List Mgmt. Carlton's 2020 Draft Thread

[bigblueboy]

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If Charlie is likely to be out until mid year, surely he can be on LTI list for half the season. Give us that KPD/Utility coverage through SSP, now we have a stand alone reserves team, player could revert to that list after Charlie returns or more likely stay with another potential LTI (sorry, just being practical).

This would allow a pick today, one kept for mid year and a key back up. (Not sure how would affect Charlie's mindset with a hard limit to his return date)

One rookie pick today gives us plenty of flexibility to add players on need through SSP, depending on LTI situation. Think that is an excellent list management approach.

 

[Arr0w]

Every draft watcher, draft review, his SANFL team and our recruiting department.

"Most guys at that height who are mids at junior level, which Durdin was, will normally only make it if they can play as a small defender or forward" So by that definition it is impossible to draft a small forward, you can only ever draft mids who become small forwards.

You can think whatever you want

 

[Macca43]

Only the timing is different

Both Fisher and Durdin followed similar paths

Key difference in the timing is the point at which the draft falls.

Fisher drafted as a mid who has been squeezed out of the Carlton midfield, Durdin drafted as a small forward.

 

[Arr0w]

Key difference in the timing is the point at which the draft falls.

Fisher drafted as a mid who has been squeezed out of the Carlton midfield, Durdin drafted as a small forward.

As I said, you or anyone can spin it anyway you like to align with what your views

Facts are completely different

 

[bigblueboy]

Not going to profess to know Durdin's game intimately but based upon the information available, it's clear we have picked him to fulfil a role as a small forward:

- Starred at under-16 level primarily as a midfielder, winning national champs medal
- Has elite ball winning traits
- Reads the play well and is a natural footballer
- Enjoys tackling and is a good pressure player
- Has concentrated on small forward craft in the past 12 months as advised this would be his best pathway at elite level
- Showed excellent signs as a small forward at senior SANFL level this year

It's clear we think his traits will translate into being a small forward but his exposed form at a junior level is as a mid. This is what recruiters get paid the big bucks for - to see the potential.

Torrens University Draft Target - Corey Durdin - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

“Corey’s a pure footballer who is small in stature but very tough over the ball,” Torrens University SA U18 coach Tony Bamford said of Durdin, who began his junior football with Gaza before moving to Golden Grove FC.

”He has elite skills, clean hands and an excellent ability to win contests at ground level.

“He has proven his talent at national level in the past two years, winning the Kevin Sheehan Medal as the best player at the U16 nationals in 2018 and playing in the U18 nationals last year as an under 17.

“Corey has already played good league football with the Bulldogs and needs to continue to develop his forward craft because he might be a bit small to play a lot of midfield in the AFL.”

 

[Wickzki]

Every draft watcher, draft review, his SANFL team and our recruiting department.

"Most guys at that height who are mids at junior level, which Durdin was, will normally only make it if they can play as a small defender or forward" So by that definition it is impossible to draft a small forward, you can only ever draft mids who become small forwards.

I don't think at any point Arr0w said that specialist small forwards and defenders didn't exist.

Tiny mids like Durdin generally get transitioned into being primarily used as small forwards or defenders.

Forget Zac Fisher

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. A better example would be Caleb Daniels. He came into the system being a pure mid and has transitioned into being the general of the Dogs backline. Mids take way too much punishment. The smaller you are the more damage you take (theoretically per hit) and the bigger the disadvantage you're at against the bulls. It doesn't mean that Daniels isn't an outstanding mid when used there but he's more important to the Dogs structure and objectives in the back half.

 

[Macca43]

As I said, you or anyone can spin it anyway you like to align with what your views

Facts are completely different

You would know.

 

[Arr0w]

You would know.

Best you do some research on Durdin

 

[Blue__Balls]

Only the timing is different

Both Fisher and Durdin followed similar paths

But the timing is critical, is it not.

Draft a player as a mid, spend time developing them as a mid, then try to repurpose them a few years later based on list needs.

Vs.

Player transitions to a small forward role in their draft year, gets drafted as a small forward, developed as a small forward, and plays as a small forward.

