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ASADA would have pored over every email and text hoping to find some reference to Essendon. The fact that it isn't there says a lot. Our lawyers at the tribunal should stress this.
It was a paper receipt (trail) that led the ACC to EFC. Up until then the investigation was initiated to look in illegal activities of bikies and bikie gangs. It was pure fluke the ACC stumbled across what they did.
 

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I firmly felt at the time, and still do, that ASADA have not collected a heap of 'new' evidence.. they are merely pursuing a weak case as it is better than being seen to be doing nothing.

If the reports are correct and ASADA have recorded answers like "yeah maybe, that sounds familiar" as 'positive response' then it is highly likely the case falls over. I am surprised the players weren't more circumspect with their answers, and I think that falls into why we took the legal action we did.

Really the players should have been more prepared to deflect answers and ensure there was no ambiguity. I would also imagine that is why ASADA has not been keen to give them second interviews. I suspect that by the time it makes a tribunal, the players answers will be more like "no, at no time was I give TB4". Going to be very hard for ASADA to prove otherwise.

That is why I would be interested to see if it makes it through an ADRVP.. as I would imagine that most responses to the SCN are going to be very clear cut "I did not receive TB4" and thus ASADA may struggle to prove that last part (as Lance explained) to 'beyond comfortable satisfaction'.

Remembering that the ONLY burden of proof required to issue a SCN (which is all ASADA have done thus far) is "doping may have, potentially, maybe, possibly occurred"

So SCN, in a case without a positive test, does not = automatic ROF.
My take is that the AFL/AFLPA/ASADA telling players that they would be OK,led to players not being circumspect enough with their interviews - For this I hold the AFL accountable.

And ultimately the AFL is the key determinant - They do an NRL ( stand down players ) and the players will run for deals.
 

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If SC is issued, is their is time limit that a RoF entry must be made in?

I want to see if McDonut has brass balls like J Hird and pushes for RoF entry before federal court appeal. He may end up with 34 athletes suing for RoF entry made from an unlawful investigation.
This is why I am suprised that ASADA is re-issuing the SC's before the completion of the Federal Court. Especially when the next Fed Court hearing is November 10 and there may be no decision on the appeal this year. And this is another reason why i don't understand Hird's appeal.
 
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This post is another in the delusional thread - One game or two years is the same - Club will have a clause in his contract.
What if the players still want to keep him?

imo the players still hold the belief that the club and Hirdy did nothing wrong and it's all Danks fault.
 

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What if the players still want to keep him?

imo the players still hold the belief that the club and Hirdy did nothing wrong and it's all Danks fault.
A clause in the contract will over-ride everything - And if the players still want Hird after they are suspended, then say are more stupid, then I can ever imagine.
 
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-says-showcause-notices-wont-be-rushed-20141013-115e07.html

The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority appears determined to ensure its evidence against the 34 Essendon players is bullet proof, declaring it won't be rushed into re-issuing show-cause notices.

While the anti-doping body said on Monday its intention was to "fast-track" the distribution of the show-cause notices, its primary objective remained "thoroughness".

This is just mind boggling.

ASADA won't rush to reissue SCN's because they want to ensure their evidence is bullet proof & their primary objective is thoroughness.

So the evidence for the original SCN'S that were issued wasn't bullet proof, & their primary objective wasn't thoroughness?

Sounds like ASADA didn't have faith in the evidence collected & their primary objective was to go fishing for deals.

Deals would have resulted in ASADA not having to provide any of the so called bullet proof evidence, how convenient.
 

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While the anti-doping body said on Monday its intention was to "fast-track" the distribution of the show-cause notices, its primary objective remained "thoroughness".

This is just mind boggling.

Sounds like ASADA didn't have faith in the evidence collected & their primary objective was to go fishing for deals.
This is why I am so wary of "splintering" amongst the players. One dodgy deal to fast track a resolution will cast a pall on all the other players determination to plead innocent of any breach of the ASADA/WADA code(s).

50+ pages of individualised "evidence" in an amended SCN would have to be intimidating. I'm hoping like hell the players recognize the "overkill" aspect of ASADA's newest gambit, and stick to their guns.

