List Mgmt. Carlton's 2018 Draft Thread (cont. in Part 2)

[mediumsizered]

I want to be excited about Walsh but can't help but feel he's a little vanilla.
So he's an accumulator with a tank? How's his speed and kicking skills? Sidestep?
How's Luke Hodge for a comparison?

Walsh is not super quick, but is good at getting separation from opponents. His kicking, although not elite, is very good. Among his assets are his ability to quickly sum up the play, make quick decisions with the ball in hand & keep his hands free when tackled & get to more contests than most other players.

Walsh will be a very, very good AFL player & a leader on the field.

 

[choo]

That's all good and well but he has forgot to take a few things into account, like a pick 3 compo for the GC for Lynch to start with and there is no way Brisbane keep their pick if they complete a trade for Lachie Neale. If both of these things happen the top of the draft looks more like

Carlton
GCS
GCS
St Kilda
Fremantle
Fremantle

Mock drafts this year are impossible
Even if we keep #1
I doubt gc will keep both picks
Freo will have 2 consecutive picks
North will give their first to port for Polec
Sydney don’t want their first
Collingwood may not want their first
Adelaide will want to move up
Port might end up with 7&10
Picks will change like crazy
Won’t know til draft night

 

[DangerousD]

Just read an article on Boyd Woodcock from SA and am interested if anyone here has seen much of him.

So much talk on the elite SA guys this year, yet this guy beat them all to the bandf last year as a bottom ager, was part of their champs side and has been playing seniors this season.

At 178cm he is playing a small forward role in the sanfl

 

[djw1952]

Just read an article on Boyd Woodcock from SA and am interested if anyone here has seen much of him.

So much talk on the elite SA guys this year, yet this guy beat them all to the bandf last year as a bottom ager, was part of their champs side and has been playing seniors this season.

At 178cm he is playing a small forward role in the sanfl

Just wondering.......can any of you guys come up with a list of state league players that Carlton may have a look at.........just interested how many possible choices there are out there for our "very advantageous picks" that Gil and co have been so very generous to offer us.........we the very undeserving rabble!!!

 

[No1Suspect]

Just read an article on Boyd Woodcock from SA and am interested if anyone here has seen much of him.

So much talk on the elite SA guys this year, yet this guy beat them all to the bandf last year as a bottom ager, was part of their champs side and has been playing seniors this season.

At 178cm he is playing a small forward role in the sanfl

Had a decent granny... i wonder if Wilson from norwood would be worth a Rookie spot? Kid has serious wheels, high pressure fwd. Kind of reminded me of an A Davey. Not sure how his season as a whole was though?

 

[6yearsold]

Had a decent granny... i wonder if Wilson from norwood would be worth a Rookie spot? Kid has serious wheels, high pressure fwd. Kind of reminded me of an A Davey. Not sure how his season as a whole was though?

i think he missed a quarter of the season through work commitments but i agree, he looked a class above in the sanfl gf. looked the equivalent of rioli and ryan.

 

[Bic]

Everyone whinging about not getting a priority pick and nobody discussing what players we should be picking from the state leagues with our concessions.

What are everyone's thoughts?

Do we take the best available and look to trade them for draft picks anyway? Or look at adding to our best 22?

Unsure whether we access to one or two players, but it makes it a little tougher considering we have to compete with Gold Coast and hope to get the two players we want.

Collins and Grigg seem the obvious two players for mine.

Collins starts over Rowe. Trade Grigg.

 

[CJMB]

Everyone whinging about not getting a priority pick and nobody discussing what players we should be picking from the state leagues with our concessions.

What are everyone's thoughts?

Do we take the best available and look to trade them for draft picks anyway? Or look at adding to our best 22?

Unsure whether we access to one or two players, but it makes it a little tougher considering we have to compete with Gold Coast and hope to get the two players we want.

Collins and Grigg seem the obvious two players for mine.

Collins starts over Rowe. Trade Grigg.

Thanks for help steering the conversation back towards something sensible.

Firstly, it'll be interesting to see how this 'pre-draft' thing works. Sam Edmund was suggesting this morning on SEN that we'd get access to two players and GC 3. Do we get first choice, then GC, then us, then GC 2 more? Or do we just 'apply' for the players we want?