You say "Carlton picked two mids". We didn't. We picked a player to play as a small forward based on exposed form as a small forward. Which position he played 2 years ago doesn't change that.

 

[Macca43]

I don't think at any point Arr0w said that specialist small forwards and defenders didn't exist.

Tiny mids like Durdin generally get transitioned into being primarily used as small forwards or defenders.

Forget Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

. A better example would be Caleb Daniels. He came into the system being a pure mid and has transitioned into being the general of the Dogs backline. Mids take way too much punishment. The smaller you are the more damage you take (theoretically per hit). It doesn't mean that Daniels isn't an outstanding mid when used there but he's more important to the Dogs structure and objectives in the back half.

My point is every high quality player no matter what their size gets played as a mid in the real junior levels (ie un 14 & u16) because teams want their best players getting the ball (FWIW I read a really good article about high school football in the US where the coaches are playing the best athlete's at quarterback despite them really being running backs or wide receivers). The percentage of small forwards who make it into the AFL having only ever played as a small forward is very small and reducing as the years progress.

The difference between Daniel and Fisher and Durdin is that Durdin had already transitioned out of the midfield by the time he was drafted - he was taken by the blues because of the skills he showed as a small forward. Daniel and Fisher were taken as mids and had to become something else, Durdin was recruited as a small forward. To try and claim that the blues took 2 mids last night and not a small forward is simply twisting the facts.

 

[Arr0w]

But the timing is critical, is it not.

Draft a player as a mid, spend time developing them as a mid, then try to repurpose them a few years later based on list needs.

Vs.

Player transitions to a small forward role in their draft year, gets drafted as a small forward, developed as a small forward, and plays as a small forward.

You say "Carlton picked two mids". We didn't. We picked a player to play as a small forward based on exposed form as a small forward. Which position he played 2 years ago doesn't change that.

Versatility is the key here

Durdin and Fisher were mids that can play small forward

Williams a mid, that can play in any arc

Greene a mid that can play small forward

Bolton a mid that can play small forward

The list is long

 

[Macca43]

Best you do some research on Durdin

See Blues Balls post.

 

[Arr0w]

My point is every high quality player no matter what their size gets played as a mid in the real junior levels (ie un 14 & u16) because teams want their best players getting the ball (FWIW I read a really good article about high school football in the US where the coaches are playing the best athlete's at quarterback despite them really being running backs or wide receivers). The percentage of small forwards who make it into the AFL having only ever played as a small forward is very small and reducing as the years progress.

The difference between Daniel and Fisher and Durdin is that Durdin had already transitioned out of the midfield by the time he was drafted - he was taken by the blues because of the skills he showed as a small forward. Daniel and Fisher were taken as mids and had to become something else, Durdin was recruited as a small forward. To try and claim that the blues took 2 mids last night and not a small forward is simply twisting the facts.

So why did Fisher play as a small forward at senior level in his last underage year, just like Durdin?

Pigeon holing is truly amazing

 

[Arr0w]

See Blues Balls post.

Predictable

 

[Aphrodite]

You’ve got a gambling problem woman. I only operate 4 betting accounts at the one time.

Online shopping ffs.

 

[Aphrodite]

AFL Draft Report Card: Magpies recover from trade nightmare, Roos’ shock call stuns rivals

AFL Draft Report Card: Pies recover from trade nightmare, shock call stuns rivals

www.foxsports.com.au

CARLTON

Picks (at the start of draft): 31, 38, 78

Selections: Corey Durdin (37), Jack Carroll (41)

The Blues went over to South Australia recently and it’s no surprise to see them pluck Corey Durdin with their first pick. The small midfielder was the Kevin Sheehan Medal winner after an outstanding Under 16 Championships. His ball winning skills are very good and he has plenty of zip in the attacking half of the ground. Durdin’s stoppage work is also a strength. They then were able to get one of the steals of the draft with West Australia Jack Carroll sliding to the end of the second round. He has a good contested ball winning ability and can play across half back. To get players of this quality when entering the draft late makes it a good night.


