List Mgmt. Carlton's 2019 Draft Thread

[footyfan1978]

Nah, GC gonna be top 8 and would have lost pick #11 anyway - so it is a free hit

As if...lol... top 8 in three years time maybe...

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Nah, it is not the same mate. The thing with Stoker trade that makes it ticked off straight away is it was simply a future round pick swap. So there was no certain pick numbers involved. Carlton and Adelaide could be 17 spots different on ladder either way in theory which makes that trade ticked off by Ken Wood a no brainer.
Cats and Gold Coast trade is automatically got pick numbers attached of 11 and 27. Different years of draft, yes, but value of draft picks is clearly, massive favour of Geelong. Good luck to Cats for Ken Wood allowing it to go through....

Gold Coast throwing around draft picks like they know they get them given out freely to them anyway.....

It’s probably better/safer then the Stoker trade because they knew exactly what they were giving up and getting back. We didn’t. You can probably question how highly they rate Sharp but then I guess taking any “bolter” should be treated the exactly same way.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

As far as the trade with Geelong goes - It was a terrible look and it has no other grounds to stand on, whereas the Stocker trade did.

I doubt any other club would have been so nonchalant about losing a mid-table first the next year, under the same circumstances.
Did they even try getting something substantial in return. Why would they, I guess. They have the AFL as an ally and there's more goodies to be had from where they got their last lot from.

It gots plenty of ground to stand on. They wanted Sharp for a future pick 11. Simple.

 

[footyfan1978]

It’s probably better/safer then the Stoker trade

You can buy that spin. Ken Wood should not. His job is to see trades are reasonable and not lopsided when the trade is draft picks swap that are known numbers.....

 

[Arr0w]

I think Gold Coast's trade with Geelong is arguably alright from their viewpoint. Make no mistake it is an absolute windfall for Geelong, but it is at least arguably ok for Gold Coast.

Unlike the Jack Martin thing where it was and always was gonna be a shit sandwich copping nothing instead of something decent.

Back to the Geelong trade though, it is similar to ours last year with Stocker. They have identified a player they rated and gone out and got him in a year early than their future pick. Like we had Stocker rated high last year, they had Jeremy Sharp rated high this year. They were apparently set on taking him at 15 if they didn't do the trade with us for 9.

So from their POV, they have traded Pick 11 next year for their Pick 15(at worst) rated player this year. That's solid enough thinking. They can now get him into training with their 8 other top picks in a 2 year bloc.

I think it was a real poor deal by GC, even forgetting the player the too in Sharp

If they had accepted a future 2nd and 3rd for Martin, they could have on traded that to the Cats, while exchanging future 1sts

That still would have got the deal done

 

[Yubby]

Love the look of our Ins vs Outs this year...

OUT:
Thomas
Fasolo
Garlett
Kerr
Schumacher
Lobbe
LeBois
Phillips
Deluca
Pickett


IN:
Betts
Martin
Newnes
Pittonet
Kemp
Philp
Ramsay
Honey
Phillips

Such a tangible difference in quality and experience. 1 best 22 out for 2-3 in.

 

[bigblueboy]

Some reflections on this draft ...

Outside the top couple this may have been the most even draft clubs have had to deal with. That’s not to say there will no be elite talent which comes from it - just that there wasn’t much depth and hard to distinguish between players.

That made our position at pick 9 precarious at best. We did not get any of the players we ranked in the top 5: Rowell, Anderson, Young, Stephens, Serong.

But we did get Kemp for cheaper than most expected and there’s little concern about his knee, the ACL tendon having been a clean break. If there’s one way to do it for purposes of recovery - that’s it.

Kemp’s future is as a inside midfielder with the ability to use his strength and size to break open play. Will fit nicely alongside Cripps, Setterfield, Walsh and complement those more outside like SPS, Martin and Fisher.

Given the intensity of the modern game, powerful and deep midfield groups are going to be crucial.

We did get who we wanted with our remaining picks - trading back and then up to get Philp who adds pace and was probably in the top five standout players in the under 18 comp in the second half of the season. His resolve after missing the champs tells you plenty about his resolve to be better. Great traits and there were at least two other clubs very keen on him (Rich and Bris) in the 20s. No guarantees but would add something we don’t have in spades if he keeps developing.

Those who are debating our lack of drafting a ‘small forward’ promised by the CEO earlier his year should look past the height indicators.

Six of our recruits (Betts, Martin, Kemp, Philp, Honey, Phillips) have shown the ability to be very polished around goals - and apply forward pressure. One may be the greatest small forward in AFL history.

