List Mgmt. Carlton's 2018 Draft Thread II

[Bronze]

If gold coast had any brains they would offer 3 and 15 for 1 take Walsh at 1 M King at 2 and B King at 6, 3 vic boys that will stay up there together , then we take Rankine at 3 and hopefully McHenry at 15 we get the player we secretly wanted all along and another young mid

No way in hell we would take that deal. Pick 15 is speculative in any draft.
SOS has pretty much said it would have to be way overs for him to trade 1.
It just won't happen because GCS would need to part with picks 2 and 6 and they would be crazy to do that deal. The AFL would probably step in anyway and make sure it wouldn't happen.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

This is the least excited I have been about a draft in years.. Walsh looks a certainty and the exact type of player we need and then I assume we take Ben SOS with one of our late picks and doesnt really leave much else.. I feel a bit jibbed not having a 2nd round pick to speculate about.

With the live trading of picks, could we potentially trade picks from next years draft to get back into the 2nd round? Or do we wait for a player to be selected and then trade directly for that club for the player?

 

[Omega Blue]

We need a accumulator, can't have a team/midfield of 15 touch players.

 

[murphbf08]

This is the least excited I have been about a draft in years.. Walsh looks a certainty and the exact type of player we need and then I assume we take Ben SOS with one of our late picks and doesnt really leave much else.. I feel a bit jibbed not having a 2nd round pick to speculate about.

With the live trading of picks, could we potentially trade picks from next years draft to get back into the 2nd round? Or do we wait for a player to be selected and then trade directly for that club for the player?

Considering we got in 4 players in the trade period imo the blues recruitment team are doing the right thing. 2 additions to the forward line. A midfielder and a back pocket all definitely needed, now to me our biggest need is an electric player for the forward line that can pinch hit through the midfield. Izak rankine will be an absolute superstar , we would be mad not to take him. Yes walsh will be a good player, but we have cunningham polson and fisher who might come on to fill another midfield spot so walsh is not as bigger need as everyone bangs on about imo. To me its our forward line that has been absolutely inept for the last few years and we are addressing that this year. And wright retiring is telling me we might be looking at a replacement for him thats not fasolo.

 

[Soapy V]

We need a accumulator, can't have a team/midfield of 15 touch players.

Cripps Kennedy Curnow Dow Fisher Setterfield LOB

 

[Omega Blue]

Cripps Kennedy Curnow Dow Fisher Setterfield LOB

Cripps is the only proven 30+ possession getter.

 

[Soapy V]

Cripps is the only proven 30+ possession getter.

I would say Curnow is. I have no doubt Kennedy Dow & Fisher will be 25 possession game players and I’m confident on Setterfield & LOB. When you’re young you don’t have many that are proven

 

[Omega Blue]

I would say Curnow is. I have no doubt Kennedy Dow & Fisher will be 25 possession game players and I’m confident on Setterfield & LOB. When you’re young you don’t have many that are proven

That's true.
I think dow and Fisher will be 20 impactful possession players. I just feel we have alot of sub 15 touch guys on the list.

 

[Arr0w]

Cripps is the only proven 30+ possession getter.

Not sure why 30+ disposals is the benchmark, there was only 7 players, league wide, that averaged that and only 43 players that averaged 25+

43 players (less and 3 players per team), we had 4, Simmo, Cripps, Murphy and Ed

Perhaps we will all feel more confident once the younger guys are amassing these numbers

 

[Blutopia]

Does anyone know if the club did nominate Ben or not? There has been nothing in the media or on the AFL website if we did.

Says here that we have;
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-20/afl-reveals-list-of-fathersons-and-academy-draft-nominees

 

[Soapy V]

Not sure why 30+ disposals is the benchmark, there was only 7 players, league wide, that averaged that and only 43 players that averaged 25+

43 players (less and 3 players per team), we had 4, Simmo, Cripps, Murphy and Ed

Perhaps we will all feel more confident once the younger guys are amassing these numbers

I forgot Murph. A fit Murphy without the Captaincy and now having the big bodies to help could be a very good player in 2019.