Edmund also said that he thought GC was interested in Corbett and he might have said Collins too, immediately gives them some depth at each end of the ground in the post-Lynch/May era.

I would have thought we'd look at McAdam, plays a position we have negligible depth in, especially if Wright does retire as rumoured.

If we take McAdam first does GC go for Corbett or Collins next? If they take Corbett do we look at Collins or perhaps Gibbons? If GC go after Sam Collins we could always have a look at Kieran 'Dad' Collins or Hugh Goddard to add to the tall defender depth, although that may be dependent on if Rowe retires or goes around once more.

Other options I guess are guys like Grigg or Schloithe. Worth noting that McAdam and Corbett I believe are the only two who were invited to the draft combine, but that doesn't mean a club like Geelong, Adelaide or Sydney (who are historically quite good at finding gems outside of the ND) doesn't have some targets out there they're trying to keep quiet (someone like a Tom Stewart).

Anyone got any other names not mentioned?

 

[Blue__Balls]

Thanks for help steering the conversation back towards something sensible.

Firstly, it'll be interesting to see how this 'pre-draft' thing works. Sam Edmund was suggesting this morning on SEN that we'd get access to two players and GC 3. Do we get first choice, then GC, then us, then GC 2 more? Or do we just 'apply' for the players we want?

Edmund also said that he thought GC was interested in Corbett and he might have said Collins too, immediately gives them some depth at each end of the ground in the post-Lynch/May era.

I would have thought we'd look at McAdam, plays a position we have negligible depth in, especially if Wright does retire as rumoured.

If we take McAdam first does GC go for Corbett or Collins next? If they take Corbett do we look at Collins or perhaps Gibbons? If GC go after Sam Collins we could always have a look at Kieran 'Dad' Collins or Hugh Goddard to add to the tall defender depth, although that may be dependent on if Rowe retires or goes around once more.

Other options I guess are guys like Grigg or Schloithe. Worth noting that McAdam and Corbett I believe are the only two who were invited to the draft combine, but that doesn't mean a club like Geelong, Adelaide or Sydney (who are historically quite good at finding gems outside of the ND) doesn't have some targets out there they're trying to keep quiet (someone like a Tom Stewart).

Anyone got any other names not mentioned?

I think we go one of two ways:

• Grab the players we want.

Reckon it needs to be small forwards or mids if we're looking to keep a player. Preferably small forwards because they're typically instinctive, aggressive players who should be able to have an impact early without learning as much about team structures. McAdam stands out here, as pointed out.

• Take players we know another club wants, on the agreement that we'll trade with them.

Let's say Geelong were keen on Sam Collins. Their plan is to trade Kelly to WC for Pick 27 (received in a trade for Lycett), then take Collins at 27 before Hawthorn, Melbourne and North get a look with their late second rounders. The risk there being that we could be trading our second rounders (24 and 25) to one of those clubs, meaning Geelong could miss out on their man. We approach them and let them know we'll help them guarantee Collins gets to Geelong, by taking him pre-draft and trading him to them for Pick 27 and a future pick upgrade. They pay a little extra down the line to guarantee that mature-ager they like ends up on their list.



What I don't think we'd do is take a player then shop them around. We run the risk that nobody bites, and we're stuck with a player who got a clear message that we didn't really want them. Or only one club shows interest, but offers unders because they know we've picked up a player we don't really want.

 

[Jimmae]

Everyone whinging about not getting a priority pick and nobody discussing what players we should be picking from the state leagues with our concessions.

What are everyone's thoughts?

Do we take the best available and look to trade them for draft picks anyway? Or look at adding to our best 22?

Unsure whether we access to one or two players, but it makes it a little tougher considering we have to compete with Gold Coast and hope to get the two players we want.

Collins and Grigg seem the obvious two players for mine.

Collins starts over Rowe. Trade Grigg.

Thanks for help steering the conversation back towards something sensible.

Firstly, it'll be interesting to see how this 'pre-draft' thing works. Sam Edmund was suggesting this morning on SEN that we'd get access to two players and GC 3. Do we get first choice, then GC, then us, then GC 2 more? Or do we just 'apply' for the players we want?

