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Tim Watson has been a rock throughout this saga and a barometer for those of us not close enough to the action to see all of the wood from the trees. I take a lot of notice when he speaks and to what he is saying.
 

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What medication people take is none of our business so long as they are not breaking the law.
what people do to themselves is their business of course, as long as they arent harming others. However behaviour like that described is not what id expect from the leaders of a multimillion dollar organisation
 

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what people do to themselves is their business of course, as long as they arent harming others. However behaviour like that described is not what id expect from the leaders of a multimillion dollar organisation
I'm tipping you haven't seen the movie wolf of wall street
 

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My fear with the current state of play, is that if Hird decides not to proceed with this appeal, then it has allowed those who have acted inappropriately and dishonestly to get away with it. It sets a dangerous precedent for anyone who passes ASADA's and the AFL's path again.
Hird standing up now, is alot more then about the legal wranglings, but about some core values that alot of us humans should live our life by. Intergrity, honesty, strength of resolve and determination no matter how hard the situation is to persist and never give in. This, will translate and influence the entire club for generations to come.
If he concedes defeat now, and we start with a so called clean slate in 2015, knowing that injustices was accepted by all involved at Essendon, well the club will have lost all that it has gained over its entire history. How can any player then look to Hird or the next coach and want to bleed in that last quarter to help out a fellow team mate?

Even the mistakes that Hird and co that made in 2012 are lessons learnt. The trick to making mistakes is learning from them and I think the club, at a club level and at an individual level have learnt these lessons. The club surely has been punished by the AFL and here they come again. Its bullshit it has come to this but it has.
Remember it is better to die with your boots on, so the club needs to find the resolve to stand up next to Hird and to continue this fight!!!!

You just cannot allow an injustice to be swept under a carpet. let alone multiple ones.

I expect Hird to continue this appeal, I expect the board to decide to appeal, I expect the players to want to appeal and I expect the supporters to understand and agree to this appeal.
 

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I'm tipping you haven't seen the movie wolf of wall street
i hope youre not suggesting the behaviour seen in that movie is acceptable. look, if people want to risk their health by using drugs with potential side affects they don't understand thats their issue. But its far from intelligent behaviour, and not what id expect from the sort of strong and stable leadership i want at my club
 
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Husband listening to f'n Mark Fine last night. He was joined by Stephen J Peake.
Fine on his little Hird rant when Peake said that Hird would have been advised on his chances prior to lodging an appeal and that we should never underestimate the intelligence of James Hird. He actually defended Hird's rights in this matter which left Finey's voice getting higher and higher. Peake did not let Fine speak over him and is really quite balanced. He also made comments about how obsessed the media was in bringing about the downfall of Hird and it is the medias influence which has led to so much negativity towards Hird.
I did turn the radio off when some tool professing himself to be in the legal profession from Sydney said that Hird is guilty because the head coach knows everything that goes on in a football club.
Peake challenged this bloke on making assumptions so it was actually a good listen.
Btw turned the radio off as I kept laughing at the tool from Sydney and his bizarre comments and the husband was getting shitty.
On an aside after listening to Fine I am of the opinion one should never make a drinking game out of how many times he mentions Hird in any diatribe.
 

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I thought the players were all against Hird appealing?
Impression is they would maybe prefer the didn't, but support him too if he chooses to go th rough with it.

Case of the media slanting something to suit to meed an agenda.
 

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Impression is they would maybe prefer the didn't, but support him too if he chooses to go th rough with it.

Case of the media slanting something to suit to meed an agenda.
We don't even really know the player's preference if all we have is media reports to go on. This is the only opinion I've seen from any player, and it backs Hird in his right to appeal. How do we know the other players don't feel the same way?
 

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Goddard is as likely as any of the players to have a pro-appeal stance, given that he wasn't at Essendon in 2012 and doesn't have a SCN hanging over his head.
... which, even if true, is largely irrelevant to the current discussion.

Carowhine specifically identified Goddard as one of two players who supposedly led the players' demands for Hird to not embark on the appeal, did she not?

Goddard's (re)tweet today would suggest that's yet another piece of false reporting from Fairfax.
 

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Goddard is as likely as any of the players to have a pro-appeal stance, given that he wasn't at Essendon in 2012 and doesn't have a SCN hanging over his head.
True. though Goddard was one of the plays the media said asked Hird not to appeal, too.
 

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... which, even if true, is largely irrelevant to the current discussion.

Carowhine specifically identified Goddard as one of two players who supposedly led the players' demands for Hird to not embark on the appeal, did she not?

