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Which explains the ladder positions :rolleyes:
As stated, your midfielders kick many of the goals.

Carlton Forward line - Fev, Waite, Fish, Whitnall, Betts, Kennedy - 149
West Coast Forward line - Lynch, Hansen, Sampi, Hunter, Chick, Armstrong - 147
 
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Everyone looks at Carlton forward line and think of it as there "strong point" (dont ask me how theres a strong point in that team). I think those people need to take a closer look at it. Quite simply the players that surround Fevola are not up to AFL standard or quality. Lets take a unbiased look at them

Brad Fisher - Injury prone footballer with kicking skills that rival Mark McGough. Cant take a contested mark and relies on cheap kicks on a wing to make a name for himself. Not good enough.

Jarrad Waite - One of the most untalented CHF in the game. Cant take a contested mark to save himself and is too lightweight to play deep. A glorified half back flanker. Not good enough

Anthony Koutafides - The man who spent the entire pre season dancing around in a suit :rolleyes: . Was a good player ten years ago but now he is a shell of what he once was. Uninterested player with no passion. Should of retired

Eddie Betts - Unfit slow and untalented. Cant mark cant kick and has carried his career based on 3 fluke goals. Not good enough

Josh Kennedy - Injury prone KPP who has had 2 shoulder reconstructions. I can tell you he is just another version of Kepler Bradley, If he makes it ill enter the next draft. Not good enough

Its funny to see how one man all of a sudden has made the players around him look half decent. The thing is what happens when this one man leaves. What happens when this one man loses form and doesnt care anymore. A post Fev Carlton ( I imagine he will retire in 2 years to travel with Bingle) or a injury to him and the club will fold and be gone forever. I hope they have million dollar insurance because the lack of talent next too him will cause concern for Carlton for many years to come
you tool, brad fisher is probably one of the best contested marks in the AFL for his size. Tall but lightweight but still manages to pull in some amazing pack marks. You obviously have no idea as he is a great contested mark.

jarrad waite again is a great contested mark and has a great leap, many players would love to have had the career he has had after just over 60 games. represented australia, national rising star nominee, brownlow votes, best first year player at carlton, he is travelling along very nicely and has just been interrupted by injuries a lot and it means he has struggled to string games together but he got many games in in 2005 and as a young player he was great. People overrate him too much and then tend to lay into him and it then has the effect of people saying hes no good. Face reality people, his career is moving along nicely, he has been injury interrupted, but what he has shown has been great and also what he has produced, i very much doubt he will be the superstar everyone wanted him to be, but he can still be a very very very good and dangerous player, just not that superstar. He is not really built to play CHF yet kicked a respectable 36 goals last year in the bottom side with a below par midfield, so he has done extremely well there at CHF. However his best position is basically as a third tall or a roaming athletic tall and fast utility to be used across the entire field. Expect big things as he gets more games and strings a season or two together, but not too big. People critizise him and its unfair as yeh of course you can critisize him for not being a superstar, but so what if hes not, hes still a very very good player and deep down i think everyone knows that, but we are frustrated with his injuries. Don't worry im sure he will get it together.

Josh Kennedy has had one season in AFl and been interrupted by injuries, again give him time. Has shown a lot to suggest he will be a decent CHF, which will in turn allow waite to play the position he is suited to instead of CHF. Remember whitnall is best suited to CHF and the sooner carlton's defence improves whitnall should be moved to CHF with kennedy also having time there to learn until big red's time is up allowing kennedy to take over. But if whitnall is moved there to CHF soon, kennedy should be a third tall and allow waite and fisher to move out and rotate amongst the forward line.

Eddie betts again has shown a lot to suggest he has an exciting career ahead of him. Enough said really, everyone knows the position he plays is a hard position to be a consistent player at, you have some off days but don't worry he is a very handy player who can produce some magic.

Carlton's forward line is very promising, yes it relies a lot on fevola but that's because whitnall is down back and waite, fisher, kennedy are all young and have been injured. I think carlton is really set for CHF and third and roaming tall options, but really they should look at moulding another backup full forward incase fevola goes down. If fisher or kennedy go down, waite can cover and vise versa so the third talls etc and the CHF are mainly covered in case of injury, but if fevola goes down there is a bit of trouble at full forward. yes waite covered well for him in the game fev was out in 2005 against hawthorn but he or anyone else can't kick 5 goals everytime playing full forward if it's not their best suited position.

The midfield at carlton is improving greatly and that will be the key to carlton's forward line producing more goals. Better delivery, and lot's more delivery will obviously result in more goals and if waite, fisher, fev, kennedy and whitnall can stay fit and healthy then carlton's forward line structure should start to work very well indeed.
 

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As stated, your midfielders kick many of the goals.

Carlton Forward line - Fev, Waite, Fish, Whitnall, Betts, Kennedy - 149
West Coast Forward line - Lynch, Hansen, Sampi, Hunter, Chick, Armstrong - 147
If thats our forward line ill eat my hat. Its more like

Lynch Hansen Cousins Embley Hunter Chick
 

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Cousins is a Midfielder, as is Embley.
Nope there half forward flankers. Cant believe so few people know this. Shows the lack of footy knowledge in Victoria. How the heck can a Vic team win a flag when they dont even know what position our teams best players play
 

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Nope there half forward flankers. Cant believe so few people know this. Shows the lack of footy knowledge in Victoria. How the heck can a Vic team win a flag when they dont even know what position our teams best players play
Shows how little you WA supporters know when it's claimed that Fisher can't take a contested mark.
 