 

[Soapy V]

That's true.
I think dow and Fisher will be 20 impactful possession players. I just feel we have alot of sub 15 touch guys on the list.

I think that is changing [emoji106]

 

[Arr0w]

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-11-20/tomorrows-heroes-jye-caldwell

Caldwell seems like a level-headed kid

Murphy in the background of the video was interesting

 

[Blue__Balls]

Cripps is the only proven 30+ possession getter.

We don't have a key forward who has proven he can kick 35+ goals. Should we draft Max King?

 

[Arr0w]

Says here that we have;
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-20/afl-reveals-list-of-fathersons-and-academy-draft-nominees

2018 draft eligible father/son list
All players must be selected at the National Draft either by being matched, passing on matching (reverting to bidding club) or as the nominating club's last selection in the National Draft

Carlton
Ben Silvagni Oakleigh Chargers

 

[Blutopia]

Not sure why 30+ disposals is the benchmark, there was only 7 players, league wide, that averaged that and only 43 players that averaged 25+

43 players (less and 3 players per team), we had 4, Simmo, Cripps, Murphy and Ed

Perhaps we will all feel more confident once the younger guys are amassing these numbers

Plus Docherty before he did his knee must have been 25+ as an AA half back. We have all the key players and we just need to plug a couple of holes and allow their development and confidence to build. Rankine is the best fit for us but not sure he has the right mindset for pick 1. Could easily go to his head. But if we can trade somehow to pick 3 and get a mid-late first rounder in return, to get Rankine and another good role player would be nice. But also, if we take Walsh that will be a good pick up and although it’s not our biggest need, it will be handy. My feeling though is that Caldwell will end up being the best in this pool if he gets his body right.

 

[Soapy V]

Plus Docherty before he did his knee must have been 25+ as an AA half back. We have all the key players and we just need to plug a couple of holes and allow their development and confidence to build. Rankine is the best fit for us but not sure he has the right mindset for pick 1. Could easily go to his head. But if we can trade somehow to pick 3 and get a mid-late first rounder in return, to get Rankine and another good role player would be nice. But also, if we take Walsh that will be a good pick up and although it’s not our biggest need, it will be handy. My feeling though is that Caldwell will end up being the best in this pool if he gets his body right.

Yep

 

[Blutopia]

I forgot Murph. A fit Murphy without the Captaincy and now having the big bodies to help could be a very good player in 2019.

Murph might just stick around long enough for a flag like Crawford did at the Hawks in 08. Would be great to see for his loyalty. I agree with your post Soap, he does have a couple of good years of footy left in him. When you look at our best 22 and if most of our recruits and 3rd to 4th year draftees come on as expected, with a reasonable run with injuries - we could surprise next year and be a threat to sneak in the 8. Only IMHO though.

 

[Arr0w]

Plus Docherty before he did his knee must have been 25+ as an AA half back. We have all the key players and we just need to plug a couple of holes and allow their development and confidence to build. Rankine is the best fit for us but not sure he has the right mindset for pick 1. Could easily go to his head. But if we can trade somehow to pick 3 and get a mid-late first rounder in return, to get Rankine and another good role player would be nice. But also, if we take Walsh that will be a good pick up and although it’s not our biggest need, it will be handy. My feeling though is that Caldwell will end up being the best in this pool if he gets his body right.

Doc averaged 27.9 in 2017

If we trade down, 2/3 and 6 (which i doubt will happen) I would prefer a combination of a small and tall Lukosius/B. King and Smith/Caldwell/Rozee. I believe that we suit our future needs, while still taking best available

As talented as Rankine is, I just don't trust him, whether that be to request a trade home or for him to work hard enough on his weaknesses

 

[Blutopia]

We don't have a key forward who has proven he can kick 35+ goals. Should we draft Max King?