Goddard's (re)tweet today would suggest that's yet another piece of false reporting from Fairfax.
Moral of the story: stop reading articles from Caro/Fairfax
 
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This was in my YouTube recommended. Forgot that he made this speech.
It was only a month into the investigation when it was made and now, almost 2 years on, our club still stays true to his words.
Go dons! still resilient!

 

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Moral of the story: stop reading articles from Caro/Fairfax
Not sure if that's meant to be a personal shot at me?! In which case, please address your complaints to those who have fallen for the media-driven 'Hird is evil' b/s rather than me.

I couldn't give a toss what most of the media thinks, and can assure you I largely don't read her anti-Essendon trash and haven't for most of the last 30 years.

All I did was type her name and BJ's into Google ... and voila. Says it all, really.

But the point remains - the idea that BJ (let alone other players) is demanding that Hird abandon his appeal seems, yet again, to be complete and utter b/s.
 

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Hirds fight is not going end after this appeal, even if he wins, which he won't.

He's going to war with all those who lined him up last year.

He cannot do this as Essendon coach - how can he seriously not have learned this from last August?
I'm getting the feeling he will now focus on clearing his name as best he can. And good on him. While he isn't devoid of responsibility in this saga, he's been suspended for his role and the relentless attack on his character hasn't stopped. Wish him all the best.

He's a smart and pragmatic individual. He will realise how long this fight will take and that he can't do that and coach us next year.
If he was going to coach next year, it would have come out unequivocally on Thursday.

I just hope he is welcomed back at the club from day 1. He is not the enemy here. Nor is ASADA to be honest. Those who have continually stoked the fires of this in the public eye are.
 

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Not sure if that's meant to be a personal shot at me?! In which case, please address your complaints to those who have fallen for the media-driven 'Hird is evil' b/s rather than me.

I couldn't give a toss what most of the media thinks, and can assure you I largely don't read her anti-Essendon trash and haven't for most of the last 30 years.

All I did was type her name and BJ's into Google ... and voila. Says it all, really.

But the point remains - the idea that BJ (let alone other players) is demanding that Hird abandon his appeal seems, yet again, to be complete and utter b/s.
Didn't interpret that as a shot at you, rather just a comment about Fairfax/Caro in general.
 

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Not sure if that's meant to be a personal shot at me?! In which case, please address your complaints to those who have fallen for the media-driven 'Hird is evil' b/s rather than me.

I couldn't give a toss what most of the media thinks, and can assure you I largely don't read her anti-Essendon trash and haven't for most of the last 30 years.

All I did was type her name and BJ's into Google ... and voila. Says it all, really.

But the point remains - the idea that BJ (let alone other players) is demanding that Hird abandon his appeal seems, yet again, to be complete and utter b/s.
Certainly not a shot at you (or anyone else), sorry if it came across that. As Doss said, just some general advice.
People on here always seem to be getting riled up by what's in the paper or on one of the talking-heads shows, just ignore them. They don;t do anything to enhance the footballing experience and you can get useful news (such as trades, training reports etc) from sites such as this one without the heart/head ache.
 

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Not sure if that's meant to be a personal shot at me?! In which case, please address your complaints to those who have fallen for the media-driven 'Hird is evil' b/s rather than me.

I couldn't give a toss what most of the media thinks, and can assure you I largely don't read her anti-Essendon trash and haven't for most of the last 30 years.

All I did was type her name and BJ's into Google ... and voila. Says it all, really.

But the point remains - the idea that BJ (let alone other players) is demanding that Hird abandon his appeal seems, yet again, to be complete and utter b/s.
You typed Caro and BJ into google - are you mad, man?
 

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Certainly not a shot at you (or anyone else), sorry if it came across that. As Doss said, just some general advice.
People on here always seem to be getting riled up by what's in the paper or on one of the talking-heads shows, just ignore them. They don;t do anything to enhance the footballing experience and you can get useful news (such as trades, training reports etc) from sites such as this one without the heart/head ache.
Thanks mike14 - and no worries. And yep, I totally agree with you.

It is so bitterly disappointing that some of our supporters (and apparently some people in senior positions at the club) have so easily been swayed by the media.

Take a step back for a minute ... and the simple reality is there's STILL no concrete evidence let alone a smoking gun (even after 18 months) that says that James Hird has done anything wrong. The claim that he has done so has been driven entirely by campaigners in the media (and the AFL) who shouldn't even be given the time of day in most cases.
 
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