Edmund also said that he thought GC was interested in Corbett and he might have said Collins too, immediately gives them some depth at each end of the ground in the post-Lynch/May era.

I would have thought we'd look at McAdam, plays a position we have negligible depth in, especially if Wright does retire as rumoured.

If we take McAdam first does GC go for Corbett or Collins next? If they take Corbett do we look at Collins or perhaps Gibbons? If GC go after Sam Collins we could always have a look at Kieran 'Dad' Collins or Hugh Goddard to add to the tall defender depth, although that may be dependent on if Rowe retires or goes around once more.

Other options I guess are guys like Grigg or Schloithe. Worth noting that McAdam and Corbett I believe are the only two who were invited to the draft combine, but that doesn't mean a club like Geelong, Adelaide or Sydney (who are historically quite good at finding gems outside of the ND) doesn't have some targets out there they're trying to keep quiet (someone like a Tom Stewart).

Anyone got any other names not mentioned?

What's disappointing about this measure is that it comes after some of the best state league players have been repeatedly extracted over the last three drafts.

There doesn't appear to be the quality there this year, and the idea of using Collins and Grigg for these mechanisms strikes me as fairly disappointing.

If the requirements are simply that they've already been draft eligible for a year, then let's compare to the first 4 rounds of the 2015-2017 drafts (I won't go further as the pre-selection benefit is likely negligible at this point):

2015: Harrison Himmelberg, Alex Morgan, Mitch Hibberd, Marcus Adams, Oleg Markov, Mitch Brown, Sam Collins, Tom Phillips, Shane Yarran
2016: Tim English, Cedric Cox, Ben Long, Tom Stewart, Mitch Hannan, Darcy Cameron, Willie Rioli, Lachlan Tizani, Ryan Abbott
2017: Tim Kelly, Liam Ryan, Bailey Fritsch, Brayden Ainsworth, Ben Paton, Oskar Baker, Zac Langdon, Dom Barry, Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, Hamish Brayshaw

The bolded are players who I think exceed the current crop of eligible players, but I'm yet to really sit down and figure out who the 19 year olds are running around in the state leagues and U18s at present.

What's clear and present is that you're going to be extremely lucky to find a full-time midfielder in such a pool of players. Kelly is a rare exception, and that was on the back of 2 years of extra work on his fitness. I'm interested in seeing more of McAdam, but what clearly stands out is that the best value will likely come from a 19 year old who has taken his second chance, or finally put aside prior injury issues to show his talent.

If we can find a Tim Kelly (though we'd likely have heard about them already), that's great, but I think we're more likely to find ourselves a very good project tall ala Himmelberg and English, or someone like Cedric Cox (perhaps that's McAdam).

 

[Zlatan]

Everyone whinging about not getting a priority pick and nobody discussing what players we should be picking from the state leagues with our concessions.

What are everyone's thoughts?

Do we take the best available and look to trade them for draft picks anyway? Or look at adding to our best 22?

Unsure whether we access to one or two players, but it makes it a little tougher considering we have to compete with Gold Coast and hope to get the two players we want.

Collins and Grigg seem the obvious two players for mine.

Collins starts over Rowe. Trade Grigg.

I'm going off Soapy's word but if McAdam is available we take him for small forward next season.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I'm going off Soapy's word but if McAdam is available we take him for small forward next season.

Could easily slot straight into Wrights small forward spot.

 

[Zlatan]

Could easily slot straight into Wrights small forward spot.

Agreed. Otherwise we can count on Lebois and Polson for all of 2019.

 

[Mondyboy]

Sam Mitchell was vanilla. Sometimes elite vanilla is great.

Side note, Sam Walsh has a reputed Tom Scully run all day tank, how many of those do we have?

LOB has a huge tank. If we’re talking the young kids.


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[Jimmae]

Could easily slot straight into Wrights small forward spot.

He's more like a short Andrew Walker, though late career Andrew Walker rather than the fitness levels of him in full flight.

He's an interesting one, but he's probably not a genuine small forward as he lacks that extra level of agility that allows such players to weave past a pack and come away with the footy.

