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List Mgmt. Carlton's 2020 Draft Thread

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The Bighouse said:
Agreed on this. #8 ideally should have turned into split 1st rounders with an eye on the prize for our 1st pick preference.

Not only for our draft pick but to have not given the Scum 3 x early picks in a row.
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Then we would have Saad, horses for courses. Did you hear the Russell interview today?
 

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The Bighouse said:
No, is there a new one? He’s fitted in seamlessly.
Ideally, we would have split & traded.
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Not directed at you specifically the bighpuse, but many people have said we should have split 8 for 2 high picks. Who would have done the trade with us, how do we know the trade wasn't sought but rejected? Can't just make trades in a vacuum.

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Foucault1989 said:
Just catching up on this thread....

Big question seems to be whether you are Team Harker or Team Arrow?

Looks like we drafted a couple of promising kids but let's not get distracted with that nonsense...
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I am team DILLIGAF ... get us to 17 blues!
 
As an avid sanfl watcher, to me Corey Durdins floor is a Matthew Wright type.

100 gamer disciplined will hit the score board and play a role. Never a match winner and always between player 18 and 25 on a list.

We're getting a good afl player at worst. Its just how much more than that he can be.
 
Team DJ said:
As an avid sanfl watcher, to me Corey Durdins floor is a Matthew Wright type.

100 gamer disciplined will hit the score board and play a role. Never a match winner and always between player 18 and 25 on a list.

We're getting a good afl player at worst. Its just how much more than that he can be.
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I love those guys. Richmond carry a few of them, they’re effective and make the team better overall. If we can get that with our average draft hand after already adding two easily top ten players and one possible best 22 players this off-season we’ve done well.
 

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The Bighouse said:
Did Collingwood get out of their salary cap fiasco offloads with a pretty handy draft haul..? Didn’t realise their involvement in the draft pick trades on the night.
Henry
Macrae
Poulter
McInnes (free hit)
McMahon
And then Ginnivan in the RD
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Collingwood had a crap preseason and went into the draft with a view of attempting to change the perception.

They went for short term gain with some potential long term pain. Then again, they potentially have. top 10 F/S coming up.
 
Arr0w said:
Always best available in the draft, trade for needs
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I think the your statement has an element of being linked.

Clubs often base best available on the needs of a club, their ratings are influenced through the lens of the team dynamics.

If you have a few players close in the rankings and you're looking for a point of difference, then your club needs certainly shift the rankings.

While Carlton may not need a tall forward, if Logan McDonald drifts to pick 30, we select him.


When I am mug punting on the draft boards, I find it a little hard at times to not have a Carlton lens on my ratings, especially once you drift out passed 20/25.
 
HARKER said:
So like most other clubs continue to prove - It's not always best player.........obviously.
Even Dodoro outlined Essendons 'strategy' in picking the talls, first.
To have no strategy entering a draft would highlight incompetence of that club and a lack of confidence in that clubs' development processes.

It's somewhat annoying that in the most we judge who did well in the trade period and draft periods separately, when in fact they're most often bound.
Essendon did well in the draft? Of course they did well. They lost two of their best players.
We can lose Cripps, McKay and Weitering next year and I'll be we'll do well in the draft. :)
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Ditto Collingwood.

I'd give Carlton a B for our draft, but an a+ for the recruitment period as a whole.

While I'd give Collingwood an A for their draft, but a D for their overall recruitment period.
 
LemmingMaster said:
I think the your statement has an element of being linked.

Clubs often base best available on the needs of a club, their ratings are influenced through the lens of the team dynamics.

If you have a few players close in the rankings and you're looking for a point of difference, then your club needs certainly shift the rankings.

While Carlton may not need a tall forward, if Logan McDonald drifts to pick 30, we select him.


When I am mug punting on the draft boards, I find it a little hard at times to not have a Carlton lens on my ratings, especially once you drift out passed 20/25.
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Think Arrow has, not too long ago, outlined his belief that the club's don't necessarily rank players individually. Ie. It's not a list of players 1-100 in order, and if given the choice between players 35 and 36 on the list, 35 always gets picked. Instead, they group players into loose brackets.

Within that context, it's certainly more than likely that clubs use a combination of "best available" and "needs" when making their selections.

Hypothetically - using a simple letter grading system:

A-grade - three players
B-grade - five players
C-grade - ten players
D-grade - five players
E-grade - eight players
etc.

If we've got a selection at Pick 16, and one of the B-graders is somehow still available, then we'd probably take him. But if all the A- and B-grade players are gone, then we may make a needs-based decision on which of the C-graders is most suitable.
 

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Team DJ said:
As an avid sanfl watcher, to me Corey Durdins floor is a Matthew Wright type.

100 gamer disciplined will hit the score board and play a role. Never a match winner and always between player 18 and 25 on a list.

We're getting a good afl player at worst. Its just how much more than that he can be.
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Durdin is better than wright, better tackler, better crumber-although you said his floor what's Durdins ceiling?
 
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BigBreakfast said:
We probably weren’t going to get that high without giving up something next year. I heard those names too. They arguably went a bit high but, Adelaide and North got who they wanted.
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Powell and Pedlar are the kind of guys you can reach for a bit. Ultra-committed workhorses who make their team mates lives easier and have reasonably high floors. You can comfortably see them becoming 150 gamers.

Perfect for choices for rebuilding clubs.
 
Ash Man said:
I thought you were saying Blues need a small forward, midfielder and KPD from this draft?
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An that is what the club thinks they got. I am not sure about Parks as a KD he looks more third tall to me, but the club have talked about wanting to get those types pre draft and about getting those types post draft.
 
HARKER said:
1. You find no issue repeatedly telling others hey are wrong in their opinions...yet somehow and magically you value yours above anyone elses.
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Arr0w can fight his own battles, but literally everyone does this.
2. Recruiters and list managers have told us over and again their particular methodologies and views on this matter....but somehow it doesn't mean much to you and you repeat a well-worn cliché as though it's a fact. It's not a fact.....it's your opinion and it doesn't sync up with what clubs are telling us.

You're entitled to stick to your religion, but the evidence just doesn't support it.
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I don't know that they have 'told us over and over again their particular methodologies and views on this matter'. They've given us the public version.

As if each and any list manager (aside from Wayne Hughes) is going to just up and out with their strategies both before and after the draft. They'll tell us exceedingly generally the viewpoint they want others and us the fans to consume.

I think of list managers like ducks. There's a shitload going on under the water, and we won't know until we see them move.
 
Michael Jezz said:
Durdin is better than wright, better tackler, better crumber-although you said his floor what's Durdins ceiling?
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I think floor is a Matt Wright type. Reliable but nothing special.

Ceiling, who knows. Hes quick, can tackle good off hands...... Charlie Cameron?
 

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