I imagine the return home factor could be minimised a little.
Walsh no doubt will be an excellent player but the prospect of two other excellent players is very appealing.

100% agree to me Rankine has the X Factor that could mean he is the best player in the draft.

Smith is the most readymade and help for Cripps has to be a priority.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

No doubt a discussion we'll have right up until draft night and no doubt the AFL will be loving it the interest garnered by what may yet come about and for the jockeying of position clubs may yet get involved in, to get the player they want.

The club claim they want multi-positional players and we can suggest that Rozee will be a quality mid along with being a forward. Hell, he can even play in the back-line and that's all great, but what's the real advantage here?
Weitering was drafted with this same mindset and things haven't exactly gone to plan and when they don't, they can be spectacularly bad.
Not saying Weitering won't make it and even if he becomes a very good back-man, surely one wouldn't again spend a #1 on a backman again.
Our midfield would almost have been complete had have we taken Oliver and back-line may not have suffered too much without Weitering.
There's a lot to say about balance and opportunity.

If for instance we took Lukosius now, where do we play him? Who comes out for him to come in?
Do we have a four pronged forward line with McKay, McGovern, CCurnow and Lukosius? I know some will say 'what does it matter, as we have to look to the future' but there is ten years in that forward group already. He can't play back as that's full now and even if we did, do we 'waste' another top pick for a back-man-cum possible or fill-in forward?

Moral to the story: Don't try and be too tricky. If Walsh is deemed to be the best mid and you want a mid, take Walsh.
Even as tempting as a two for one offer may be, one has to have names attached to those two and not just be greedy because we can add more top ten talent to the list.

We have many quality young men in our squad already and adding more alone, isn't the trick. The development of these young men is the key and all being well with development and the addition of a couple of senior bodies next, we may well be on our way.

I don't think there is any problem on using a number 1 pick on a defender. Rance and McGovern would both easily justify number 1 picks. Weitering was talked up as a ready made "once in a generation key defender" (yes I know) so McGovern and Rance levels it probably what we were expecting.

 

[Thehurdle]

Bailey Williams has dropped out of some phantom draft top 25-30 picks. With his athleticism he might make a great key back to play body on body on the monster forwards. Admittedly he would be a ‘project player’, and it’s a risk. With his ruck background he looks like he might develop.

I’m a little concerned our talks backs are all in the intercept style of defender.

 

[dlb99]

He is well ahead of where Parish, was at the same age. My comparison of Walsh has never deviated, reminds me of Cotchin.

I will add though, per midfield minutes, guys like Smith, even Hately, have a greater output, considering they can and do, rest forward.

Like Cotchin, the only real downside with Walsh's game, he is only a mid, no clear second position

Yes, he is Cotchin but with slightly higher possession totals (like Sam Mitchell) and slightly bigger tank (like Tom Scully).

Note, Cotchin is a 3 time B&F winner, Brownlow medalist and premiership captain.

 

[Arr0w]

Yes, he is Cotchin but with slightly higher possession totals (like Sam Mitchell) and slightly bigger tank (like Tom Scully).

Note, Cotchin is a 3 time B&F winner, Brownlow medalist and premiership captain.

I am not talking him down, think he will be a very good player.

Note: He is nothing like Mitchell

 

[dlb99]

I am not talking him down, think he will be a very good player.

Note: He is nothing like Mitchell

He gathers possessions at a level similar to both Mitchell's (Sam and Tom). But he is not as clean or as skilled as Sam. His possession work is more like Joel Selwood.

Will he be the best from this draft? That we don't know (he may be).

I am more interested in whether he could be a cog in a premiership team. That I can see. He fits a need we have.

With all that, if we are offered 3&6 for 1 we take it (Rankine and Smith).

 

[Arr0w]

He gathers possessions at a level similar to both Mitchell's (Sam and Tom). But he is not as clean or as skilled as Sam. His possession work is more like Joel Selwood.

Will he be the best from this draft? That we don't know (he may be).

I am more interested in whether he could be a cog in a premiership team. That I can see. He fits a need we have.

With all that, if we are offered 3&6 for 1 we take it (Rankine and Smith).

I know you are a fan of Walsh, like many others. If we keep pick 1 and select Walsh, none of us will be disappointed.

Personally, he is not the best player in this draft, nor the best midfielder, but he is a very safe selection and MIGHT be the best fit.

