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List Mgmt. Carlton's 2020 Draft Thread

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I would target Matt PARKER ex-Saints as a DFA. He has Mitch Robinson written all over him. Pressure forward, hard as a cats head, very quick, can kick a goal, mark of the year candidate, tough as.
Yup don’t mind the determination and toughness, may be good value for a few years.
 
A few scenarios in re: Academy & F/S Prospects and that club' first few picks:

Jamarra Ugle Hagan: Twomey projects pick 1
Dogs - 26, 33, 41, 42, 54 (729+563+412+395+220 = 2319 Draft Points)
If bid comes in at pick 1 - 2400 required to match

Braeden Campbell: Twomey projects pick 8
Swans - 3, 31, 34, 43, 60 (picks 31, 34, 43, 60 = 1672 points)
Enough to match anything after pick 4

Lachie Jones: Twomey projects pick 9
Port - 35, 47, 57, 59 = 1178 points
Enough to match any bid after pick 9

Alex Davies: Twomey projects pick 14
Suns - 5, 27, 37 - 27 & 37 = 1186 points
Enough to match any bid after pick 9, if comes at 14 - Suns will have 257 pts remaining, equal to pick 52

Joel Jeffrey: Twomey projects pick at 18
Suns - 5, 27, 37 - 27 & 37 = as above, may only have 257 pts remaining, could go into deficit or make up picks from points shifting
788 points required to match a bid at 18

Reef McInnes: Twomey projects pick at 20
Pies - 14, 16, 65, 70, 75
Too many variables, bid might come after their initial two picks and then you have to consider picks shifting or whether they'll go into deficit, which also effects their Daicos bid next year.

Errol Goulden: Twomey projects pick 22
Swans - 3, 31, 34, 43, 60 (picks 31, 34, 43, 60 = 1672 points)
If Campbell bid comes at 8, swans pay 1240, leaving 431pts which would match a bid at 36 - however consider the picks shifting etc...

Connor Downie: Twomey projects pick 23
Hawks - 4, 24, 45, 46, 49 (45, 46, 49 = 965pts)
If the above players go before pick 23, Hawks' pick 24 will become pick 31 - so again, many variables


What this could mean for Carlton though?

Assume the following picks get taken by bids:
Dogs: 26, 33, 41, 42, 54
Swans: 31, 34, 43, 60
Port: 34, 47, 57, 59
Suns: 27, 37
Pies: 65, 70, 75
Hawks: 24

Carlton 38 could become 30th live pick
Carlton 48 could become 36th live pick
Carlton 78 could become 59th live pick

I may have made many errors, but a very simplistic look at how compromised this draft is and how we might benefit from the Fogarty trade for example (might have pick 30 after all of that).
Great analysis. Closer to draft we also need to look at how many live picks there are (given reduced list sizes) and likely reduced compulsory draft requirements. Likely a few clubs will draft less than 3 live. For example, if GCS are only able to draft their (free) academy kids as they are already bloated on list size does that mean all other picks (say after pick #5) disappear and our picks move up? May be a waste to trade up for higher picks if so.
 
Yes agree.

Anyone of note we would look at?

Just waiting on LemmingMaster or anyone from WA to share their thoughts on Zac Strom and Eastlands as cheap KPP backups. Also a couple of Draftees, Shannon Neale and Michael Mallard ( this kid is of real interest)

Small forwards, there are plenty, depending on the style we might be looking at, Rowe comes to mind and a couple might want to remain under the radar for now
 

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Project ruck is a priority. We only have TDK and Pitt + casboult only has probably 1 year left. It was reported early on that this years draft had a lot of ruck prospects. Like others I’m hopeful for Henry Walsh more so for his name than anything else.

Small forward the other priority. We still don’t have a clear future prospect who is a small forward specialist. Honey the closest but he’s more a medium forward than a small forward.

Key Back I think we are fine for now especially if we keep Macraedie and Marchbank is injury free.
 
Yup don’t mind the determination and toughness, may be good value for a few years.
Whilst I wouldn't completely rule him out - There is a reason he was delisted by St.Kilda - he's just not all that good. Would be behind Mitch, JSOS and Matt Kennedy for a mid forward role. Would be dissapointed if there weren't better DFA's available that better suited our needs
 
We have spoken to Cam MCCarthy
Going to need more players in the reserves that can step up to cover the seniors at a pinch.

Not the worst suggestion ever made in here
 
I would target Matt PARKER ex-Saints as a DFA. He has Mitch Robinson written all over him. Pressure forward, hard as a cats head, very quick, can kick a goal, mark of the year candidate, tough as.
Plenty of x-factor as well.....exactly the type of player we'd need up forward if Charlie has further setbacks.
 

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Ah great minds. Must admit I jumped straight to the last page so didn't see any discussion prior. He's the type I want us to target with our first pick - even trade up using 48 - if its going to be our only one.

Little point jumping up to the first round, really - its all a crapshoot from 10-25 from my understanding.

From what I've seen he does just about everything to a real high standard, with the only knock being his height/strength.

He's being talked about as high as a late 1st round prospect but players of that height often slip so we might find ourselves in a position to capitalise on that.