Make ASADA prove you were tainted, don't give them the gun and the ammo in the hope of quick relief. Let ASADA show the public the value for $$$'s invested - by making them present their iron-clad case.
 

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A clause in the contract will over-ride everything - And if the players still want Hird after they are suspended, then say are more stupid, then I can ever imagine.
How about we just cross that bridge if we come to it.

At some stage (now) we have to move forward and set our path around what is our current situation.

Leave the it's buts and maybes to the "media" and the sanctimonious on the HTB.
 

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A clause in the contract will over-ride everything - And if the players still want Hird after they are suspended, then say are more stupid, then I can ever imagine.
Wow...so if the players want Hird as coach even if they accept a deal to get this over with they are stupid? I get that you think Hird should go if a player misses a game (yes i know you do there are about 10 posts in the last 3 pages from you stating it, no need ot repeat it) but you cant honestly think you are in any position to call them stupid when you know two fifths of f**** all about what happens between the players and him?
If they support him they have a reason too and since its their lives/careers you calling them stupid for possibly wanting a say in who is their coach is utterly ridiculous.
 

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Maybe ASADA are simply stalling to try to increase pressure on the players to take deals ?
This x 10000

How funny that again we are facing 'delays'.. how much farking time do they need to make something 'bulletproof' that should have been 'bulletproof' before they issued the first lot of SCN's in June ffs!

I have no doubt they are making sure this is delayed to just before the start of next season.. so ensure the pressure for deals is ramped up because no player wants to be 'provisionally suspended' pending a tribunal.

Dirty tactics by a corrupt and filthy organisation. Disgusting at every level.

I would suggest that if you haven't found 'bulletproof' evidence in 18 months.. there isn't a lot out there you arseclowns.
 

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ASADA’s star witness won’t play ball on Essendon allegations

THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is yet to convince its star witness, peptide importer Shane Charter, to provide testimony against 34 current and former Essendon players accused of taking a banned substance.

The Australian understands discussions are continuing between Mr Charter and ASADA, which has agreed to fast-track its anti-doping proceedings against the 34 AFL players following a request from their lawyers for a speedy resolution to the supplements saga.

Mr Charter is ASADA’s most important witness. Its circumstantial case that Thymosin Beta-4, a banned peptide, was administered to Essendon players during the 2012 season relies heavily on documents, emails and text messages provided by Mr Charter to ASADA investigators last year.

In May, detectives arrested Mr Charter and questioned him about drug-related allegations. They also executed search warrants at his Sunbury home, north of Melbourne, and seized computers and documents.



The 45-year-old, self-styled anti-ageing expert was released without charge. He has since had no access to any of the documents on which his previous evidence to ASADA is based.

Without access to files held by police or ASADA, Mr Charter may be unwilling to testify and expose himself to cross-examination by lawyers for the current and former Essendon players. He has asked ASADA to provide him with a brief of the evidence before he agrees to testify.

Police sources yesterday confirmed that computers seized from Mr Charter were still awaiting analysis.

A senior ASADA source expressed confidence that Mr Charter would testify.

Lawyers for the players are eager to question him about peptides he imported from China in December 2011 and whether he provided others to Melbourne compounding pharmacist Nima Alavi.

ASADA’s case is that raw materials for Thymosin Beta-4 imported by Mr Charter from a large Chinese peptide manufacturer were compounded by Mr Alavi and provided to Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank.

Chip Le Grand ‏@Melbchief 51m51 minutes ago
Headline not quite right. Charter probably will testify but intriguing that ASADA hasn't locked in its key witness.
 

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ASADA’s star witness won’t play ball on Essendon allegations

THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is yet to convince its star witness, peptide importer Shane Charter, to provide testimony against 34 current and former Essendon players accused of taking a banned substance.
Lols.. if this wasn't so farking serious it would make a great comedy sketch.

