Carlton's list

[Kakkle]

Who have we "bought"?

And how is that any different to when you "buy" in players from other teams?

Dale Thomas.



It's different because clubs buy players for a specific need. See Goddard & Dal Santo.


Dale Thomas averages less then a goal a game and has offered no more then a handy depth player would.

 

[master bate]

Walker, Waite, Robinson. Others to be put up for trade for a bag of chips Lucas, Garlett, Armfield, Ellard, McLean.

I wouldn't use a top 30 pick on any of those 3. You might get a trade up from pick 40 to pick 25 or something like that for one of them.

Really I think you need to offer someone who might have more value. I'd start with Kreuzer.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

I'd trade Kruezer, Yarran and Garlett and hoepfully get three top 20 picks.

 

[Corrosion]

Would any West Coast fans be interested in Garlett?

 

[doppleganger]

Who have we "bought"?

And how is that any different to when you "buy" in players from other teams?

You bought MM.

To appease the masses, easier to pay extra for a name then back in a new bloke.

Any Carlton fan who thinks they ditched Ratten so Mick could take the club to bottom four and a rebuild is deluded.

 

[Freomaniac]

Watson is 29 and still has at least three years left with the likes of Heppell looking very much able to take over within that time.

Fletcher's been gone every year since 2009 and isn't even that important any more. Hooker and Hurley are our two KPD.

Stanton's 28 and would be fifth in line in our midfield behind Watson, Heppell, Goddard and Zaharakis.

No youth coming through? LOL. Heppell, Carlisle, Zach Merrett, Jackson Merrett, Marty Gleeson, Patrick Ambrose on top of Daniher and that's just our proven young talent off the top of my head.

Essendon's list is vastly superior to Carlton's.

Both of these blokes I highlighted I rate very well... I wouldnt mind your WA defenders in Hooker and Pears too.

Would any West Coast fans be interested in Garlett?

Yeah they would. They might pay over the odds for Quailty WA mids if it helps improve the club.

 

[James44]

Why did Carlton recruit Thomas?

He is 27 and it looks certain, he won't figure in Carlton's next flag attempt.

The only justification for Carlton recruiting him, is they believed they were closer to a flag than what they are.

 

[Gus Poyet]

You bought MM.

To appease the masses, easier to pay extra for a name then back in a new bloke.

Any Carlton fan who thinks they ditched Ratten so Mick could take the club to bottom four and a rebuild is deluded.

So you mean like how you bought MM in.

 

[Gus Poyet]

Why did Carlton recruit Thomas?

He is 27 and it looks certain, he won't figure in Carlton's next flag attempt.

The only justification for Carlton recruiting him, is they believed they were closer to a flag than what they are.

Why did you recruit Betts?

He won't figure in your next flag attempt.

 

[James44]

Why did you recruit Betts?

He won't figure in your next flag attempt.

Adelaide have lost draft picks in the last few years so there has been limited scope to bring in players.

FA is a method of gaining a player, when you have limited draft picks. Adelaide traded out Vince, gained a draft pick, which yielded a very good younger player and they were able to complement this by replacing Vince's lost experience with Betts.

Adelaide have a very young age demographic and landing a crumber to Walker is very good recruiting.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Why did Carlton recruit Thomas?

He is 27 and it looks certain, he won't figure in Carlton's next flag attempt.

The only justification for Carlton recruiting him, is they believed they were closer to a flag than what they are.

I don't even necessarily have a problem with Carlton recruiting someone with that age or a little older, the problem was that Thomas was basically the last type of player they needed.

 

[dazbroncos]

Give you high second late first for Tenzel. Seems he may want to examine his options...

Go Catters

 

[Freomaniac]

Give you high second late first for Tenzel. Seems he may want to examine his options...

Go Catters

Didnt you guys at Geelong thought it was a fair trade to give Menzel to the Crows for Patrick Dangerfield? Apparently the freo board wanted to get Harry Taylor from your mob and were willing to Part with Zac Dawson.

Go Catters!

 

[E Shed]

Insanity to suggest trading Yarran out. In their best 6 players.
He was a bit tentative early days before he got his confidence but he's a freaking jet now.
Bloody tough as well despite people hanging on the the myth that he's soft.
Takes the game on, goes hard, pace to burn and great reader of the play.
Has the potential to be as good as Burgoyne in his 25 to 30 years.

 

[dazbroncos]

Didnt you guys at Geelong thought it was a fair trade to give Menzel to the Crows for Patrick Dangerfield? Apparently the freo board wanted to get Harry Taylor from your mob and were willing to Part with Zac Dawson.

Go Catters!

You think Menzel as a pick 9 is worth more than a 16 after playing less than 20 games…..

He got 2 touches last game… 2

But you feel free to go ahead and pay more…

Go Catters

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

I don't even necessarily have a problem with Carlton recruiting someone with that age or a little older, the problem was that Thomas was basically the last type of player they needed.

agreed. even crameri would have been a much better option.

 

[JuddsABlue]

Why did Carlton recruit Thomas?

He is 27 and it looks certain, he won't figure in Carlton's next flag attempt.

The only justification for Carlton recruiting him, is they believed they were closer to a flag than what they are.

This has been established months ago, are you just touting that line as an attempt to subtle troll or just been living under a rock the last few months?

