List Mgmt. Carlton's 2019 Draft Thread

[LemmingMaster]

Here you go, LM.

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I bought you a joke detector

Stupid Santa not giving me a detector for Christmas

 

[goBlue]

Interesting draft pool next year. Inside mail has the early picks are pretty crap and doesn't get strong until about wherever Adelaide finish.

This is the funniest statement ever. haha

 

[Metalcrusher]

This is the funniest statement ever. haha

You are.

 

[goBlue]

You are.

lol

 

[The Smoking Gun]

What are your thoughts on Mitch O’Neill

I think we really need to see how he develops yet Browny. At the moment he's a very lightly built 69kg outside mid who is really dependent upon others finding the ball for him or spilling out of a contest his way.



Having said that he does work hard to put himself in positions close enough to the play so his team mates can make use of him regularly and occasionally find his own ball if comes out of a contest or in a crumbing situation.



At the moment he doesn't really a have any defensive side to his game. That may change as he puts on a little size and his game develops where he's used more as in balanced role. When you're undersized and under-age, the hardest thing is simply getting your hands on the ball and he did that better than any under-ager in this years Nationals.



At this stage O'Neill doesn't quite have the presence of Sharp and nor does he have the penetration with his disposal that Sharp does. The basics are all there though and there's lots to like so it'll be interesting to see how players like O'Neill and Flanders develop over the next 6-10 months.

 

[ferrisb]

Photos: his truly

 

[HARKER]

Arr0w or anyone else who wants to have a go at this;
Who are your top six at this stage and which players would you say would make for the best fit for the club.

The reason I ask is that we'll have a lot of talk through the year as to who we could have picked up with the pick we could have had, but what's really available that doesn't double up on what we have.
By double up, I mean do we need another inside mid? Another KPF or KPD?

It's very early and impossible to make sense of things just yet, but at some point in time we will be wondering what we may have had with a likely top 6 pick and whether that player will be better than Stocker alone, or better than the sum of Stocker and Adelaides first pick.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Arr0w or anyone else who wants to have a go at this;
Who are your top six at this stage and which players would you say would make for the best fit for the club.

The reason I ask is that we'll have a lot of talk through the year as to who we could have picked up with the pick we could have had, but what's really available that doesn't double up on what we have.
By double up, I mean do we need another inside mid? Another KPF or KPD?

It's very early and impossible to make sense of things just yet, but at some point in time we will be wondering what we may have had with a likely top 6 pick and whether that player will be better than Stocker alone, or better than the sum of Stocker and Adelaides first pick.

Depends on how our list develops in 2019. We'd probably look at a running defender or small forward type.

If players like Newman, Garlett and Williamson don't grab their spot in our starting 22 across half back, I'd say we'd be heavily into Hayden Young.

Caleb Serong as a small forward would be strongly considered, as would Sam Flanders and Dylan Williams across half forward.

If we go for another midfielder, Noah Anderson is probably the one to look at.

 

[Arr0w]

Arr0w or anyone else who wants to have a go at this;
Who are your top six at this stage and which players would you say would make for the best fit for the club.

The reason I ask is that we'll have a lot of talk through the year as to who we could have picked up with the pick we could have had, but what's really available that doesn't double up on what we have.
By double up, I mean do we need another inside mid? Another KPF or KPD?

It's very early and impossible to make sense of things just yet, but at some point in time we will be wondering what we may have had with a likely top 6 pick and whether that player will be better than Stocker alone, or better than the sum of Stocker and Adelaides first pick.

In terms of the best player for our needs, you know I always prefer best available when drafting and needs when targeting an existing player, OOC, FA or otherwise

If we are keeping Adelaide's pick, then my first post in this thread is still relevant. https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/carltons-2019-draft-thread.1209887/#post-59032400

I feel that the core group is with us, despite requiring more development/experience, so I would be open to targeting draftees with so xfactor/speed

If we are trading Adelaide's pick then this is still relevant. https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2019-fa-targets.1210090/#post-59080139

Some would be difficult to acquire. I feel a ruckman in the 23-25 age bracket is important, but must be a threat when resting forward. I know Coniglio and Kelly have been discussed at length, although I believe both will take a different path.

If I was to select one FA, IMHO, the best current option would be Cunningham from the Swans, has all the attributes of someone we lack. Consistent, quick, outstanding user of the ball, who could either be used as an accumulator, an attacking tagger or even an attacking HB (depending if Doc comes back to his best or not)

 

[Eiffel 65]

Arr0w or anyone else who wants to have a go at this;
Who are your top six at this stage and which players would you say would make for the best fit for the club.