I wonder where he'd be projected to go if he were 5-10cm taller.

Is there any videos of prospects at our draft range i can watch or is there none

Youtube is your friend.
 

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We have spoken to Cam MCCarthy

I really wanted him in his draft year instead of that slow pudgy kid we took from WA :oops:

It also follows our habit of trading players to make back-to-back pairs from drafts...

Murphy / Daisy @ picks 1 & 2 in 2005
Menzel / Jaksch @ 11 & 12 in 2012
Tomlinson (almost) / Sumner @ 9 & 10 in 2011
Cripps / McCarthy 13 & 14 in 2013
Tom Bell / Zac Williams 94 & 95 (rookie elevations) in 2013!!!
Lukas Webb (almost) / DVR @ 27 & 28 in 2014
Charlie Curnow / Matt Kennedy @ 12 & 13 in 2015
Will Setterfield / SPS 5 & 6 in 2016

Now I know why Arr0w keeps advocating for Jackson Paine (rookie pick 2 in 2015...... Jessie Glass-McCasker was rookie pick #1)!

Fun fact: Sam Philp was drafted in the middle of the younger brothers of TDK & Paddy Dow. So expect another Blues Brother to join us in the coming years ;)
 
I really wanted him in his draft year instead of that slow pudgy kid we took from WA :oops:

It also follows our habit of trading players to make back-to-back pairs from drafts...

Murphy / Daisy @ picks 1 & 2 in 2005
Menzel / Jaksch @ 11 & 12 in 2012
Tomlinson (almost) / Sumner @ 9 & 10 in 2011
Cripps / McCarthy 13 & 14 in 2013
Tom Bell / Zac Williams 94 & 95 (rookie elevations) in 2013!!!
Lukas Webb (almost) / DVR @ 27 & 28 in 2014
Charlie Curnow / Matt Kennedy @ 12 & 13 in 2015
Will Setterfield / SPS 5 & 6 in 2016

Now I know why Arr0w keeps advocating for Jackson Paine (rookie pick 2 in 2015...... Jessie Glass-McCasker was rookie pick #1)!

Fun fact: Sam Philp was drafted in the middle of the younger brothers of TDK & Paddy Dow. So expect another Blues Brother to join us in the coming years ;)
Funny how these things come up in the data!

Ps, to the people having a crack at me, I'M NOT THE ****ING LIST MANAGER! Just passing on what I heard
 
On McCarthy, I’m glad the club has supposedly spoken with him, I hope we asked him to lay everything on the table and hopefully he did. He is a super talented player who I’ve seen play some really good games, there are obviously some issues getting in the way, some may be worked through and some may not but it’s worth a look.

For reference, McCarthy averages more goals and behinds per game than Curnow
 
A few scenarios in re: Academy & F/S Prospects and that club' first few picks:

Jamarra Ugle Hagan: Twomey projects pick 1
Dogs - 26, 33, 41, 42, 54 (729+563+412+395+220 = 2319 Draft Points)
If bid comes in at pick 1 - 2400 required to match

Braeden Campbell: Twomey projects pick 8
Swans - 3, 31, 34, 43, 60 (picks 31, 34, 43, 60 = 1672 points)
Enough to match anything after pick 4

Lachie Jones: Twomey projects pick 9
Port - 35, 47, 57, 59 = 1178 points
Enough to match any bid after pick 9

Alex Davies: Twomey projects pick 14
Suns - 5, 27, 37 - 27 & 37 = 1186 points
Enough to match any bid after pick 9, if comes at 14 - Suns will have 257 pts remaining, equal to pick 52

Joel Jeffrey: Twomey projects pick at 18
Suns - 5, 27, 37 - 27 & 37 = as above, may only have 257 pts remaining, could go into deficit or make up picks from points shifting
788 points required to match a bid at 18

Reef McInnes: Twomey projects pick at 20
Pies - 14, 16, 65, 70, 75
Too many variables, bid might come after their initial two picks and then you have to consider picks shifting or whether they'll go into deficit, which also effects their Daicos bid next year.

Errol Goulden: Twomey projects pick 22
Swans - 3, 31, 34, 43, 60 (picks 31, 34, 43, 60 = 1672 points)
If Campbell bid comes at 8, swans pay 1240, leaving 431pts which would match a bid at 36 - however consider the picks shifting etc...

Connor Downie: Twomey projects pick 23
Hawks - 4, 24, 45, 46, 49 (45, 46, 49 = 965pts)
If the above players go before pick 23, Hawks' pick 24 will become pick 31 - so again, many variables


What this could mean for Carlton though?

Assume the following picks get taken by bids:
Dogs: 26, 33, 41, 42, 54
Swans: 31, 34, 43, 60
Port: 34, 47, 57, 59
Suns: 27, 37
Pies: 65, 70, 75
Hawks: 24

Carlton 38 could become 30th live pick
Carlton 48 could become 36th live pick
Carlton 78 could become 59th live pick

I may have made many errors, but a very simplistic look at how compromised this draft is and how we might benefit from the Fogarty trade for example (might have pick 30 after all of that).
Next time I give you this much info, Zee, be good if you let me know where you're gonna use it.
 

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