We had several semi finals appearances with no success, we felt we needed to do something different to take the next step. People easily forget Ratten was the laughing stock of the AFL coaches panel when he was with Carlton, the same jeers of "sign Brock again" we hear in this thread we were hearing about Ratten when we lost to the GC before we sacked him

I still think we have a score group of 8 players (bolded below) we could build a flag winning team around, looking something like this using our current list

B: _______ Jameson ______
HB: Yarren Rowe Buckley
C: Gibbs ________ ________
HF: Thomas Casboult Everitt
F: Garlett Henderson Menzel
R: Warnock Murphy Cripps

With players like Kruezer, Docherty, Johnson, Graham have some value somewhere, whether it be on the ground or on the trade table

The key inclusions needs to be two players to fit into the centre with Gibbs, one ball winner and one outside runner whos a good user

Another medium sized defender who can play a defensive role

The unbolded players are up for debate on whether theyre good enough, but I think they have the potential to be. If there are better options out there though I'd be happy to explore them

 

[doppleganger]

So you mean like how you bought MM in.

Yep.

Only slight difference being it was 15 years ago.

McGuire's first big move to rebuild the club both on-field and off.

Smart move to get a coach in their prime.

Carlton just threw cash at a washed up name.

Perhaps can go for Lethal next, he also coached Collingwood to a flag so seems to fit Carlton's recruiting pre-requisite.

 

[Freomaniac]

You think Menzel as a pick 9 is worth more than a 16 after playing less than 20 games…..

He got 2 touches last game… 2

But you feel free to go ahead and pay more…

Go Catters

you never know, he might have a few good games to bump up his trade value.

 

[Old Dark Blues]

Just two posts up you said it's "well known" that he wants out. Now you're telling us it is a "rumour".

Given you seem to be au fait with the situation at hand, it's somewhat surprising you seem to be sending different signals here. Which is it? Or can I put forward a 3rd and more likely scenario: "you are talking shit"?

Why can't it be a well known rumour - everyones talking about it ?

How is that talking shit ?

Did his two kicks on Sunday night suggest otherwise ?

You're the ONLY one who is calling it shit mate - and all of that because you can't handle criticism of Malthouse...??


No one could possibly suggest that Menzels performance on Sunday, given his capacity, is anywhere NEAR happy. Why start having a go at me because I'm saying things you don't like ? What do I have to do with your inability to view things with a balanced perspective ?

Why just come out swearing and attacking a poster ?

Almost all the Carlton posters on this thread agree that Malthouse has issues, there's barely a poster from any other club saying he's doing a bang up job - so maybe the suggestion that SOME POSTERS FROM CARLTON are not being remotely balanced in their judgement of Malthouse has some merit.


Heading for another wooden spoon would suggest he is not doing well. Lose to the Saints and we are spooning. How can you not even QUESTION that ?

 

[Bosun]

Give you high second late first for Tenzel. Seems he may want to examine his options...

Go Catters

Done!! Looking forward to your "high second late first" for Tenzel. I don't know anything about either the high second late first nor this Tenzel guy but it sounds complicated so it can only be good.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

up for trade for a bag of chips... Garlett

Why are some Blues fans so keen to throw Garlett out the door on the cheap?

This is the only bad year he's ever had, and it seems to be largely due to off-field issues.

Has insane speed, he's not injury prone... he kicked 43 goals last year ffs. Would rather we keep him than let him carve up the spaces of Subiaco every second week in exchange for a rubbish draft pick.

 

[thetradesman]

This has been established months ago, are you just touting that line as an attempt to subtle troll or just been living under a rock the last few months?

We had several semi finals appearances with no success, we felt we needed to do something different to take the next step. People easily forget Ratten was the laughing stock of the AFL coaches panel when he was with Carlton, the same jeers of "sign Brock again" we hear in this thread we were hearing about Ratten when we lost to the GC before we sacked him

I still think we have a score group of 8 players (bolded below) we could build a flag winning team around, looking something like this using our current list

B: _______ Jameson ______
HB: Yarren Rowe Buckley
C: Gibbs ________ ________
HF: Thomas Casboult Everitt
F: Garlett Henderson Menzel
R: Warnock Murphy Cripps

With players like Kruezer, Docherty, Johnson, Graham have some value somewhere, whether it be on the ground or on the trade table

The key inclusions needs to be two players to fit into the centre with Gibbs, one ball winner and one outside runner whos a good user

Another medium sized defender who can play a defensive role

The unbolded players are up for debate on whether theyre good enough, but I think they have the potential to be. If there are better options out there though I'd be happy to explore them

Casboult? Come on mate, smell the roses.

 

[JuddsABlue]

Casboult? Come on mate, smell the roses.

He could be one of the best contested marks in the competition, a trait thats rarely seen. Has the body to be a monster, just needs to improve (note that he already has improved leaps and bounds this season to be fairly reliable from a long distance) his kicking to an elite level and how could you not say hes a premier power forward?

Ideally he could lose some weight to gain more agility, but his output this year cant really be questioned can it? "Smell the roses" isnt really an argument is it? If he plays at the level he has the last month, hes easily top 5 power forwards in the competition.

 

[Gus Poyet]

Why are some Blues fans so keen to throw Garlett out the door on the cheap?

This is the only bad year he's ever had, and it seems to be largely due to off-field issues.

Has insane speed, he's not injury prone... he kicked 43 goals last year ffs. Would rather we keep him than let him carve up the spaces of Subiaco every second week in exchange for a rubbish draft pick.

We seem to have a list of players with issues. Lack of leadership qualities, inability to think while on the playing field and apparently off-field issues.

I'd risk giving those sorts of players up for the chance to recruit a few more with a brain and a ticker all in the one body.