This said, I agree with some posters that we need to round off the square edges on our forward line. Papley would still be a priority next year.

Intriguing that we will go into next year with our first, second and third round picks. We tried our best during the trade and draft sessions to move the chess pieces and there’s little doubt that SOS could have budged for the right deal. I wonder if we will bend more easily in the future? And if the club was keen to ensure it kept plenty of ammunition for the unknown which next year’s trade period will bring.

In all hope that we now have built the best young list in the AFL, tinkering is all that should be required.

However, we do know is that some players who have been seen as integral to our 2022 premiership tilt will be playing Northern Blues footy next year. That means next year’s trade period might be the first for some time where we may loose a player who we don’t actively push out.

Interesting times ahead.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Love the look of our Ins vs Outs this year...

OUT:
Thomas
Fasolo
Garlett
Kerr
Schumacher
Lobbe
LeBois
Phillips
Deluca
Pickett


IN:
Betts
Martin
Newnes
Pittonet
Kemp
Philp
Ramsay
Honey
Phillips

Such a tangible difference in quality and experience. 1 best 22 out for 2-3 in.

Hopefully we only need to make 3-4 changes next year.

List is really starting to take shape nicely.

 

[bigblueboy]

Same guy that didn't rate Mckay, Cunners, Tdk, Stocker?? Pretty much whoever we draft.

He was constantly talking down Walsh last year. Embarrassing.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

You can buy that spin. Ken Wood should not. His job is to see trades are reasonable and not lopsided when the trade is draft picks swap that are known numbers.....

Ken Wood realises that every club rates these kids differently. One teams pick 11 is another teams pick 27. Although I don’t completely believe this but our apparent rating of Stocker last year (top 6) compared to GC’s of Sharp this year is a perfect example of that.

 

[JuddgementDay]

What's up guys?

LOL - Now, how about those descriptions on Philp & Honey?

 

[footyfan1978]

Ken Wood realises that every club rates these kids differently. One teams pick 11 is another teams pick 27.

It is not about kids in this case. It is about pick 11 and 27 being very very different value.
One is clearly way more value than the other.
Great get Cats. Ken Wood tapped on shoulder from AFL to remind him Suns can throw picks out willy nilly and get our AFL backing, because we can always give them more gifts when they need it.
Wake up mate....

 

[Michael Jezz]

Knightmare Rates Carlton a C+ based on recruiting Philp instead of Robertson, Rivers etc. Yet he ranked Philp 24 in his Phantom Draft

 

[prisoner777]

Dane Swan pick 58 , see there are gems. You just have to find them

So true.....as long as we don't factor in tatts as a key indicator.

 

[prisoner777]

Knightmare Rates Carlton a C+ based on recruiting Philp instead of Robertson, Rivers etc. Yet he ranked Philp 24 in his Phantom Draft

Interesting. There is certainly potential in our picks and if the dice falls our way it could make for an interesting next 2 seasons (and beyond). So many factors at play.....skill, innate talent, motivation, fitness, luck......

 

[BlueTang]

Excited about ‘Honey’, don’t know anything about him, but I read his name a lot last night on the thread. Happy that we were able to rookie someone many of you have been watching.

 

[Yubby]

Hopefully we only need to make 3-4 changes next year.

List is really starting to take shape nicely.

I would imagine they'd be pretty straight-forward to be honest even this far out. Polson, Finbar and probably Lang as 3 auto's. 2 possible retirees in Simmo and Eddie. Then Macraedie & Kennedy on final years of their contracts who'll need to do more this year to be retained.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

It is not about kids in this case. It is about pick 11 and 27 being very very different value.
One is clearly way more value than the other.
Great get Cats. Ken Wood tapped on shoulder from AFL to remind him Suns can throw picks out willy nilly and get our AFL backing, because we can always give them more gifts when they need it.
Wake up mate....

You can’t tell a club who they can and can’t draft that is just ridiculous. They rated sharp higher then a future pick 11 it’s as simple as that

 

[Jeremias]

I would imagine they'd be pretty straight-forward to be honest even this far out. Polson, Finbar and probably Lang as 3 auto's. 2 possible retirees in Simmo and Eddie. Then Macraedie & Kennedy on final years of their contracts who'll need to do more this year to be retained.

Finbar an auto? Why?

The kid is 19 FFS.

 

[dlb99]

Knightmare Rates Carlton a C+ based on recruiting Philp instead of Robertson, Rivers etc. Yet he ranked Philp 24 in his Phantom Draft

Knightmare rated Cripps 31 back in 2013.

