No Opposition Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

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So you are telling me that we should bow to the AFL's wishes despite:-

i) The players want Hird
ii) The majority of the members want Hird
iii) The AFL had their chance to remove Hird in 2013, but instead suspended him and then publicly announced that he would be "welcomed back" after his suspension was served.

The AFL might not like Hird, but if they want to remove him they should do it themselves and that is it. Otherwise the AFL should NOT influence our own decision making process more so than the existing playing group and the members.
The AFL subtly not allowing someone into the fold is akin to a indefinite suspension - I dont ever remember the AFL welcoming Hird back into the fold - Gil has been asked on more than one occasion and has said no comment.

I doubt that a majority of members support Hird - And its the board that makes appointments.
 

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No surprise behind the Capmbell story - But let the club and its individuals burn to protect Hird.
I actually don't think it was Hird..

I think we are just starting to see some of the 'lessor' stories get a run now.. and who knows if it a Thompson supporter leaking to make Hird look bad.. or to put pressure on Campbell.. heck we have no idea..

Seems the club has more than one leak.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Hird who leaked the 'Hird has been sacked' story...
 

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I actually don't think it was Hird..

I think we are just starting to see some of the 'lessor' stories get a run now.. and who knows if it a Thompson supporter leaking to make Hird look bad.. or to put pressure on Campbell.. heck we have no idea..

Seems the club has more than one leak.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Hird who leaked the 'Hird has been sacked' story...
I have no doubt it was the AFL - But the pressure is unrelenting.
 

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I am yet to be convinced that ASADA will or can action the SCN's, whist there is an an appeal to the Federal Court.
Well I think we need to wait until Thursday.. to see when the appeal would be heard..

However it doesn't really count for much..

ASADA issued Dank a SCN notice in JUNE.. he is still waiting for his ADRVP.

There is absolutely NOTHING to suggest that ASADA is in a hurry.. they are probably grateful for the appeal.. gives them longer to try and wrangle a 'deal' out of one of the players...

ASADA don't actually need to re-issue the show cause notices either by the way.. in legal terms. They could be proceeding right now if they truly wanted to.. but they don't seem in a hurry to get this in front of a tribunal...
 

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I have no doubt it was the AFL - But the pressure is unrelenting.
Sorry I thought you were indicating you believed Hird leaked the 'Campbell' story..

Anyway it doesn't matter.. you are correct.. it is unrelenting.. and I think it is actually uncontrollable now.. it is a self sustaining shit storm.. no half ass decision.. will solve it..

Deals won't solve it.. 'exit strategy sacking plans' won't solve it.. Thompson won't solve it.. Hird won't solve it.. the AFL won't solve it..

Players continuing to tune it out is the only way... make it a non issue.
 

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NOthing to say about Caro's latest Ogg Cat?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-still-pointing-fingers-20141003-10q4pf.html

Still think Thompson will be universally loved and admired once Caro fires up??

We know that Hird can handle the heat.. can Bomber?? I wonder if we would even be having this conversation if she had been writing these kinds of articles all year..

How long before Thompson has a 'cult'...? How long before she starts in on Thompsons previous relationship with Robinson.. and by association Dank??

I wonder how many articles Caro will need to write before Thompson feels 'burnt out'... and leaves..

As I said on Wednesday..and many many times over the past 15 months.. a lot of people owe Hird a HUGE thank you.. for taking all the spotlight.. and all that womans rage.. day after day after day..

My first concern after hearing the news Wednesday (and I posted as such) was "who does she go after next"... and it seems she has given us a glimpse.
 

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Well I think we need to wait until Thursday.. to see when the appeal would be heard..

However it doesn't really count for much..

ASADA issued Dank a SCN notice in JUNE.. he is still waiting for his ADRVP.

There is absolutely NOTHING to suggest that ASADA is in a hurry.. they are probably grateful for the appeal.. gives them longer to try and wrangle a 'deal' out of one of the players...

ASADA don't actually need to re-issue the show cause notices either by the way.. in legal terms. They could be proceeding right now if they truly wanted to.. but they don't seem in a hurry to get this in front of a tribunal...
You are cleverly sidestepping my question - ASADA's legal advice could be that they put the Show Cause notices on hold till the result of the Federal Court Appeal - It doesn't make sense to offer deals etc, in the off-chance that Hird succeeds - Where would that leave ASADA ? - I suggest that could leave ASADA in a world of pain - And then if Hird's Federal Court appeal fails the players have to go through the process and they could be forced to miss chunks of the season.

There is no valid reason for Hird to appeal to the Federal Court - Then again his house is run by loonies.
 

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You are cleverly sidestepping my question - ASADA's legal advice could be that they put the Show Cause notices on hold till the result of the Federal Court Appeal - It doesn't make sense to offer deals etc, in the off-chance that Hird succeeds - Where would that leave ASADA ? - I suggest that could leave ASADA in a world of pain - And then if Hird's Federal Court appeal fails the players have to go through the process and they could be forced to miss chunks of the season.

There is no valid reason for Hird to appeal to the Federal Court - Then again his house is run by loonies.
IMO, the only way this will end early is if the players take a deal. There is still a long way to go if they fight.

So if they are fighting, back Hird
 

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Am I the only one who is more concerned with the methods and tactics used to investigate what transpired at Essendon in 2012, rather than, y'know, what actually transpired at Essendon in 2012?? As this has gotten so far away from simply finding out what was in some vials and their related paperwork.

See AOD-9604
 

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Am I the only one who is more concerned with the methods and tactics used to investigate what transpired at Essendon in 2012, rather than, y'know, what actually transpired at Essendon in 2012?? As this has gotten so far away from simply finding out what was in some vials and their related paperwork.

See AOD-9604
both are a concern but we need to face up to the allegations about what we did administer at some stage. If not we will be known as cheats forever, whether we were or not
 

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You are cleverly sidestepping my question - ASADA's legal advice could be that they put the Show Cause notices on hold till the result of the Federal Court Appeal - It doesn't make sense to offer deals etc, in the off-chance that Hird succeeds - Where would that leave ASADA ? - I suggest that could leave ASADA in a world of pain - And then if Hird's Federal Court appeal fails the players have to go through the process and they could be forced to miss chunks of the season.

There is no valid reason for Hird to appeal to the Federal Court - Then again his house is run by loonies.
they offered a deal or deals whilst we were going to the federal court didnt they?

why would they change now? As hutchy says, they have form, they will throw out deals.

As I posted earlier in the thread - refer to the cases and judgements of the relevent CAS appeals - contrary to popluar media belief, the hurdle ASADA has to jump is actually fairly high, in fact Id say its very high - that is precedent law.

If a cyclist can have empty viles of a banned drug and labelled as such all through his apartment, and still not satisfy as a finding of fact he even had possession of the drug - I have no idea what ASADA has in this case which is even close to getting up for a start.

Your question re the reason for Hird appealing is a good one - I simply rationalise it as it is his honest belief tha what ASADA did was unlawful and wrong, and he standing up for what he truly believes in.

Im not sure anyone else in this whole saga has acted as per their honest beliefs, but rather bowed to the 'pressure' around them. That includes Vlad, Little, Gillon, Asada, the AFl commish and the EFC board etc. Maybe Hird is just naive, I dunno.
 

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Who gives a **** if it's an AFL leak or a Hird leak or whoever ******* leaked it.

Coaches giving out drugs to officials who happily inject it. What the **** was happening at our football club?
Dean Robinson supplied the vial/s maybe ask him over a protein shake.
 
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