The reason I ask is that we'll have a lot of talk through the year as to who we could have picked up with the pick we could have had, but what's really available that doesn't double up on what we have.
By double up, I mean do we need another inside mid? Another KPF or KPD?

It's very early and impossible to make sense of things just yet, but at some point in time we will be wondering what we may have had with a likely top 6 pick and whether that player will be better than Stocker alone, or better than the sum of Stocker and Adelaides first pick.

Time will tell but I don't see us selecting in the first round in the 2019 AFL draft.

If we are trading though, I hope we don't just overpay for the sake of bringing in mature aged talent.

There's enough talent in this draft and if we end up with a pick around say 10-12, you never know what will slide on the night. There always seems to be a bargain around that range. E.g. Jye Caldwell in 2018, Darcy Fogarty in 2017, Will Brodie in 2016 and Charlie Curnow in 2015.

 

[HARKER]

Time will tell but I don't see us selecting in the first round in the 2019 AFL draft.
If we are trading though, I hope we don't just overpay for the sake of bringing in mature aged talent.

There's enough talent in this draft and if we end up with a pick around say 10-12, you never know what will slide on the night. There always seems to be a bargain around that range. E.g. Jye Caldwell in 2018, Darcy Fogarty in 2017, Will Brodie in 2016 and Charlie Curnow in 2015.

Gut tells me that next years first was always going to be parked away for a player/s but nevertheless, the talk will be all over who we could have got.

I may be wrong, but I didn't see any players that genuinely interested me via the champs.
There were, but not at the level of the players the year before. i.e. Walsh, Lukosius, Rankine and the prospect of the King Bros.

It's not out of the question that the CFC saw Stocker as being better than for all the prospects the following year, is it?

 

[Eiffel 65]

Gut tells me that next years first was always going to be parked away for a player/s but nevertheless, the talk will be all over who we could have got.

I may be wrong, but I didn't see any players that genuinely interested me via the champs.
There were, but not at the level of the players the year before. i.e. Walsh, Lukosius, Rankine and the prospect of the King Bros.

It's not out of the question that the CFC saw Stocker as being better than for all the prospects the following year, is it?

Brisbane traded their 2019 1st round selection for 2 x 2nd round selections and 1 x 3rd round selection.

We're not the only club that thought trading a future first was worth the risk.

 

[Red Bull]

Gut tells me that next years first was always going to be parked away for a player/s but nevertheless, the talk will be all over who we could have got.

I may be wrong, but I didn't see any players that genuinely interested me via the champs.
There were, but not at the level of the players the year before. i.e. Walsh, Lukosius, Rankine and the prospect of the King Bros.

It's not out of the question that the CFC saw Stocker as being better than for all the prospects the following year, is it?

Maybe the adelaide pick could be broken down to advantage.
Lets say adelaide finish 8th and richmond 1st , picks 11 and 18 respectively.
Needing a clever small forward and a small running defender , would we consider trading picks with richmond with Dan Butler or Shai Bolton added then drafting the small running defender with the richmond pick.
In effect , we trade our 2019 1st pick for Stocker , a small running defender to replace Simpson and a clever small forward in either Butler or Bolton ... all players of need.
We have our core in place now , the future stars are there , they just need time , development and games togeather.
This use of our resources may well help round out the bigger picture of the team of the future ...

 

[Arr0w]

At this stage, next year's draft does not have the overall top 10 quality of this year's draft

 

[smashbox gill]

Maybe the adelaide pick could be broken down to advantage.
Lets say adelaide finish 8th and richmond 1st , picks 11 and 18 respectively.
Needing a clever small forward and a small running defender , would we consider trading picks with richmond with Dan Butler or Shai Bolton added then drafting the small running defender with the richmond pick.
In effect , we trade our 2019 1st pick for Stocker , a small running defender to replace Simpson and a clever small forward in either Butler or Bolton ... all players of need.
We have our core in place now , the future stars are there , they just need time , development and games togeather.
This use of our resources may well help round out the bigger picture of the team of the future ...

No, I'd rather use Adelaide's 1st rounder to pick one of the best small forward in the draft. Looking back at previous years drafts Pick 8-18 has got you:
2018 - Zac Butters, Ned McHenry
2017 - Zac Bailey, Jack Higgins
2016 - Olivier Florent, Daniel Venables, Jordan Galluci
2015 - Wayne Milera, Daniel Rioli, Jade Gresham

I'd take every one of those over Shai Bolton and Dan Butler.