If Knightmare was a draftee I would classify him as a fifth rounder at best.

 

[Stamos]

Some reflections on this draft ...

Outside the top couple this may have been the most even draft clubs have had to deal with. That’s not to say there will no be elite talent which comes from it - just that there wasn’t much depth and hard to distinguish between players.

That made our position at pick 9 precarious at best. We did not get any of the players we ranked in the top 5: Rowell, Anderson, Young, Stephens, Serong.

But we did get Kemp for cheaper than most expected and there’s little concern about his knee, the ACL tendon having been a clean break. If there’s one way to do it for purposes of recovery - that’s it.

Kemp’s future is as a inside midfielder with the ability to use his strength and size to break open play. Will fit nicely alongside Cripps, Setterfield, Walsh and complement those more outside like SPS, Martin and Fisher.

Given the intensity of the modern game, powerful and deep midfield groups are going to be crucial.

We did get who we wanted with our remaining picks - trading back and then up to get Philp who adds pace and was probably in the top five standout players in the under 18 comp in the second half of the season. His resolve after missing the champs tells you plenty about his resolve to be better. Great traits and there were at least two other clubs very keen on him (Rich and Bris) in the 20s. No guarantees but would add something we don’t have in spades if he keeps developing.

Those who are debating our lack of drafting a ‘small forward’ promised by the CEO earlier his year should look past the height indicators.

Six of our recruits (Betts, Martin, Kemp, Philp, Honey, Phillips) have shown the ability to be very polished around goals - and apply forward pressure. One may be the greatest small forward in AFL history.

This said, I agree with some posters that we need to round off the square edges on our forward line. Papley would still be a priority next year.

Intriguing that we will go into next year with our first, second and third round picks. We tried our best during the trade and draft sessions to move the chess pieces and there’s little doubt that SOS could have budged for the right deal. I wonder if we will bend more easily in the future? And if the club was keen to ensure it kept plenty of ammunition for the unknown which next year’s trade period will bring.

In all hope that we now have built the best young list in the AFL, tinkering is all that should be required.

However, we do know is that some players who have been seen as integral to our 2022 premiership tilt will be playing Northern Blues footy next year. That means next year’s trade period might be the first for some time where we may loose a player who we don’t actively push out.

Interesting times ahead.

Thank you.

Can I ask who we wanted when we were considering trading back into the 2nd round on Thursday night?

 

[footyfan1978]

You can’t tell a club who they can and can’t draft that is just ridiculous. They rated sharp higher then a future pick 11 it’s as simple as that

You are clearly not getting it.
Think it through mate.
It is not about Sharp at all. come on, THINK!!!!
AFL can knock back trades that clearly seem way out of whack. They need approving.
Pick 27 for pick 11 next year is not ****ing normal trading.
Come on man, you are smarter than this. Surely!

 

[Jeremias]

LOL - Now, how about those descriptions on Philp & Honey?

I feel as though I have been describing both non-stop!

Philp - Inside mid. Terrific athlete with an outstanding burst of pace which he uses to separate from a contest. Loves the contested side of the game and is a very strong tackler. Disposal needs some work but it's not terrible for a contested player. Needs to clean up his handling but i think that comes in time. Outside game needs work and from what I've seen he doesn't at this stage have the ability to play elsewhere. But his endurance seems very good so I feel there is big scope there. I think he has enormous upside and could well develop into one of the best mids in this draft.

Honey - I don't love Honey as much as Philp as a prospect but I do love the value he represents as a rookie. He's that hybrid mid/forward type who doesn't get a lot of the ball but he doesn't need a lot of it to have an impact. Very quick, terrific athlete, strong defensively, very clean hands. Endurance is OK but can be improved. Hits the scoreboard. If we can get him more involved I feel he can be a terrific footballer.

 

[Limestone]

Gary Honey (long jump - silver at LA Olympics 84, and 2 x golds at Comm Games) is his uncle. 2nd behind Carl Lewis in 84.

His dad Neil was a pole vaulter, (Comm Games level).
Josh's sisters are state level in aths and netball.
Should be good athletically and have a handy spring with that pedigree.

so he is related to Gary, was wondering if that might be the case. He taught me social studies in the year he won silver. All we had to do was ask him a question about the olympics, and he would get sidetracked until the end of the period. Fair to say we didn’t learn much that year Mad Collingwood supporter, so he will be hating it that his nephew ended up at carlton. At least until he warms to it.

 

[Mondyboy]

I feel as though I have been describing both non-stop!

Honey - I don't love Honey as much as Philp

... says the guy who has Whinnie the Pooh as his avatar.



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