So let me get this straight. ASADA's case now has:
Charters - SUPPLIER. Claims he sourced TB4 ingredients on behalf of Dank, along with other items, but does not know if they were for EFC or another purpose. Also has stated numerous times in the media that he doesn't believe the EFC players were given anything banned. Apparently is reluctant to testify.

Hooper - HYPERBARIC CLINIC. ASADA have suggested that TB4 injections may have been done at his premise. Hooper has denied such claims and provided records of what was administered at his premise. Hooper has declined to assist ASADA and refuses to testify.

Dank - DESIGNER. Has not been officially interviewed. Claims that TB4 was never sourced for EFC Players and instead Thymomodulin was used. Has repeatedly claimed that the program did not breach WADA code. Has not agreed to assist ASADA in any way and has vowed to fight to defend his program.

Alavi - CHEMIST. Agrees that some vials marked 'Thymosin' were delivered to his premise. Denies making compound TB4. Denies supplying TB4 to EFC. Claims that Dank picked up the vials marked 'Thymosin' and later claimed they were destroyed. Originally did supply the club with an invoice for the vials, however reversed that invoice BEFORE the ASADA investigation, after realising the product was never meant, nor arrived, at EFC. Alavi is apparently in the same boat as Charters, reluctant to testify and claims that nothing he compounded for Dank directly for EFC breached WADA code.

Wow.. that is sure blowing me away. Bulletproof right there. For sure.

Heck it appears they haven't had a SINGLE person actually be prepared to state that TB4 was prepared, let alone given to players. This is a disgrace.
 

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Lols.. if this wasn't so farking serious it would make a great comedy sketch.

So let me get this straight. ASADA's case now has:
Charters - SUPPLIER. Claims he sourced TB4 ingredients on behalf of Dank, along with other items, but does not know if they were for EFC or another purpose. Also has stated numerous times in the media that he doesn't believe the EFC players were given anything banned. Apparently is reluctant to testify.

Hooper - HYPERBARIC CLINIC. ASADA have suggested that TB4 injections may have been done at his premise. Hooper has denied such claims and provided records of what was administered at his premise. Hooper has declined to assist ASADA and refuses to testify.

Dank - DESIGNER. Has not been officially interviewed. Claims that TB4 was never sourced for EFC Players and instead Thymomodulin was used. Has repeatedly claimed that the program did not breach WADA code. Has not agreed to assist ASADA in any way and has vowed to fight to defend his program.

Alavi - CHEMIST. Agrees that some vials marked 'Thymosin' were delivered to his premise. Denies making compound TB4. Denies supplying TB4 to EFC. Claims that Dank picked up the vials marked 'Thymosin' and later claimed they were destroyed. Originally did supply the club with an invoice for the vials, however reversed that invoice BEFORE the ASADA investigation, after realising the product was never meant, nor arrived, at EFC. Alavi is apparently in the same boat as Charters, reluctant to testify and claims that nothing he compounded for Dank directly for EFC breached WADA code.

Wow.. that is sure blowing me away. Bulletproof right there. For sure.

Heck it appears they haven't had a SINGLE person actually be prepared to state that TB4 was prepared, let alone given to players. This is a disgrace.

well no wonder they need more time to shore up/bullet proof their case:drunk:
 
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ASADA’s star witness won’t play ball on Essendon allegations

THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is yet to convince its star witness, peptide importer Shane Charter, to provide testimony against 34 current and former Essendon players accused of taking a banned substance.




Chip Le Grand ‏@Melbchief 51m51 minutes ago
Headline not quite right. Charter probably will testify but intriguing that ASADA hasn't locked in its key witness.
is this real life?
 

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**** sake.

And we get called incompetent. **** these campaigners, time for these jokes to front up or we start threatening law suits. If after 2 ******* years they are still trying to convince someone to be a witness then they can go **** themselves. They have ******* nothing, they know it, we know it.

So ******* angry with this news.
 

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Another unanswered factor is the use of thymomodulin at Melbourne Footu club. Dank must have sourced, procured and possessed the stuff because the Dees version of events have been accepted. The claims from ASADA that there is no purchase trail for thymomodulin highlights that they are either/both full of shit and/or actually have NFI.
 
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