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Given both the Switkowski report and ASADA interim report were fabricated/exaggerated to imply governance issues I'm left bewildered why some believe we currently have done wrong. Looking at it:
1. Governance issue is inconclusive as reports manipulated to portray this. Reading processes at club involved I dare say EFC governed their supplement use better than most clubs. Information sessions, strict protocols, consent forms...
2. No conclusive evidence of PEDs use.
3. No positive drug tests for PEDs.
 
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ASADA is farked but I'm not sure whether that will win us the case, as the question being asked is a very technical legal one unfortunately. If this was just a 'vibe' issue.. then we have it in the bag. Middleton was VISIBLY and CLEARLY distressed with some of AA's testimony and I believe he is strongly 'leaning' towards the fact that EFC have been screwed over. The question will be whether he feels he has the power to order relief.
I'm starting to suspect that winning the case was secondary to having specific information being made public during the process of determining the legality of the investigation.
 

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Given both the Switkowski report and ASADA interim report were fabricated/exaggerated to imply governance issues I'm left bewildered why some believe we currently have done wrong. Looking at it:
1. Governance issue is inconclusive as reports manipulated to portray this. Reading processes at club involved I dare say EFC governed their supplement use better than most clubs. Information sessions, strict protocols, consent forms...
2. No conclusive evidence of PEDs use.
3. No positive drug tests for PEDs.
Yeah.. that pretty much sums it up. In fact we seem to be in more trouble for actually HAVING oversight, governance and consent forms.. perhaps it would have been better to take the same approach as every club.. the three monkey approach.
 

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Given both the Switkowski report and ASADA interim report were fabricated/exaggerated to imply governance issues I'm left bewildered why some believe we currently have done wrong. Looking at it:
1. Governance issue is inconclusive as reports manipulated to portray this. Reading processes at club involved I dare say EFC governed their supplement use better than most clubs. Information sessions, strict protocols, consent forms...
2. No conclusive evidence of PEDs use.
3. No positive drug tests for PEDs.
Playing Devil's Advocate, we still can't say with 100% faith that ASADA don't have conclusive evidence. I agree that I think their case is very flimsy, but we can't be safe until it's truely over.
 

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I've been leaning towards Essendon and James being 'guilty' this whole saga (well highly critical of them), but I must say I'm leaning the other way now.

It could very well be the case that Essendon have been thrown under the bus by the AFL, to protect themselves and the other clubs.
It seems like the AFL may have intervened and stopped ASADA from investigating the other clubs.
I wonder why they were so eager to give out those punishments last year.
 

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Wow. What a day. Whilst you have a choice of laughing or crying.. it is a positive that some of this is coming to light. We can only hope that ONE of the major newspapers tries to report it accurately. Unfortunately I am just left with a sick feeling in my stomach that it will all be for nothing. This is the fight that needed to happen last August.. come hell or high water. Perhaps Andruski wouldn't have had time to 'forget' an entire year of her career back then.

No matter how you look at it, today was a major victory for the EFC. Hird was brilliant on the stand and doesn't deviate one inch. Most likely because he has the truth to refer to at all times. So much wrong has been done and this man just continues to front up and lead this club. If only those in power had listened to him last year. The truth shall set you free.

Andruski was cross-examined today, so she is done for the trial (and for any future senior positions). There weren't many questions for her, and I imagine Star was keen to get her off the stand as quickly as possible. One of the worst performances I have seen on a witness stand for a long, long time. The repeated use of "I can't recall" will save her from perjury charges, however Middleton made it pretty clear that everytime she 'didn't recall', he would take that to mean 'yes'.

I have been pretty vocal against the AFL and ASADA from the beginning but I have been shocked, truly shocked, to see the depths they sunk to in order to 'get' the EFC. Lies, deals, deceptions and more. Actually terrifying to consider what this means for doping investigations in this country.

I'm not sure why ASADA is still trying to claim it wasn't a 'joint' investigation.. it clearly was and Middleton has confirmed that he believes that "isn't in doubt" at least three times... seems stupid by ASADA/Andruski. Even weirder is the ASADA preference for the 'even if' defence.. today we had this gem "it wasn't a joint investigation but EVEN IF it was, then that would be legal".. or the "I never authorised the AFL to be in the room but EVEN IF they were, then that would be legal" or the "I never intended to give the interim report to the AFL but EVEN IF I did, then that is legal too" and so on and so on.

Too much to process right now but the bits I enjoyed the most:
AFL and ASADA DID CLEARLY know that the ACC were referring to Essendon. Vlad has now been CONFIRMED as a lying sack of shit by BOTH Hird and AA.
ASADA were looking into multiple clubs but stopped after AFL agreed to offer support if the scope was limited to JUST Essendon
ASADA were concerned about the AFL involvement, but really needed their powers to get around their own limitations so just went with it
ASADA lawyers didn't think the joint investigation was legal, but the CEO chose to follow the AFL legal advice that it was "ok"
ASADA investigators were concerned with releasing the Interim Report but AA was concerned about the AFL brand, so released it anyway
AA was just releasing the interim report for ASADA purposes, because apparently a memo wouldn't have been enough
AA didn't find it odd that large parts of the interim report were quoted verbatim in the AFL charge sheet
AA doesn't recall most of her life from late 2011 to early 2014
AA can take copious notes, but doesn't recall what her own words mean
AA delegated all responsibility for everything to other people
AA confirms the government and AFL were heavily involved in the process from day 1 which is "HIGHLY UNUSUAL"

ASADA is farked but I'm not sure whether that will win us the case, as the question being asked is a very technical legal one unfortunately. If this was just a 'vibe' issue.. then we have it in the bag. Middleton was VISIBLY and CLEARLY distressed with some of AA's testimony and I believe he is strongly 'leaning' towards the fact that EFC have been screwed over. The question will be whether he feels he has the power to order relief.

FACT: If ASADA is stupid enough to pursue the players, they will get destroyed either at the ADRVP or on appeal.

Good stuff Rines, as I was posting tweets of proceedings here this arvo I just got angrier & angrier at the answers AA was delivering.

'I cant recall' - ASADA's new catch cry:oops::drunk:.
 

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Andruska's salary for the final year at ASADA..............$393000

Yep that's right folks. And she "can't recall anything"
Yet we have had long enough to generate 1000 pages of discussion twice while she carried on making over $1000 a day to forget everything. Just wow.
 

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Playing Devil's Advocate, we still can't say with 100% faith that ASADA don't have conclusive evidence. I agree that I think their case is very flimsy, but we can't be safe until it's truely over.
Playing Devil's Advocate ... if ASADA proceeds with the SCNs, the first of our players should write a response in Microsoft Word of "I can't recall". It should then be cut and pasted as a reply for each of our other 33 players as well.
 
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