List Mgmt. Carlton's 2019 Draft Thread

[ferrisb]

The thing with Webb is that he's had such a bad run with injuries that he could still surprise on the upside.

Look forward to seeing what he can produce.

All the more reason to Rookie him..

 

[Post padding]

Well, a million and one things go into it(i've got time on my hands and this is a hobby) but it gets down to feel in the end. I feel that with every Top 25 pick you should be aiming for a 200 gamer.

For me, to sorta simplify it:

1) watch full games at the highest level possible (watch games a few times each) to form own opinion on likely transferable AFL quality.

2) listen/read info on player intangibles from people who know them better than me (ie leadership, dedication, flakiness etc)

3) envision 200 AFL games from said player at near their best and what they can add to structure/fabric of a successful team.

4) judge risk of said player getting to 200 games.

A lot of time and a serious hobby.

Great work

 

[swuzzlebubble]

What would next year's first be worth straight swap into this draft?
12?
Allowing for where we might finish
Discount for Academies
Discount for bringing fwd.

 

[Revenant1995]

What would next year's first be worth straight swap into this draft?
12?
Allowing for where we might finish
Discount for Academies
Discount for bringing fwd.

Like the question, and I am not a footy nuffie enough to give an answer except for GC. Our next year first for their 15 & 20 this year, and their next year 1st pick plus pick 11. My parents told me I should never swear, so I can't say what I think of GC at the moment....

 

[thylacine60]

A lot of time and a serious hobby.

Great work

brilliant username

 

[windows1]

Just posted this on Freo Board.

Like WHY wouldn’t we?

Blues apparently really like Henry. Gets to draft night. We ring the Freo recruiter. Freo have been unsuccessful moving up from 10 (to say 8) as Melb etc has players there they wanted.

We say “We can bid or trade. Here’s the trade:

Blues trade future 3rd for say 50. We ask who Freo are taking next. If our player it’s no deal. If not our player we on trade 43, 50 and 57 to Freo (points = 833) for 22 (845 points). Swap 9 and 10. Could push to keep 57 I suppose but whatever.

Freo get 3 guns instead of 2. We get pick 22 instead of third rounders. Same player.

Like that’s the worst it could be. But I’d do it. Screw the late picks (we are shit at it anyway Harker!!!).

Thoughts?

 

[murphster]

Just posted this on Freo Board.

Like WHY wouldn’t we?

Blues apparently really like Henry. Gets to draft night. We ring the Freo recruiter. Freo have been unsuccessful moving up from 10 (to say 8) as Melb etc has players there they wanted.

We say “We can bid or trade. Here’s the trade:

Blues trade future 3rd for say 50. We ask who Freo are taking next. If our player it’s no deal. If not our player we on trade 43, 50 and 57 to Freo (points = 833) for 22 (845 points). Swap 9 and 10. Could push to keep 57 I suppose but whatever.

Freo get 3 guns instead of 2. We get pick 22 instead of third rounders. Same player.

Like that’s the worst it could be. But I’d do it. Screw the late picks (we are shit at it anyway Harker!!!).

Thoughts?

I like it as it is the best possible trade for us but I think 9 & 43 should be enough to get it done if we have to throw in 57 but that’s it, they have to pay some sort of premium as we are ensuring they get an extra top 10 pick as well as Henry otherwise all they get is Henry and 22 I’m sure they get a lot better player at 9 than at 22, actually yeah screw them 9 & 43 is more than enough maybe even 9 & 57 as they are pretty much upgrading 22 to 9 if you think about it.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Does Will Gould have the ability to play through the middle of the ground?

He seems to remind me a lot of 2005 Shannon Hurn.

 

[murphster]

Does Will Gould have the ability to play through the middle of the ground?

He seems to remind me a lot of 2005 Shannon Hurn.

I was actually thinking the same thing yesterday and to be honest who knows, not sure if he has ever been played through the guts but at his size would be impossible to push off the ball, not sure how good his hands are in close, if they are as good as his kicking he could, or whether he would be able to get to all the contests but at 106kg he would be damaging if he could.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I was actually thinking the same thing yesterday and to be honest who knows, not sure if he has ever been played through the guts but at his size would be impossible to push off the ball, not sure how good his hands are in close, if they are as good as his kicking he could, or whether he would be able to get to all the contests but at 106kg he would be damaging if he could.