Grade: A-

 

[Arr0w]

Yeah, a midfielder that can play as a small forward

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Torrens University Draft Target - Corey Durdin - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Durdin was the best small forward prospect available at our selection. Not sure what the issue is.

 

[gandaal]

gandaal's draft review

Alright it's the day after the draft and that means we've had more than enough time to determine who won the draft and exactly how all these 18 year olds who haven't played footy for 12 months will turn out. So here's my rankings:

Adelaide: D-
The crows have proved themselves to be a bunch of ****en cowards who don't back themselves to keep any player who isn't still living at mum's house next year. Didn't even have the balls to take the pressure of pick 1 and fobbed it off to the Dogs. Picking a bunch of SA boys when there was better options at every pick is basically admitting that they suck, and that their club is a cesspool no sane person would want to work at. Berry is the only vic and was a good pick so not an F.

Brisbane: D
Did nothing. Picked nothing. Didn't help themselves win a flag. Waste of time.

Carlton: A+
Aren't we awesome? Clearly the best in the comp. That said I've never seen our team so depressed during a national draft. Things went wrong, but I'm kind of glad things went wrong. We don't need another mid, we need Durdin. I'm also happy to see us finally having the guts to pick the slider even if I'm not sure Carroll is the star some are suggesting. It's a pleasant change. More of this in the future.

Collingwood: A+
Screw you Collingwood. Die in a hole.

Essendon: F
LOL at Essendon. OK so yes they've probably got a player or two but that's supposed to happen when you have 3 picks in the top 10. What's not supposed to happen is that a team with a garbage midfield has their biggest draft ever and then doesn't pick a single mid. Doro is an incompetent idiot and long may he reign.

Fremantle: B
Are they still a club? Waste of time bolding them. They needed matchwinners, players with some skill to run along side their solid citizen core. They got... more solid citizens. Good for them.

Geelong: C
Isn't Wells great? Isn't he awesome? Remember when he picked Blicavs? Wow. Awesome. He's great. Remember when he picked a whole bunch of duds with first rounders for 8 years straight? Geelong picked a bunch of speculative players which is pretty par for the course in a pretty speculative draft.

Gold Coast Suns: A+
Life is easy when half of Australia is in your recruiting zone, and you pick up the best mid in the draft with pick 7. Well they need that break, it's not as if they've got a whole bunch of midfield talent already on the list.

GWS Giants: B
Tanner Bruhn looked like he just found out his girlfriend is actually his sister. Solid picks all round. The only concern I have is how Tanner will fit into Carlton's 2023 Premiership winning team.

More to come.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Carlton's first pick is 37 in a draft of 55 or 60 players. That's bottom of the barrel stuff and there is every chance we selected at least 1 x 100 game player, if not 2. Carrol was a pick between 13 and 25 on numerous drafts and appears a genuine midfield. He isnt 18 yet. Durdin-solid pick. I reckon Austin shot the lights out. I would of been happy with Winder and Rosman. Rosman was taken before our pick. No vic club picked winder. I trust we did our due diligence with Betts and ascertained the flight risk. The drafting is rationale, solid and Carrol is beyond good but extreme value.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Best you do some research on Durdin

Sounds like you've done the research. Was he the best available player in your opinion? If not, who would you have taken ahead of him?

 

[Macca43]

So why did Fisher play as a small forward at senior level in his last underage year, just like Durdin?

Pigeon holing is truly amazing

It is the recruiters that are pigeon holing, not me, look up the comments on the blues website regarding both Fisher and Durdin - it is clear we took Fisher as a midfielder while we took Durdin as a small forward based on his last 2 years performances in that role.

But you can think what you want.

 

[Arr0w]

Sounds like you've done the research. Was he the best available player in your opinion? If not, who would you have taken ahead of him?

Without knowing how these kids interviewed, so purely on upside, I would have taken Winder or Ford at that pick

Carroll was a no brainer

 

[HARKER]

Just heard Rowes old man on Adelaide radio.

Brilliant listening. If you get the chance.....

 

[Stamos]

Just heard Rowes old man on Adelaide radio.

Brilliant listening. If you get the chance.....

Gist?