Curnow kicked 34 in 20 games and he will improve. Maybe 40-50 goals next year? I think McKay kicked 22 in 13 games from memory. McGovern so far in his career averages near 1.5 goals a game fighting for a goal against the Crows stacked forward line and playing some games down back. Put that together and barring injuries, we could easily have 2-3 40 odd goals a year big forwards, Fas could fire up for 25-30. Rankine could easily slot in and kick 30 odd as a small forward if need be and I also like Pickett when up and going and with an improved forward structure. We could surprise a few I reckon with a better run with injuries and with one more year of experience and one more pre-season.

 

[Soapy V]

Murph might just stick around long enough for a flag like Crawford did at the Hawks in 08. Would be great to see for his loyalty. I agree with your post Soap, he does have a couple of good years of footy left in him. When you look at our best 22 and if most of our recruits and 3rd to 4th year draftees come on as expected, with a reasonable run with injuries - we could surprise next year and be a threat to sneak in the 8. Only IMHO though.

He can now play outside. Cripps Kennedy Dow Curnow Setterfield can do the hard work. Let me play wing/forward and run. Knows how to find it and can kick goals

 

[Blutopia]

Doc averaged 27.9 in 2017

If we trade down, 2/3 and 6 (which i doubt will happen) I would prefer a combination of a small and tall Lukosius/B. King and Smith/Caldwell/Rozee. I believe that we suit our future needs, while still taking best available

As talented as Rankine is, I just don't trust him, whether that be to request a trade home or for him to work hard enough on his weaknesses

Maybe you’re right and maybe both your option or what I see as another option - in this scenario of trading down, would work.
Take Rankine and either Smith/Rozee/Caldwell. If Rankine is a bust, it likely we still get a player arguably very close to Walsh. The worst case scenario is we lose out a little. The best case is we get two players better than Walsh. We fill a need for speed and x-factor as all of these players have both of this more than Walsh.
In saying that, I am really happy with Walsh too, I just see an opportunity for us to get more from this draft due to what GC might rate very highly. Doubtful though.

 

[Arr0w]

Maybe you’re right and maybe both your option or what I see as another option - in this scenario of trading down, would work.
Take Rankine and either Smith/Rozee/Caldwell. If Rankine is a bust, it likely we still get a player arguably very close to Walsh. The worst case scenario is we lose out a little. The best case is we get two players better than Walsh. We fill a need for speed and x-factor as all of these players have both of this more than Walsh.

One thing to remember, the goal with drafting is not having busts. Don't have to remind people, how many players we have taken over the last 5-8 years that are no longer on our list/in the game, so I am content, if we keep pick 1 and take Walsh

Now, I am not saying that Rankine is a bust, but if drafted outside SA, requests a trade home, 16 other clubs would be concerned, why invest in a player for 2 years.

Walsh is a standout, but not a standout, when comparing him to the other top 6-7 players in this draft

Whatever happens, we are in a strong position

 

[Blue__Balls]

Curnow kicked 34 in 20 games and he will improve. Maybe 40-50 goals next year? I think McKay kicked 22 in 13 games from memory. McGovern so far in his career averages near 1.5 goals a game fighting for a goal against the Crows stacked forward line and playing some games down back. Put that together and barring injuries, we could easily have 2-3 40 odd goals a year big forwards, Fas could fire up for 25-30. Rankine could easily slot in and kick 30 odd as a small forward if need be and I also like Pickett when up and going and with an improved forward structure. We could surprise a few I reckon with a better run with injuries and with one more year of experience and one more pre-season.

And yet with "Cripps Kennedy Curnow Dow Fisher Setterfield LOB" on the list, Walsh is a must-have because "Cripps is the only proven 30+ possession getter"...?

Which approach would you like to take - proven stats or projected improvement? Because you're having an each-way bet to support your pre-conceived preferences on draft selection

 

[LemmingMaster]

As talented as Rankine is, I just don't trust him, whether that be to request a trade home or for him to work hard enough on his weaknesses

Lucky he does not have many weaknesses then.