Worst Case - he becomes David Myers

 

[Sector 7G]

Does Will Gould have the ability to play through the middle of the ground?

He seems to remind me a lot of 2005 Shannon Hurn.

Or is he more of an Aaron Francis/ Darcy Fogarty -Talented in betweener that doesn't have a tank? Though Francis did go through the middle a bit in juniors from memory.

Hurn, while built like a tank is only 187 and capable of playing small.

 

[HARKER]

Like that’s the worst it could be. But I’d do it. Screw the late picks (we are shit at it anyway Harker!!!).

We haven't been good and that's for all to see. It's not the main point though.
You focus on needs, you should theoretically have a better chance of making good.
What's the point of simply adding more of what we have, or adding players just because they're 25 and not 18 or 19?

Can you imaging taking Ash and then adding on another three HBF's later in the draft, whilst ignoring needs? How dumb would that be?
Even if some players don't work out, at least you can say you've tried as opposed to something that has no hope of working out. Big difference to me.

 

[windows1]

Or is he more of an Aaron Francis/ Darcy Fogarty -Talented in betweener that doesn't have a tank? Though Francis did go through the middle a bit in juniors from memory.

Hurn, while built like a tank is only 187 and capable of playing small.

I loved Francis as a junior but he was an unconvincing mid.

 

[smashbox gill]

I like it as it is the best possible trade for us but I think 9 & 43 should be enough to get it done if we have to throw in 57 but that’s it, they have to pay some sort of premium as we are ensuring they get an extra top 10 pick as well as Henry otherwise all they get is Henry and 22 I’m sure they get a lot better player at 9 than at 22, actually yeah screw them 9 & 43 is more than enough maybe even 9 & 57 as they are pretty much upgrading 22 to 9 if you think about it.

It actually does not work for them.
They won’t be able to afford Henry with the later picks even if we give both 43 & 57

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Or is he more of an Aaron Francis/ Darcy Fogarty -Talented in betweener that doesn't have a tank? Though Francis did go through the middle a bit in juniors from memory.

Hurn, while built like a tank is only 187 and capable of playing small.

I was referencing Hurn more as a weapon off HBF w/ a penetrating kick and an already developed (man-child) frame in the championships.

Also/ the fact that they both captained South Autralia probably also helps with the connection.

 

[HARKER]

Well, a million and one things go into it(i've got time on my hands and this is a hobby) but it gets down to feel in the end. I feel that with every Top 25 pick you should be aiming for a 200 gamer.

For me, to sorta simplify it:

1) watch full games at the highest level possible (watch games a few times each) to form own opinion on likely transferable AFL quality.
2) listen/read info on player intangibles from people who know them better than me (ie leadership, dedication, flakiness etc)
3) envision 200 AFL games from said player at near their best and what they can add to structure/fabric of a successful team.
4) judge risk of said player getting to 200 games.

1. Watch as many full games 'live' as possible. Much easier to get a handle on a player that way.
2. People say what they want to say. Sure, you can glean something from that by all means but of you're not hearing it from coaches, you may be missing out on plenty of the correct information. The term leadership gets bandied around regularly, and flakiness rarely if ever.
3. Fair enough
4. How exactly does one judge this risk?

I just find that some people pick things up quickly and some can watch every game through a year and just tell you what they saw.
Not wanting to put names to that, but you get the idea.

 

[TerryWallet]

I agree it is all judgement in the end, and at the end of the day all you have is your own judgement and record.

I also agree that a relatively poor judge can watch as many games and as much vision as he wants, but he will still be a relatively poor judge.

It's not sheepstations here, it is a hobby and an interest for all who have this interest in the draft. Me personally, i reckon i have a good eye and am happy with my record, all hits, misses and in betweens included. But maybe that's a bit of the ol ego in all of us.

I don't mind putting my thoughts up here, i'm very interested in reading others own thoughts and enjoy the draft convo's this time of the year. It's a bit o fun....more fun, for me, than plenty of the other convo's on here. Each to their own.