 

[Gingerbread man]

I think we go one of two ways:

• Grab the players we want.

Reckon it needs to be small forwards or mids if we're looking to keep a player. Preferably small forwards because they're typically instinctive, aggressive players who should be able to have an impact early without learning as much about team structures. McAdam stands out here, as pointed out.

• Take players we know another club wants, on the agreement that we'll trade with them.

Let's say Geelong were keen on Sam Collins. Their plan is to trade Kelly to WC for Pick 27 (received in a trade for Lycett), then take Collins at 27 before Hawthorn, Melbourne and North get a look with their late second rounders. The risk there being that we could be trading our second rounders (24 and 25) to one of those clubs, meaning Geelong could miss out on their man. We approach them and let them know we'll help them guarantee Collins gets to Geelong, by taking him pre-draft and trading him to them for Pick 27 and a future pick upgrade. They pay a little extra down the line to guarantee that mature-ager they like ends up on their list.



What I don't think we'd do is take a player then shop them around. We run the risk that nobody bites, and we're stuck with a player who got a clear message that we didn't really want them. Or only one club shows interest, but offers unders because they know we've picked up a player we don't really want.

It is all a little confusing the only way I can see it working or maybe hope is that you trade the rights to the pick, much like the u/17 mini draft

 

[mozza101]

Now that Melbourne have delisted Tom Bugg, has anyone asked Wayne Carey who we should now be trading pick 1 for?

 

[Manhattanite]

It is all a little confusing the only way I can see it working or maybe hope is that you trade the rights to the pick, much like the u/17 mini draft

That’s a good point - I hadn’t thought of that - but it may be easier (and get us more value) to sell the rights to the pick rather than trying to guess which player has the highest tradable value. Some of the players which we may have been considering retaining may be available with our last picks so makes sense to cash in on these two mature age picks to use on the trades we are trying to do.


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[JohnnyFontane90]

He's more like a short Andrew Walker, though late career Andrew Walker rather than the fitness levels of him in full flight.

He's an interesting one, but he's probably not a genuine small forward as he lacks that extra level of agility that allows such players to weave past a pack and come away with the footy.

I agree that he doesn't seem to be a dynamic front and centre type of small forward which we really need but he'd certainly useful and an undoubted upgrade on who we have now. I think he is similar to fasolo though so perhaps not room for both. Lonie is the one that speed at ground level which we need.

 

[Judds Junk]

Now that Melbourne have delisted Tom Bugg, has anyone asked Wayne Carey who we should now be trading pick 1 for?

Personally I wouldn't be against grabbing Bugg if it didn't cost us anything (other then a list spot), he's got some mongrel about him, and that's something we lack, especially with ASOS now gone.

 

[Jimmae]

Lukosius.

 

[Blubagger71]

With MM nominating us, all but sealing the deal. Pretty much solidifies Walsh at 1 unless SOS has other ways to disembowel Adelaide in mind!

 

[LemmingMaster]

With some more information coming to light, this looks likely.

Mature aged recruits - Foley + Vandermeer
One midfielder and a solid rebounding small defender

Pick 1 - Walsh - I think with MM that has locked out Luko from being selected.
Very solid long term midfielder

Pick 24 and 25 - I would not be shocked if we lose both these picks to get MM.

Pick 37 - Maybe in return for pick 25.

Kennerley, Sparrow, Andrews. - Another solid midfielder group of players.

 

[Arr0w]

With some more information coming to light, this looks likely.

Mature aged recruits - Foley + Vandermeer
One midfielder and a solid rebounding small defender

Pick 1 - Walsh - I think with MM that has locked out Luko from being selected.
Very solid long term midfielder

Pick 24 and 25 - I would not be shocked if we lose both these picks to get MM.

Pick 37 - Maybe in return for pick 25.

Kennerley, Sparrow, Andrews. - Another solid midfielder group of players.

Would agree that given we are entertaining MM, Lukosius would not be high on the agenda. But ultimately, it is the sum of all parts

 

[LemmingMaster]

Would agree that given we are entertaining MM, Lukosius would not be high on the agenda. But ultimately, it is the sum of all parts

A part of me is still upset, I just really hope I am wrong with regards to his potential.