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List Mgmt. Carlton's 2019 Draft Thread

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On your 3 points :
Im hoping DeKonning will cover point 2 , an 80/20 split with McKay for the next decade looks tasty.
Points 1&3 could be covered using the adelaide pick as layed out above ...
We currently have 3 mature, and 1 developing ruck on the list, as well as pinch hitters Levi and Harry. 3 capable rucks is a minimum for an AFL
list. With the age profile of Kreuzer, Lobbe and Phillips, we need some succession planning. There is only one bloke I would consider in the next
draft as a ruckman near the top of the draft. That is Luke Jackson from WA 198cm high leaping type, unlike TDK. Would need to grow a bit and
continue on the trajectory, but projects like an (fit/in form) Kreuze, Cox or Grundy type, who can be an extra mid with his follow up work.

We have most pieces of the puzzle in place. Like you, I am very bullish about TDK, but we will need more than he and Harry in a couple of years.
If things pan out, we are looking to improve the list to produce that "dynasty", we need to cover all bases. If the mids are covered and the KPP
are covered it is about filling the list with QUALITY. TDK is not guaranteed, he could be more forward, could (heaven forbid) sustain MK like
injuries, limiting his career or effectiveness. I would much prefer at least one quality "back up" developing, than having to cop a B-/C grade filler
such as we had for a while with Cam Wood. The 6,6,6 zone type rule changes are going to demand a ruck capable of more than just tapwork
and the occasional mark. Brodie Grundy is going to get some enormous offers when he becomes a free agent, we need a similar type. I am not
confident enough in the future to have all of our eggs in one basket. If both TDK and draftee become top notch, we have options to send Charlie
up the ground or McGov back to make room for dual rucks. I have previously stated I see a TDK/Harry tandem as a great prospect, but we need
an effective list with established depth when we are ready to climb that ladder.

Rucks in the first round are rare. If Jackson grows and maintains his form progression (chose footy over rep basketball) he will be well worth a
high pick. I certainly don't suggest plonking a first rounder on a speculative ruck for the sake of it.
 
No, I'd rather use Adelaide's 1st rounder to pick one of the best small forward in the draft. Looking back at previous years drafts Pick 8-18 has got you:
2018 - Zac Butters, Ned McHenry
2017 - Zac Bailey, Jack Higgins
2016 - Olivier Florent, Daniel Venables, Jordan Galluci
2015 - Wayne Milera, Daniel Rioli, Jade Gresham

I'd take every one of those over Shai Bolton and Dan Butler.

It would be nice if Agresta could pluck a Papley or Ronke for us. Bloody Swans. Maybe we could just trade for Ronke. At least we know we are going to get some brilliance and plenty of forward pressure.
 

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It’s not wise to think you can predict, with real accuracy, the quality of a draft 12 months out. It changes very quickly as young players develop quickly.


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Maybe not complete accuracy, but you get a feeling.
Last year Rankine, Luko, Walsh, Hill, Blakey, Thomas and the King twins were all seen as super strong talents. They looked likely to be a top 5 pick easily in any draft year with around 5 names being an easy pick 1 many other years. That gave the perception that it was a super draft.

This years draft not one player really screams to me pick 1, players will obviously develop over the year, but the top end does not look outstanding at the moment.
 
It would be nice if Agresta could pluck a Papley or Ronke for us. Bloody Swans. Maybe we could just trade for Ronke. At least we know we are going to get some brilliance and plenty of forward pressure.

Agresta has already snared Newman for zilch whom will be more than serviceable and attracted Alex Johnson too both good assets for development of our youth and thats so important, early days yet but his influence is noticeable.
 
Maybe not complete accuracy, but you get a feeling.
Last year Rankine, Luko, Walsh, Hill, Blakey, Thomas and the King twins were all seen as super strong talents. They looked likely to be a top 5 pick easily in any draft year with around 5 names being an easy pick 1 many other years. That gave the perception that it was a super draft.

This years draft not one player really screams to me pick 1, players will obviously develop over the year, but the top end does not look outstanding at the moment.
cannot wait to not have the first pick........best double negative ever.........
 
For the last few years numerous under agers really impressed me in the big games during the Carnival and Finals. This year only 2 stood out for me. Both outstanding but both with question marks. Those question marks might hold them back or might be no obstacle to just pure talent.

1. Dylan Williams. Not many players make you go wow. Williams did. Might not be big enough or quick enough against seniors, but may just be a freak.