I'd like to have an actual convo with you or others about thoughts, like the 4 points i raised and your replies to them, but honestly so much gets lost in the weeds and misinterpreted in BF posts that i'd rather just leave it.

I still can't decide who i wan't for Carlton yet either. Been concentrating on the draft as a whole. Guess i should start thinkin about it so i can boo or cheer on the night lol.

 

[thylacine60]

Worst Case - he becomes David Myers

not even as a joke, c4............

 

[windows1]

Terrywallet

Talk to me about Jay Rantall. I haven’t focused on him. I just have these memories of his hands and vision. His running is out of this world. And he’s barely played before this year yet gets 25 a game.

Talk to me. Is the kicking THAT bad?

 

[TerryWallet]

Terrywallet

Talk to me about Jay Rantall. I haven’t focused on him. I just have these memories of his hands and vision. His running is out of this world. And he’s barely played before this year yet gets 25 a game.

Talk to me. Is the kicking THAT bad?

The kicking( or more precisely, the result/production) of his game doesn't greatly impress me. He has potential, but i am personally comfortable to have him 25-40. He's a chance. Seems like a real Brisbane draftee. Country lad, already used to travel/movement. They have 16 and 21 i think. Have to be a big chance to go there.

 

[BlueJet]

Terrywallet

Talk to me about Jay Rantall. I haven’t focused on him. I just have these memories of his hands and vision. His running is out of this world. And he’s barely played before this year yet gets 25 a game.

Talk to me. Is the kicking THAT bad?

Admittedly I have a bias towards Rebels players but I can see Rantall being this years Worpel equivalent.
Teams will be scared off by is disposal by foot but his production or ability to keep himself involved in the game should translate to AFL footy - as a late convert to footy there should be plenty of scope for improvement in his game.
A likely 2nd round selection for mine.

 

[TerryWallet]

Profiles and videos are up:

Draft Prospects - AFL.com.au

We take a look at the top group of prospects for this year's NAB AFL Draft.

www.afl.com.au

 

[windows1]

Profiles and videos are up:

Draft Prospects - AFL.com.au

We take a look at the top group of prospects for this year's NAB AFL Draft.

www.afl.com.au

Some interesting stats I haven’t seen before in there. A couple of quick observations:

Young’s kicking is ridiculous. As is his DE generally. I’ve literally been toying with the idea of him sliding (to like 6-8) this afternoon and I’ve now thrown that idea in the bin. He’s either 3 or 4.

Flanders and Serong KE both pretty ordinary for guys who didn’t get more than 50 percent contested. I don’t see Flanders as that bad but maybe I’m wrong. Or maybe he bites off a lot. Serong I DO think is ordinary by foot.m

If Sharp goes top 25 being that outside AND only a 60 percent by foot, and I think not amazing speed- I’ll eat my hat.

 

[GT619]

Some interesting stats I haven’t seen before in there. A couple of quick observations:

Young’s kicking is ridiculous. As is his DE generally. I’ve literally been toying with the idea of him sliding (to like 6-8) this afternoon and I’ve now thrown that idea in the bin. He’s either 3 or 4.

Flanders and Serong KE both pretty ordinary for guys who didn’t get more than 50 percent contested. I don’t see Flanders as that bad but maybe I’m wrong. Or maybe he bites off a lot. Serong I DO think is ordinary by foot.m

If Sharp goes top 25 being that outside AND only a 60 percent by foot, and I think not amazing speed- I’ll eat my hat.

I watched ash’s footage. Gee he’d be perfect for us

 

[mediumsizered]

Admittedly I have a bias towards Rebels players but I can see Rantall being this years Worpel equivalent.
Teams will be scared off by is disposal by foot but his production or ability to keep himself involved in the game should translate to AFL footy - as a late convert to footy there should be plenty of scope for improvement in his game.
A likely 2nd round selection for mine.

Good summation. The one word that comes to mind when I think of Rantall is 'consistency'. You knew what you were going to get from him every week, even though he was playing in a team that didn't set the world on fire.