If we had picks 3 & 6, I doubt SOS will select Rankine

 

[Red Bull]

No doubt a discussion we'll have right up until draft night and no doubt the AFL will be loving it the interest garnered by what may yet come about and for the jockeying of position clubs may yet get involved in, to get the player they want.

The club claim they want multi-positional players and we can suggest that Rozee will be a quality mid along with being a forward. Hell, he can even play in the back-line and that's all great, but what's the real advantage here?
Weitering was drafted with this same mindset and things haven't exactly gone to plan and when they don't, they can be spectacularly bad.
Not saying Weitering won't make it and even if he becomes a very good back-man, surely one wouldn't again spend a #1 on a backman again.
Our midfield would almost have been complete had have we taken Oliver and back-line may not have suffered too much without Weitering.
There's a lot to say about balance and opportunity.

If for instance we took Lukosius now, where do we play him? Who comes out for him to come in?
Do we have a four pronged forward line with McKay, McGovern, CCurnow and Lukosius? I know some will say 'what does it matter, as we have to look to the future' but there is ten years in that forward group already. He can't play back as that's full now and even if we did, do we 'waste' another top pick for a back-man-cum possible or fill-in forward?

Moral to the story: Don't try and be too tricky. If Walsh is deemed to be the best mid and you want a mid, take Walsh.
Even as tempting as a two for one offer may be, one has to have names attached to those two and not just be greedy because we can add more top ten talent to the list.

We have many quality young men in our squad already and adding more alone, isn't the trick. The development of these young men is the key and all being well with development and the addition of a couple of senior bodies next, we may well be on our way.

We need a dynamic small forward , a small defender to replace Simmo going forward and of course , more quality in the midfield.
Maybe Hickmott can be added and groomed as a small defender , ive always harbored thoughts that Polson might be equiped with the necessary tools to be given a crack in this role.
Walsh is the standout mid no doubt and id be more than happy to take him with pick 1 full stop !!
But if the club have a developed A grade mid lined up for FA/trade next year , that could open the 1 for 3&6 door.
Very strong chance of landing Smith with 6 but the jewel in the deal is Rankine at 3.
The lad looks incredible and would be a serious serious weapon in and around Curnow McKay and McGovern whilst adding the needed AFL defensive forward traits to his game as he progresses.
Its win/win really.
Walsh is exactly what we need but a combo of Rankine/Smith may prove irresistable if floated by GC ...

 

[HBF]

I am not talking him down, think he will be a very good player.

Note: He is nothing like Mitchell

I remember seeing Cotchin burst out of a pack during a trial U18 game at Vic Park many years ago, and was left speechless. Does Walsh have that burst from stoppages?

 

[GT619]

I know you are a fan of Walsh, like many others. If we keep pick 1 and select Walsh, none of us will be disappointed.

Personally, he is not the best player in this draft, nor the best midfielder, but he a very safe selection and MIGHT be the best fit.

If we had picks 3 & 6, I doubt SOS will select Rankine

Who would he select at 3 6 apart from Smith

 

[jooce8891]

no clue where to put this, but in samos instagram story, it shows a photo of newman, mcgovern, setters and what looks like jesse palmer from the northern blues on a table at a cafe, with a bunch of others boys which the faces are hidden. So maybe palmer has been training with them and a chance for a rookie spot?

 

[Blue and Blue]

no clue where to put this, but in samos instagram story, it shows a photo of newman, mcgovern, setters and what looks like jesse palmer from the northern blues on a table at a cafe, with a bunch of others boys which the faces are hidden. So maybe palmer has been training with them and a chance for a rookie spot?

At least this time its the right Palmer

 

[GapInIkonPark]

If we do go with the 2 for 1 offer we’ll have a fair stockpile of young talent. We will have to start trading out some of our younger players to get the big fish in, like hawks did with Burton.

And that is where we want to get to.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Not saying Weitering won't make it and even if he becomes a very good back-man, surely one wouldn't again spend a #1 on a backman again.

For a 2 year player Weits has already made it and, he wasnt drafted on position, he was drafted on talent and most judges had him as the standout.
The real mistake that occurs in these endless pages of opinion is to tie the form of the club to erratic form of players that are only just starting out. Ergo...we lose, therefore all the young draft choices are duds.