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Shows how little you WA supporters know when it's claimed that Fisher can't take a contested mark.
Wow Carlton fans are unintelligent

Contested marks No. Pack marks where everyone else falls over and it magically falls into his hand hes ok at. Brad Fisher has never ever won a 1 on 1 contest before in his life. To be a key forward you have to be able to beat your opponent. Sitting in a pack and waiting for someone to knock your opponent out of the way and plucking a cheap mark is not something to build a career on
 

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Wow Carlton fans are unintelligent

Contested marks No. Pack marks where everyone else falls over and it magically falls into his hand hes ok at. Brad Fisher has never ever won a 1 on 1 contest before in his life. To be a key forward you have to be able to beat your opponent. Sitting in a pack and waiting for someone to knock your opponent out of the way and plucking a cheap mark is not something to build a career on
How old were you when your when your Mum and Dad told you they were Brother and Sister?
 

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Wow Carlton fans are unintelligent

Contested marks No. Pack marks where everyone else falls over and it magically falls into his hand hes ok at. Brad Fisher has never ever won a 1 on 1 contest before in his life. To be a key forward you have to be able to beat your opponent. Sitting in a pack and waiting for someone to knock your opponent out of the way and plucking a cheap mark is not something to build a career on
Please, stop posting for your own sake. No need to embarrass yourself further:eek: .
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_rankings?yr=2006&rt=LA&fc=E6
West Coast's most contested marks:
Brent Staker: 1.2 per game
Quinten Lynch: 1.1 per game

Brad Fisher: 1.0 per game
 

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How old were you when your when your Mum and Dad told you they were Brother and Sister?
To all those unintelligent people out there this is what we call changing the subject due to the fact I am clearly correct in my assessments. Brad Fisher will be delisted in 3 years time when Carlton realise that as a forward he isnt good at kicking goals or beating his opponent
 

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Nope there half forward flankers. Cant believe so few people know this. Shows the lack of footy knowledge in Victoria. How the heck can a Vic team win a flag when they dont even know what position our teams best players play
there - a place to go
they're - they are ;)

Cousins won a Brownlow on a HFF, yeh sure.
 

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To all those unintelligent people out there this is what we call changing the subject due to the fact I am clearly correct in my assessments. Brad Fisher will be delisted in 3 years time when Carlton realise that as a forward he isnt good at kicking goals or beating his opponent
Shows how good we will be in three years.
 

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Please, stop posting for your own sake. No need to embarrass yourself further:eek: .
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_rankings?yr=2006&rt=LA&fc=E6
West Coast's most contested marks:
Brent Staker: 1.2 per game
Quinten Lynch: 1.1 per game

Brad Fisher: 1.0 per game
Fisher 1 per game comes from the hardwork of Fevola and Whitnall knocking his opponent out of the way in order to take his cheap mark. How many 1 on 1 contests has he won. VERY few. People will realise this and make sure he is isolated 1 on 1. From then on in he will not even take uncontested marks never mind contested grabs and his career will be over. He is easier to figure out then a year 1 maths test. Fisher is a one trick pony. That trick is not a good one either
 

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I think it is hilariously funny that Brent Staker averages more contested marks per game than big Lynch
 

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I think it is hilariously funny that Brent Staker averages more contested marks per game than big Lynch
Staker led the league for contested marks for like 12 weeks of the season believe it or not. Lynch unlike most key forwards creates his own goals on the ground through hard work and a massive right foot. He doesnt wait for goals to be served up on a platter like Waite.
 

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Why are you comparing your CHF to Eagles backup who isnt even in the best 22. Anyway Staker wipes the floor with Waite in those stats which is just sad. Talk about clutching at straws. Eagles forward line isnt its strong point like Carltons but the one thing they do do is work hard. Something Carltons doesnt

Itd be like me comparing Chris Judd to your backup midfielder. Ummmm..... Who is your backup midfielders. Bannister :confused:
 

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Fisher is a HFF:rolleyes:

As is Waite

Staker played in the grand final?

Stevens, Scotland, Kouta, Simpson, Murphy, Gibbs, Blackwell is our midfield. Bannister won't play a game in '07.:thumbsu:
 

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Fisher 1 per game comes from the hardwork of Fevola and Whitnall knocking his opponent out of the way in order to take his cheap mark. How many 1 on 1 contests has he won. VERY few. People will realise this and make sure he is isolated 1 on 1. From then on in he will not even take uncontested marks never mind contested grabs and his career will be over. He is easier to figure out then a year 1 maths test. Fisher is a one trick pony. That trick is not a good one either
There you go again you nuff nuff

Whitnall doesn't even play forward anymore

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You have Dawson and Gilham as your fullbacks.

WCE's forwardline isn't worth putting out if it was on fire or worth it's weight in ******** without the Eagles midfield kicking to it. They wouldn't even crack a regular game ahead of Fisher, Waite, Fevola, Betts and Kennedy if they were at Carlton.

Staker, Lynch and Hansen aren't fit to lift their footy boots.
Bold part very true.

You west Coast cats amaze me! All you are going to do here is highlight that if not for your mid's, you would be languishing....you have a lot to thank the Melbournian C Judd for, all to thank him for actually.

How does that make you and your misplaced patriotism feel?

West Coast without Judd = middle of the road, nothing special.....
 
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