2. Matt Rowell. Just kept getting it. He's developed but not overdeveloped yet to be the reason he just kept getting it. Not overly polished, but damn he kept getting it in smart ways.

Others were notable, but they are the 2 that stood out to me this year.
 
Agresta has already snared Newman for zilch whom will be more than serviceable and attracted Alex Johnson too both good assets for development of our youth and thats so important, early days yet but his influence is noticeable.
Not zilch. He's given up a tier 2 state or junior player, because that's what a fourth round pick delivers.
 
Agresta has already snared Newman for zilch whom will be more than serviceable and attracted Alex Johnson too both good assets for development of our youth and thats so important, early days yet but his influence is noticeable.

For us though, Newman was a known quantity. Even I was saying he would be a great candidate midseason.

He may have plucked him for the Swans originally though.

I'm thinking of mature rookie small forwards in general going forward.
 
Maybe not complete accuracy, but you get a feeling.
Last year Rankine, Luko, Walsh, Hill, Blakey, Thomas and the King twins were all seen as super strong talents. They looked likely to be a top 5 pick easily in any draft year with around 5 names being an easy pick 1 many other years. That gave the perception that it was a super draft.

This years draft not one player really screams to me pick 1, players will obviously develop over the year, but the top end does not look outstanding at the moment.

Last year was a standout with the top 6. In general though BigFooty.com posters has been very poor at predicting the quality of the coming years draft. Happens every year.

On top of that there is always a simplistic discussion about these drafts, it’s either good or bad. The reality is some have a great top end, others have great depth, which is better?At what point does the quality drop away is very important.

The year Tom Williamson(pick 60 something)was taken, 2016, l continually read how is wasn’t a great draft up until the last few months. Suddenly it all changed and we had one of the best drafts for depth.

Right now there about a 100 top under 18 prospects and there football will change a lot over the course of the year. Anything could happen.

I think people want to feel better about the fact sos traded our first rounder in the 2019 draft so they run it down.




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Last year was a standout with the top 6. In general though BigFooty.com posters has been very poor at predicting the quality of the coming years draft. Happens every year.

On top of that there is always a simplistic discussion about these drafts, it’s either good or bad. The reality is some have a great top end, others have great depth, which is better?At what point does the quality drop away is very important.

The year Tom Williamson(pick 60 something)was taken, 2016, l continually read how is wasn’t a great draft up until the last few months. Suddenly it all changed and we had one of the best drafts for depth.

Right now there about a 100 top under 18 prospects and there football will change a lot over the course of the year. Anything could happen.

I think people want to feel better about the fact sos traded our first rounder in the 2019 draft so they run it down.




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I don't profess to be an expert when it comes to potential draftees, but when you look at the 2018 under age players compared to the 2017 ones, it is already clear the depth of talent is not as good. Some players who have not really impressed so far may well have a breakout Under 18 year in 2019, but I don't think there will be enough of them to push the 2019 draft class anywhere near the 2018 group.
 

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I don't profess to be an expert when it comes to potential draftees, but when you look at the 2018 under age players compared to the 2017 ones, it is already clear the depth of talent is not as good. Some players who have not really impressed so far may well have a breakout Under 18 year in 2019, but I don't think there will be enough of them to push the 2019 draft class anywhere near the 2018 group.

Every year a lot of low profile kids improve dramatically. Some struggled to get onto TAC cup lists. There are a lot of unknowns at this point.

Comparing the depth of talent at the underage level is fraught with risk. So much change is about to take place.


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Billings could be a jet playing as an outside midfielder. His game would elevate playing alongside Cripps.

I like Taranto but highly unlikely GWS will let him go.

Jack Martin is the one I'm least certain of. He's not the greatest contested ball player and I'm not convinced he has the endurance to play as an outside midfielder or on the wing. I know people will tell me he's a talent. I'm just not convinced he'll take the next step in his career.

With Martin, I honestly believe it's what you see is what you get. He'll remain on the flanks for the remainder of his career and drift in and out of games on a regular basis.

Not saying he's a bad player or that's a bad thing. Just don't think he'd become the player we'd expect him to become if we recruited him from Gold Coast.
Martin reminds me of Waite in the way that he's a pretty mature age already but people still talk about his potential.
In saying that I wouldnt mind him, upgrade on Garlett and would be best a lock for the 22
 
billings a short-stepper?

Here comes the short-stepper, pack herderer
He's a goal-kicking shankster, murderer
He'll never make it up the ground, furtherer
Still take him as a forward... Flankerer.

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Will I make it as a rapper?

Na, Na Na Na na....
 
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