 

[Red Bull]

No, I'd rather use Adelaide's 1st rounder to pick one of the best small forward in the draft. Looking back at previous years drafts Pick 8-18 has got you:
2018 - Zac Butters, Ned McHenry
2017 - Zac Bailey, Jack Higgins
2016 - Olivier Florent, Daniel Venables, Jordan Galluci
2015 - Wayne Milera, Daniel Rioli, Jade Gresham

I'd take every one of those over Shai Bolton and Dan Butler.

Dan Butler is an underatted small forward , a 22yo premiership player approaching 50 games.
You also left out using the richmond 1st rounder to draft our Simpson replacement as a key part of the deal.
Interesting discussion ...

 

[HBF]

At this stage, next year's draft does not have the overall top 10 quality of this year's draft

Which is why SOS was so happy to trade out our first round pick this year. Where do you think Stocker would go in this years draft?

 

[Arr0w]

Which is why SOS was so happy to trade out our first round pick this year. Where do you think Stocker would go in this years draft?

Stocker in next year's draft? Top 8

 

[THE_GUN]

Small fowards dont usually go very high in drafts

#15 - Rioli
#17 - Higgins
#29 - Bolton
#67 - Dan Butler
Rookie - Jason Castagna
Rookie - Liam Baker
Rookie - Tyson Stengle

They also usually play early in their Careers and some are plug n play

 

[bmaurizio]

Caleb Serong , would be a good outcome for us, if he were available between picks 8-13, reckon Crows 1st rounder will fall somewhere there about.

 

[goBlue]

Caleb Serong , would be a good outcome for us, if he were available between picks 8-13, reckon Crows 1st rounder will fall somewhere there about.

Yeah love the look of him, would fit perfectly! Good height and weight for a small forward

 

[Coona Blues]

Caleb Serong , would be a good outcome for us, if he were available between picks 8-13, reckon Crows 1st rounder will fall somewhere there about.

Certainly likely to be on the list.
Hoping our "kids" show during the season that our midfielders and KPP stocks are more than adequate for the foreseeable future.

IMO that would leave us targeting one of.

1. Mercurial small/medium forward
2. Genuine quality young ruck
3. Rebounding defender with dash and quality disposal (read kicking)

Historically these types do fall in the second half of the first round.

 

[Robertio]

Which is why SOS was so happy to trade out our first round pick this year. Where do you think Stocker would go in this years draft?

No 1 No doubt.

 

[Red Bull]

Certainly likely to be on the list.
Hoping our "kids" show during the season that our midfielders and KPP stocks are more than adequate for the foreseeable future.

IMO that would leave us targeting one of.

1. Mercurial small/medium forward
2. Genuine quality young ruck
3. Rebounding defender with dash and quality disposal (read kicking)

Historically these types do fall in the second half of the first round.

On your 3 points :
Im hoping DeKonning will cover point 2 , an 80/20 split with McKay for the next decade looks tasty.
Points 1&3 could be covered using the adelaide pick as layed out above ...

 

[LemmingMaster]

Who are your top six at this stage and which players would you say would make for the best fit for the club.

The reason I ask is that we'll have a lot of talk through the year as to who we could have picked up with the pick we could have had, but what's really available that doesn't double up on what we have.
By double up, I mean do we need another inside mid? Another KPF or KPD?

It's very early and impossible to make sense of things just yet, but at some point in time we will be wondering what we may have had with a likely top 6 pick and whether that player will be better than Stocker alone, or better than the sum of Stocker and Adelaides first pick.[/QUOTE]

"Who are your top six at this stage and which players would you say would make for the best fit for the club."

This is interesting, because currently, I am not super excited about the prospects at the pointy end. There will certainly be some people that rise, but I am currently not excited about a prospect. Last year there were many players that I was hyped to see, Hill was the main player that did not really develop how I hoped.

1. Noah Anderson - This is my favourite current player, so he would be high on the list. Once again with top end picks, just pick the best of the best and when in doubt, go for a midfielder.
2. Dylan Williams - Same as above, except there is no current massive love.
3. Sharp - I really like him, but those outside players are often not selected high in the draft. You want some inside ability.
4. Lachlan Ash - HUGE favourite of mine, but probably not in many top 6 rankings currently.


Then I could not give a real current desire on anyone else.
Jackson and Gould interest me, but not really from a Carlton list needs perspective.
I also like Taheny as well, but still not sure how much i like him at the moment.